D&C 88 is my text for this post. It is not my intention to expound the entire section, only to bring to the reader’s attention one very significant theological point that I feel the LDS are generally overlooking: the emphasis on PLANETS. As a help, I will put in bold all the references to planets.
The first sentence of section 88—The First Key/Clue of Understanding
Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you who have assembled yourselves together to receive his will concerning you: Behold, this is pleasing unto your Lord, and the angels rejoice over you; the alms of your prayers have come up into the ears of the Lord of Sabaoth, and are recorded in the book of the names of the sanctified, even them of the celestial world. (D&C 88: 1-2)
This is the first indication that the Lord is going to start talking of planets, or, as He puts it here, worlds. The terms world, planet, kingdom and thing, the Lord will explain in this section, are all synonymous.
Third sentence of section 88—The Second Key/Clue of Understanding
This Comforter is the promise which I give unto you of eternal life, even the glory of the celestial kingdom; which glory is that of the church of the Firstborn, even of God, the holiest of all, through Jesus Christ his Son—he that ascended up on high, as also he descended below all things, in that he comprehended all things, that he might be in all and through all things, the light of truth; which truth shineth. (D&C 88: 4-7)
Here we have the Lord using the second designation of the celestial world, calling it the celestial kingdom. He also starts talking about things. Later on He will teach us that the things He is referring to are planets or worlds. I will explain the reason for bolding God later.
The fourth sentence of section 88
This is the light of Christ. (D&C 88: 7)
This is referring to the ether which fills space. (I won’t get into this as it is not the topic of this post.)
The fifth sentence
As also he is in the sun, and the light of the sun, and the power thereof by which it was made. (D&C 88: 7)
The sun is one of the planet/world/kingdom things this section talks about.
The sixth sentence
As also he is in the moon, and is the light of the moon, and the power thereof by which it was made; as also the light of the stars, and the power thereof by which they were made; and the earth also, and the power thereof, even the earth upon which you stand. (D&C 88: 8-10)
The moon, stars and earth are some of the the planet/world/kingdom things this section talks about.
The seventh sentence
And the light which shineth, which giveth you light, is through him who enlighteneth your eyes, which is the same light that quickeneth your understandings; which light proceedeth forth from the presence of God to fill the immensity of space—the light which is in all things, which giveth life to all things, which is the law by which all things are governed, even the power of God who sitteth upon his throne, who is in the bosom of eternity, who is in the midst of all things. (D&C 88: 11-13)
Keep in mind that the things are planets, which will be explained later. Also God will be explained later.
The 11th sentence
And the redemption of the soul is through him that quickeneth all things, in whose bosom it is decreed that the poor and the meek of the earth shall inherit it. (D&C 88: 17)
The 12th sentence
Therefore, it must needs be sanctified from all unrighteousness, that it may be prepared for the celestial glory; for after it hath filled the measure of its creation, it shall be crowned with glory, even with the presence of God the Father; that bodies who are of the celestial kingdom may possess it forever and ever; for, for this intent was it made and created, and for this intent are they sanctified. (D&C 88: 20)
The 13th sentence
And they who are not sanctified through the law which I have given unto you, even the law of Christ, must inherit another kingdom, even that of a terrestrial kingdom, or that of a telestial kingdom. (D&C 88: 21)
The 14th sentence
For he who is not able to abide the law of a celestial kingdom cannot abide a celestial glory. (D&C 88: 22)
The 15th sentence
And he who cannot abide the law of a terrestrial kingdom cannot abide a terrestrial glory. (D&C 88: 23)
The 16th sentence
And he who cannot abide the law of a telestial kingdom cannot abide a telestial glory; therefore he is not meet for a kingdom of glory. (D&C 88: 24)
The 17th sentence
Therefore he must abide a kingdom which is not a kingdom of glory. (D&C 88: 24)
The 18th sentence
And again, verily I say unto you, the earth abideth the law of a celestial kingdom, for it filleth the measure of its creation, and transgresseth not the law—wherefore, it shall be sanctified; yea, notwithstanding it shall die, it shall be quickened again, and shall abide the power by which it is quickened, and the righteous shall inherit it. (D&C 88: 25-26)
The 30th sentence
All kingdoms have a law given; and there are many kingdoms; for there is no space in the which there is no kingdom; and there is no kingdom in which there is no space, either a greater or a lesser kingdom. (D&C 88: 36-37)
The 31st sentence
And unto every kingdom is given a law; and unto every law there are certain bounds also and conditions. (D&C 88: 38)
The 33rd sentence
For intelligence cleaveth unto intelligence; wisdom receiveth wisdom; truth embraceth truth; virtue loveth virtue; light cleaveth unto light; mercy hath compassion on mercy and claimeth her own; justice continueth its course and claimeth its own; judgment goeth before the face of him who sitteth upon the throne and governeth and executeth all things. (D&C 88: 40)
The 34th sentence
He comprehendeth all things, and all things are before him, and all things are round about him; and he is above all things, and in all things, and is through all things, and is round about all things; and all things are by him, and of him, even God, forever and ever. (D&C 88: 41)
The 35th sentence—The Third Key/Clue of Understanding
And again, verily I say unto you, he hath given a law unto all things, by which they move in their times and their seasons; and their courses are fixed, even the courses of the heavens and the earth, which comprehend the earth and all the planets. (D&C 88: 42-43)
It is here that the Lord finally explains that the things He is referring to are planets.
The 36th sentence
And they give light to each other in their times and in their seasons, in their minutes, in their hours, in their days, in their weeks, in their months, in their years—all these are one year with God, but not with man. (D&C 88: 44)
In other words, all the times, seasons, minutes, hours, days, weeks, months and years of all of the worlds of the created Universe combined equal one God year.
The 37th sentence
The earth rolls upon her wings, and the sun giveth his light by day, and the moon giveth her light by night, and the stars also give their light, as they roll upon their wings in their glory, in the midst of the power of God. (D&C 88: 45)
Notice that the earth and moon are both female planets, while the the sun is a male planet. God, of course, is male. All these worlds are referred to as if they were people with gender.
The 38th sentence—The Fourth Key/Clue of Understanding
Unto what shall I liken these kingdoms, that ye may understand? (D&C 88: 46)
Here the Lord lumps the earth (a planet), the sun (a star), the moon (a natural satellite), and the stars (the rest of the stars or suns) together, calling them all kingdoms. The Lord is finally tying it all together so that we understand that He is talking about planet/kingdom/world things in this section.
The 39th sentence—The Fifth Key/Clue of Understanding
Behold, all these are kingdoms, and any man who hath seen any or the least of these hath seen God moving in his majesty and power. (D&C 88: 47)
The Lord again reiterates that these worlds are all kingdoms, as if to drive His point across so that we don’t miss it. And then He drops a bombshell, explaining to His saints that if you’ve seen any of these worlds, you’ve seen God!
This is because God, in addition to being the anthropomorphic, personal Being we worship, is also a planet. This is also why the ancients of every culture worshiped the planets/stars, calling them gods.
The 40th sentence—The Sixth Key/Clue of Understanding
I say unto you, he hath seen him; nevertheless, he who came unto his own was not comprehended. (D&C 88: 48)
Again, the Lord reiterates that if we’ve seen any of the planets, we’ve seen God.
Notice, also, that the Lord doesn’t say that if we’ve seen the planets, we’ve seen the Lord. In other words, He doesn’t say, “I say unto you, he hath seen me (the Lord).” Instead, He says, “He hath seen him (God).” This is because the Lord Jesus Christ, Jehovah, in addition to being an anthropomorphic, personal Being, is also a planet. However, the planet Jehovah is not currently around (in sight).
Also, seeing a planet is not the same as comprehending it.
The 41st sentence
The light shineth in darkness, and the darkness comprehendeth it not; nevertheless, the day shall come when you shall comprehend even God, being quickened in him and by him. (D&C 88: 49)
Keep in mind that the Lord is equating planets with God, so that if you see a planet, you see God. Therefore, in this sentence, when He says “you shall comprehend even God,” the Lord is referring to comprehending a planet.
The 42nd sentence
Then shall ye know that ye have seen me, that I am, and that I am the true light that is in you, and that you are in me; otherwise ye could not abound. (D&C 88: 50)
Don’t lose track, yet! Keep your eye on the ball and topic at hand, even PLANETS! The Lord is still talking about planets, only now He is saying that at some point we will see Jehovah (the planet.)
Perhaps to keep our attention firmly fixed on the topic of astronomy, as this is what D&C 88 is all about, the Lord gives the following parable about space and planets.
The parable of the man (Jehovah planet) sending his servants (planets) into the field (space) and visiting them in turn
Behold, I will liken these kingdoms unto a man having a field, and he sent forth his servants into the field to dig in the field. And he said unto the first: Go ye and labor in the field, and in the first hour I will come unto you, and ye shall behold the joy of my countenance. And he said unto the second: Go ye also into the field, and in the second hour I will visit you with the joy of my countenance. And also unto the third, saying: I will visit you; and unto the fourth, and so on unto the twelfth. And the lord of the field went unto the first in the first hour, and tarried with him all that hour, and he was made glad with the light of the countenance of his lord. And then he withdrew from the first that he might visit the second also, and the third, and the fourth, and so on unto the twelfth. And thus they all received the light of the countenance of their lord, every man in his hour, and in his time, and in his season—beginning at the first, and so on unto the last, and from the last unto the first, and from the first unto the last; every man in his own order, until his hour was finished, even according as his lord had commanded him, that his lord might be glorified in him, and he in his lord, that they all might be glorified.
Therefore, unto this parable I will liken all these kingdoms, and the inhabitants thereof—every kingdom in its hour, and in its time, and in its season, even according to the decree which God hath made. (D&C 88: 51-61)
Note: The joy/light of the countenance of the lord in this parable indicates that the planet Jehovah is a discharging star.
Next sentence and the rest of the section
And again, verily I say unto you, my friends, I leave these sayings with you to ponder in your hearts, with this commandment which I give unto you, that ye shall call upon me while I am near—draw near unto me and I will draw near unto you; seek me diligently and ye shall find me; ask, and ye shall receive; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. (D&C 88: 62-63)
Now, when you read the rest of the section (D&C 88: 64-141), try to keep in mind that this section is a lesson in ASTRONOMY! The Lord is talking of heavenly things, meaning PLANETS! Nevertheless, as above, so below.
(D&C 88 is really long and I don’t want to take the time now to break down every single verse and show the planetary references. Anthony Larson, if you feel up to it, you can take up where I’ve left off. Maybe I’ll do it myself in a future post. But if neither one of us does it, I think what I’ve written above is sufficient to get someone in the right frame of mind to extract the astronomy from the section. Good luck to all, in that end.)
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I enjoyed this post, Anarchist, thanks.
Can we equate “glory” with “light”? If so, then a kingdom (planet) with NO glory (D&C 88:24) would be a planet that gives no light. Or maybe an extremely dense planet that has collapsed on itself from which light cannot escape….black hole? If the immensity of space is filled with the light of Christ (or ether), then “outer darkness” would have to be isolated from the ether, maybe shoved down the infinitesimally small vortex of a black hole. That just might strip a body from his spirit, eh?
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NEPT,
The concept of “black holes” has no place in a plasma (electric) universe. (See Lightning, Sticky Tape, and Black Hole Observations – Part 2.) The light of Christ is the sea of plasma that fills the Universe. Plasma has three discharge modes: glow, arc and dark. This is interesting as there are three degrees of “glory.” Within the bounds of the Universe is plasma (or, as the Lord calls it, “space”), whereas outside of those bounds is outer darkness (no plasma.) Plasma is required in order to cause a “dense planet” to collapse on itself. (Gravity is a property of plasma, not matter.) Also, with the theoretical black hole, light (plasma) cannot escape. Plasma would have to be there for it to be unable to escape. And vortices are caused by plasma, so the theoretical “infinitesimally small vortex of a black hole” also would require plasma.
So, when you say that “outer darkness would have to be isolated from the ether,” which is a true statement, it means that outer darkness contains no plasma (ether). There are certain things we can glean about outer darkness from what the Lord has said (see for example, Deep Waters: Lehi’s model of the universe), but He has been fairly mum concerning all the details. However, the current, (theoretical and) conceptual model of a “black hole” cannot exist in outer darkness because of the lack of plasma there.
In other words, the Lord kind of leaves us hanging concerning “a kingdom which is not a kingdom of glory” (D&C 88: 24). We know it will reside outside the Universal sphere of light (the created, plasma Universe), in other words, in outer darkness, but He doesn’t explain it to us as we are currently within a plasma universe, and the laws of a plasma universe do not apply to outer darkness.
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As I look over what I wrote in this post, there is one other thing I could have brought out. Notice the mention of wings:
So, the earth and stars are described by the Lord as having wings. There is another thing mentioned in this revelation which typically is represented as having wings: angels. The LDS artists draw angels without wings, but all other cultures/religion draw them with wings. Obviously, we LDS think we’ve got it right and everyone else is wrong. But it may not be wise to make such a hasty conclusion, especially if what the Lord is referring to as angels is not really the anthropomorphic variety…
One last thing, it may be good to keep in your mind a list of the celestial objects in the heavens when reading this section. There are:
Stars
Planets
Moons
Asteroids
Comets
Meteors
In-between objects such as Saturn and Jupiter (star/planets) and brown dwarfs (dark stars), etc.
Thanks for the invitation, Anarchist, but I think I’ll restrict my comments to a simple invitation to read my blog (www.mormonprophecy.blogspot.com)–specifically, the article on the “desolation of abomination,” as revealed in the 84th Section.
http://mormonprophecy.blogspot.com/2008/09/section-84-forgotten-commandment.html
Anthony, you posted that same article on the LDS Anarchy blog. See
The Forgotten Commandment: Watch the heavens!
As I just now re-read it, I see that you did expound some of D&C 88, from verse 70 to verse 93. So, I would recommend to anyone that is interested in this topic, after reading my Keep your eye on the planets! post, that you read Anthony’s excellent post for further info on D&C 88.
I thought you might like to read Benjamin F. Johnson’s recollection of Joseph’s teaching about the parable above – see Twelve Kingdoms or Planets.
I was not aware of that quote, Greg. Thanks for telling me about it.
Sure, no problem. Hope you enjoyed it!
Anarchist, thanks for this post. I have been pondering this section a good deal lately, thanks again for the post.
The parable in particularly seems shrouded and rooted with some incredible thoughts laced in.
” Behold, I will liken these kingdoms unto a man having a field, and he sent forth his servants into the field to dig in the field.”
I continually find this particular start to it mind bogglingly ponderous. He is speaking about the kingdoms, the planets, as you have alluded. The kingdoms ARE the man who has a field. So, the field must represent the planets as a group, including the Light which makes up everything (plasma in between as you put it)
Earlier in the section, in an attempt to give it to us quickly he states, “Behold, all these are kingdoms, and any man who hath seen any or the least of these hath seen God moving in his majesty and power”
I wholly believe that we are living IN the mind of God. That the Spirit of God is the Mind of Christ, the Light of Christ in and through all things. That His body(s) are smaller than that mind, as it is all encompassing. In fact our bodies are his, though he has given us agency to use a portion of it to create identity and eventually a part in the whole process. We are only doing our tiny part to exalt a portion of the light to higher intelligence. And in so doing become one with the Mind of God (plasma?)
AS such, any person who SEES and Comprehends what they are seeing, the mind and very existence of God, in front of them, has seen God in action. They have looked into the Urim and thummim of existence and seen the vision of All, being full of light and knowledge. Existing at the speed of light (mind of God) for that period of time, they have seen all things, and all things are before them past present and future. They have seen the planets in action, exalting light through the agency of men.
Then, the planets or kingdoms are literally the “mother earth”-God. The portion of God that Gives birth to mortals, being quickened by the father, who is the quickening agent, the light. You stated that God is a Male. This is an oversimplified statement, as he is also female. There would be no God to you without male and Female, Mother and father fulfilling separately unified rolls.
What I’m getting at here is that the man in the kingdom doing the work isn’t the “lord” (physical angel coming here in form of man to do a work, or Jehovah planet in revolution) but rather the Planets themselves collectively , doing a work, each in there season according to the order of things. They send the Servant from one portion of their mind to exalt it, to another, in their turns. The servant does the quickening judgmental role exalting one portion at a time, and in turn using other angels and servants for the same purpose.
Tying my view of it to yours, I’d see the Jehovah Planet (planet x?) in a state of revolution. He is the servant that visits various portions of the Mothers Intelligence. When he visits, there is chaos, judgment, degradation and exaltation, the end of days ‘last’ dispensation. Exalting some portion of those planets through quickening and lowering others through displacement. The Man with the field than is not Jehovah, its the Mind of Christ which all planets are. The Jehovah planet is the exalted servant doing the work of exaltation in revolution visiting the 12 kingdoms in order.
Polygamy is the Human type of this form of creation and exaltation.
Using Gregs (thanks for the quote Greg) quote in this Ideal,
“he gave us to understand that there were twelve kingdoms, or planets1, revolving around our solar system, to which the Lord gave an equal division of His time or ministry and that now was His time to again visit the earth. He taught that all systems of worlds were in revolution, the lesser around the greater.”
Joseph is showing what I described. When that planet x (servant going to planets in field) is coming around to do his thing, the Lord Comes into the field of Wheat and tares (men) and prepares it for that servant coming. The Lord being the servant to ‘God’.
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Anyway, like I said, keep your eye on the planets:
POSSIBLE IMPACT EVENT ON JUPITER (from SpaceWeather.com homepage)
Impact Mark on Jupiter, 19th July 2009 (Anthony Wesley made the discovery)
Apparent Impact on Jupiter (from SkyandTelescope.com)
LeighFletcher Tweets/Twitter (Planetary Scientist giving moment by moment updates on impact)
Here’s another:
New NASA Images Indicate Object Hits Jupiter – NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory
See the archived SpaceWeather.com pages for July 19, July 20 and July 21.
I have a nagging suspicion that Jupiter was struck on July 18th, 2009, between 1p.m. and 1:35 p.m. Eastern Time. Don’t ask me why I feel this way.
For what it’s worth, I’ve had enough experiences to no longer believe in the concept of coincidence. So, when there are two impacts on Jupiter–1 in July 16-22 1994 and again July 19thish 2009 that’s amazing. For the numerologist in me, the fact that these two events happened 15 years apart, pretty much says something big. What? That’s a discussion to have elsewhere if you want.
Here’s a new pic of Jupiter’s collision:
Surprise Collision on Jupiter Captured by Gemini Telescope
Notice the similarity of the impact to the photo of the impact of fragment G of the SL-9 collision. Fragment G struck Jupiter on July 18th.
For those who don’t know how to convert UTC times to standard times, here’s a chart to help you.
JL, I had actually been waiting for a certain something to happen and had calculated a window for it to happen of July 16-22. I calculated this months ago, but it didn’t dawn on me that those dates were also the same ones as the SL-9 impacts fifteen years before until I learned of this recent Jovian strike. (See my Twitter account.) I agree, it seems much too coincidental to be mere coincidence.
I forgot to mention that throwing in a solar eclipse on the 22nd just adds to it all. Not just a typical one, but the longest this century will see.
And yet another new photo, this time using the Hubble Space Telescope:
Hubble Captures Rare Jupiter Collision
hey anarchist, what does this mean in your mind? A collision of Jupiter, how would that affect us? Perhaps objects that are coming this way, maybe impacting or at least affecting earth also, when they get here? I’m not an astronomer, so all I have is my imagination.
weeping, I don’t think we have anything to worry about concerning objects impacting the Earth any time soon. I think the impact on Jupiter, like the one 15 years previous (to the day!) were simply signs from the Lord. However, whereas the SL-9 fragments were tracked by our telescopes prior to striking, in other words, we knew they were coming, could see them traveling towards Jupiter and ultimately saw them strike, this latest impact came like a thief in the night. We still don’t know what struck Jupiter, nor exactly when it happened.
It may be that this is simply a normal occurrence, that happens more routinely than previously thought, or it may be that comets/asteroids are starting to get dislodged in their normal courses by the closer approach of a very large object, like the ripples in a pond caused by a pebble suddenly dropping onto the surface. Everything in the vicinity floating on that surface is affected by the ripples. Large objects not so much, but small objects, like comets or asteroids, maybe just enough to change their courses and cause them to be pushed towards gravity wells such as Jupiter. We still lack information to make such a determination as to the cause of these impacts.
However, as signs, they are ominous. SL-9 seemed to be a message of: “I’m giving you time to prepare for the changes on their way, changes that will transform your world radically, just as Jupiter was transformed by these impacts which you have seen from afar off and have expected.” The Wesley impact seems to be a message of: “Time is up and change shall now come suddenly, when you least expect it, just as Jupiter was caught by surprise.”
To me, personally, the Wesley impact was a double sign, as it happened on July18/19, right about the time that another (personal) sign was given to me, sooner than I expected it to. Prior to the Wesley impact, I had been looking for two things to happen:
1) Israel to engage in warfare with one or more of its neighbors, the result of which being that it would cease to exist as a State and the Jews inhabitants scattered, and
2) something to occur in/with the Mormon church, which would lead to its breakup.
As yet, all I’ve seen is sabre rattling among Israel and Iran, as well as Lebanon reports of Israeli arm buildups, but no conflict. And on the Mormon end, all I’ve seen are the reported kiss-ins in Salt Lake City and at the San Diego Temple, and the intended national ones planned for August 15. Who knows what will come of that? Maybe nothing.
However, after the double sign, sometime last week I got the impression that I was overlooking something: perhaps it will be the hand of God in the scattering of the Jews and the Mormons. I’m now thinking that something sudden may occur, in the form of acts of God (tsunamis, earthquakes, volcanoes, lightning strikes, tornadoes, flooding, hurricanes, hail, etc.) Such natural disasters, of sufficient intensity and destruction, could come “out of the blue, suddenly,” just like whatever struck Jupiter, and could initiate the breakup somehow of both institutions. Perhaps a combination of human and heavenly heavy-handedness would be what causes the scattering.
According to the plasma model, an approaching object of vast size would undoubtedly affect the electrical circuit of the entire solar system, even still far out there. As electricity, for a good part, is the main instigator of such natural disasters (discharging plasma being the “on” switch), it is not beyond reason to think that what happens among the planets and between the planets (the electrical circuit) can affect the weather here on Earth, even without any celestial body falling to Earth. We are already seeing our Sun dozing without spots for far too long, so there seems to be evidence that something major has been and is still occurring in the solar circuit. If whatever it is is causing the Sun to sleep, a body so massive and large as that, then surely it can and will affect the Earth.
Comet Holmes was another sign, in my mind, growing to many times larger than the diameter of the Sun. What was up with that? So, my understanding is that first the Lord “speaks” and “acts” through the planets, as a preface to the sermon preached on Earth. Later, the order will get reversed.
Ya’ll have me a little freaked out!
Monday night, July 20th, my area experienced a pretty bad hailstorm (with tornado sightings) that was not expected. They were 1.5 inch hailstones that did lots and lots of damage. It lasted about 20 minutes and I thought it was the beginning of the end. LOL
On the bright side, a lot of people are getting new roofs!
One of the great lessons I take from the scriptures and temple ceremony is that of preparation. The Lord always prepares his people first, giving them the signs necessary to complete what is required of them. The feelings of anxiety are heightened with all the talk of 2012, and in this post with what several of us believe to be signs in the heavens. However, the fear is not necessary if we act. That just means prepare. For what? That will take personal fasting and prayer. And of coarse, continued watching.
Uhhhh, I feel like a broken record, but uh, well, like I said, keep your eyes on the planets…
Mysterious bright spot found on Venus (NewScientist article)
This spot was first discovered by amateur astronomer Frank Melillo of Holtsville, New York on…July 19th, the same day Anthony Wesley discovered the Jovian impact…
Truthseekertoo, now I’m starting to get freaked out… 😉
Cue the Twilight Zone music…Thanks for the update LDSA.
JL, I agree with you about no need for fear. I actually have felt much calm about whatever the future may hold.
HOWEVER, when it sounds like your roof is gonna collapse from all the hail-all bets are off. LOL
And now we have a conspiracy theory about the “impact” on Jupiter…
“Wesley’s Jupiter Mark” of July 19, 2009 (WJM-09), the Case for an Unnatural Event
[Note: Tim at the Latter-day Commentary blog was always using the LDS Anarchy blog as the prime example of some of the nut jobs that come out of the LDS woodwork, so I thought I’d humor him. In all fairness to Tim, though, he has taken off the “wacko” links pointing to this blog and now points them to other “wacko” sites.]
The above thread is, as of today, seven pages long, but there are some pretty good links on it, such as this one:
http://jupiter.cstoneind.com/
Click on the above link, then click on the “ALPO Japan Jupiter Section” link, then choose the day you wish to see for all the images of Jupiter that astronomers are snapping. There are lots of current images.
The Thunderbolts Forum has a thread talking about the Jupiter and Venus spots from an Electric Universe (Plasma Science) perspective. Here is the link. The hypothesis is that the Jovian and Venusian spots are not caused by impacts, but by some of the Sun’s Birkland current filaments being directed into the planets. Read all about it.
Also, OWIW, on his own blog, linked to an article that claims that Russian Scientists think the Venus spot is from an impact and are saying the Western scientists are spreading propaganda in dismissing a possible Venusian impact. Here is the article he linked to.
Did y’all see this one yet?
http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/08/05/1231244/Surface-Plume-On-Betelgeuse-Imaged
Signs, signs, everywhere a sign… Now let’s get on with the adultery…
Yeah, I already saw that one, but thanks, anyway.
This is old news, but it’s been dredged up from the JPL files and lots of people are viewing it now. Even though it’s a bit dated, it is a stunning sight and so I put it here, as it may be important to see this in case something happens in the near future to Saturn:
Cassini Images Bizarre Hexagon on Saturn
Moar signz:
http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/08/09/1549233/Strange-New-Objects-Seen-In-Saturns-Rings
Your comment made the full song pop into my head:
Okay, so first Saturn’s rotation has been recalculated, then material on the rings is standing up, then a moonlet is found riding the rings, and now some weird ring thing has been caught in the act. Perhaps Saturn is the planet to be watching…
Yeah, yeah, I know this is now old news, but I wasn’t able to post this here when the story first broke, so as there may still be some people who aren’t aware of it, and as it deals, yet again, with the topic of Saturn, here we go again…
New Saturn Ring Is Largest Known; May Solve Moon Puzzle
Make sure you click the picture to enlarge it to get a better idea of how gigantic the ring is.
Comment by mormonmilkman on July 1, 2009
“I wholly believe that we are living IN the mind of God…”
An interesting article on that subject can be found at: http://www.dapla.org/earth_brain.htm
I just learned that there have been two more possible impacts on Jupiter. One on June 3rd and one a few days ago on August 20th. Here are some articles on these events:
Jupiter Impact: Mystery of the Missing Debris
Jupiter attacked for third time in 13 months
Spaceweather.com also has more info, pics and video on this. Check it out, if interested.
I suppose I ought to mention this, too. There is a “very large coronal hole” on the Sun, “one of the largest ones in many years”. The effects of this will be reaching Earth on August 24-25. “Depending on the strength, increased worldwide earthquake activity will follow.”
That comes from TheWeatherSpace.com:
Very large coronal hole faces Earth
I’ll also mention this:
Some blog author put out a set of dates (24-29 August) as the probable time for a possibly strong to major earthquake to be triggered by this Sun event, even giving likely strike areas around the globe. I stated there that my own opinion was that if a major earthquake ocurred on any of those dates, it would be on the 24th (tomorrow). (My picking of that date has nothing to do with astronomy.) It’ll be interesting to see if the Sun event coincides with a major earthquake.
Lastly, the tsunami prediction by that Christian guy who also predicts a 9/3 mega quake has come and gone. First he said August 10-11, then August 20-22, etc. However, when I was 17, I remember seeing a tsunami hit California. I can’t remember whether it was a dream or a vision. It was so long ago that I only remember parts of the vision/dream, but those parts are still very vivid. So, I know that at some time in the future, California is going to be hit by a tsunami, but I don’t know when. Needless to say, that guy’s prediction (he actually states that it was some lady’s prediction which he seemed to confirm) of the tsunami brought the vision/dream back to my mind. For this reason, I am not willing to discount such a scenario.
The reason I mention all of this is that the triple whammy hit on Jupiter (and perhaps, even, the disappearance of one of Jupiter’s bands) could very well be signs of three (or four) major events coming soon on the Earth, to be fulfilled below in like manner to what was seen above.
So, two small asteroids — in twelve hours — are passing the earth, both coming within the moon’s orbit, one of them whipping by about 49,000 miles away.
Asteroid 2010 RX30 is estimated to be 32 to 65 feet in size (10-20 meters) and passed within 154,000 miles of Earth at 5:51 a.m. EDT this morning. The moon, by way of comparison, is about 240,000 miles away.
Asteroid 2010 RF12, about 20-45 feet in maximum width (6-14 meters), is passing within approximately 49,088 miles of us at 5:12 p.m. EDT. That’s 1/5 the distance of the moon.
Two witnesses?
On September 7th I was discussing those two asteroids with a friend of mine and he also mentioned two witnesses.
Perhaps you also heard of the asteroid/meteorite that hit Colombia on September 6th and left a 90-110 meter crater?
Asteroid Strikes Colombia – American Media Buries It!
Great ball of fire falls in Colombia
Asteroid falls in Santander, Colombia
Extraño objeto causó sorpresa en Santander (in Spanish)
We are coming up on the Fall Equinox — perhaps more things will be “falling” out of the sky.
More things falling out of the sky? You mean like this
Was San Bruno “natural gas explosion” a meteorite?
or this
Meteor seen across Southern California early Friday morning
?
I had a dream last night of a meteor shower, not the tiny kind, but the large fireball kind that is found in Hollywood movies. The fireballs streaked across the sky from right to left and the people with me who were looking up into the nightsky were amazed at the spectacle. Then it died down and the meteors began coming straight down, towards us, hitting the area around us. It started out with tiny meteorite particles and ended up with large balls of firey rock, igniting the building we came out of. I and everyone around scrambled inside, but try as we might, there was no escape. Everyone eventually died. (I think even me.) Later, it was learned that Jerusalem had been also struck and that no one could communicate with that city. It was assumed that it had been wiped out. When news of Jerusalem’s destruction reached Iran, it decided to attack Israel and prepared itself to do so. I (still in the dream, either alive or dead, I don’t know) said that an earthquake would strike before the attack was made. Then I woke up. This was my first meteor/meteorite dream and it was spectacular. But it was just a dream, nothing inspired. Nevertheless, I decided to see if any meteors had been reported being seen and found this:
Fireball seen over Santa Fe
Sandia National Laboratories meteor video
Perhaps this rock passed over my head, triggering the dream.
This reminded me of the dream I wrote about in the previous comment:
Suspicious inflammatory body falls in Gaza’s sea
Last night was the last time to see the Leonids meteor shower. So, I stayed up really late and traveled to the place that I saw in my dream (which I commented about two comments up). The building that I saw in the dream was U-shaped, like one of those old-time magnets, only square cornered and not rouneded. It opened onto the street and faced a hillside. In between the two “arms” of the building there was a pool. I went to where the hillside was and thought that there was no such building there, and definitely no such pool. What I found was two long, parallel buildings with a parking lot inbetween them. In the darkness, the parking lot might have been mistaken for a dark pool of water. The bottom of the U had intersecting long buildings. If seen at a certain angle, it wasn’t too much of a stretch to imagine that all unconnected buildings were, in fact, connected into a U-shape. I went into the “pool”-parking lot and walked to the bottom of the U-shaped “building”, then turned around and looked at the hillside. It was the same section of hillside I had seen in my dream. I was in the exact location of my dream, though I had never been there before. I laid down on the pavement and looked up. In my dream, the meteors traveled right to left. As I was facing south, this meant they traveled west to east. I waited, watching, fully expecting a meteor to appear going right to left. Instead, when the first meteor streaked across the sky, I was shocked to see that it traveled left to right, or east to west. Apparently my dream mind is pretty good at picturing landmarks and places I’ve never been to, but not too good at figuring out the direction meteors ought to be tranveling. It was cold, so I went home after that.
You’ve written it in a couple posts LDSA [and I have as well] — that:
means that the residence of heavenly Father is the geometric center of the created universe [which is in the shape of a sphere].
Now DyC has written:
So — if creation [the splitting of the compound-in-one into existing spirit/element particles] and expansion of the universe is taking place in all 3 dimensions at any given point in space [continually, all the time] — then wouldn’t that mean God is dwelling equally at all points in space and time?
Put a bit plainer — since any given “point” in space is a point from which expansion of the universe takes place [every point is the “middle”, from the point-of-reference of “that spot”], D&C 88:13 would be describing omnipresence.
Just a thought — anyone else thinking along similar terms?
Here is my current understanding on all this.
First, that God is composed of a spirit body in the shape or form of a man and a physical body in the shape or form of a man, but the spirit body has an extension that extends way beyond the boundaries of his physical body (which is shaped like man.)
This extension of his spirit body is in the shape of a sphere and encompasses the entire created Universe, so it is obviously inconceivably huge. What we call the light of Christ is literally this spirit extension of the spirit of God. The extension proceeds from his mind, or is his mind, so that we are literally (not symbolically) living within the mind of God. So, it’s not like there is God, his body and his spirit, which are connected and in one single location, and then there is this other thing apart from God called the light of Christ which fills the immensity of space, and He uses this other thing to be everywhere at once. No, instead the light that proceeds from him is actually connected to him, because it is part of him, just as my foot extends out there and is part of me, so this extended spirit part of him is a part of his actual spirit body.
But it’s not his foot, it’s his mind, which comprehends all created things. To comprehend is “to contain or hold within a total scope, significance, or amount.” In other words, it is to encompass a thing in its entirely, so that total understanding is gained. So the mind of God is above, below and within all created things.
The mind of God, then, is this law spoken of in the scriptures, which has ends (at the lake of fire.) Any bit of created thing, then, is literally surrounded by God and also has God within it, for the mind of God, which sees everything within its scope of vision, pierces everything. Thus the scriptures speak of the piercing of the all-seeing eye of God. He sees everything because He literally is everywhere at once.
Satan also is made the same way. He has a spirit body, in the shape of man, but he has an extension that extends beyond his man-shaped spirit body, which extension we call the spirit of the devil, and this spirit of the devil, which again is merely an extension of his own mind, meaning that it is not separate from him, but is his actual mind, this extension encompasses all things that are subject or connected to it, through filaments called chains and veils, etc.
So, since we were all made in the image of God, this means that our spirit bodies are also in the shape or form of man, and that our minds extend outward a bit beyond the man-shaped portion of our spirit and physical bodies.
All these extensions (spirit minds) are likely in the shape of spheres, just as God’s spirit mind extension is. They hang like fruits and likely attach to whichever spirit they list to obey, either attaching to the mind of God or the mind of the devil, perhaps through filaments, like fruits on a vine.
Okay, so with all this information in mind, and assuming that these principles are true, then expansion is going on at every point, because the Universe is still not mature. When fruit is not mature, it grows. Some fruit, of course, withers and dies. But the fruit that is still good, or still viable, is still growing. So, we are currently in a state of expansion, or, as the scriptures say, enlargement, as we commented on in that other post.
All these spheres (including extended mind spheres) are still enlarging, or capable of being enlarged, as well as capable of being shrunk, and the enlargement (by God) or shrinking (by the devil, to siphon off the energy) of these orbs creates a plasma bow shock at their perimeters, just as it does at the edges of the Universe. These energy interactions and discharges, then, are scalable from the smallest bit to the entire Universe. The same thing is seen everywhere.
Now, it is my opinion that at some point in time the fruit will mature, be gathered, the bad fruit will be cast into the fire, everything will receive an inheritance, etc., so at some point everyone will receive their maximum, adult or mature fruit size, according to the glory they are quickened by, and be filled to capacity, to enjoy eternal bliss from then on. And then a new Universal tree seed will be planted, and so on and so forth.
For those that follow God, the doctrine of receiving a fulness of the spirit is the idea that their spirit minds, which are in the shape of a sphere, attach to the mind of God and become one with it, or that they merge or become absorbed into the mind of God, so that the mind of God (which extends beyond the body of God) becomes their mind. They then are in him, he in them, etc. This spirit extension is meant to connect with other spirit extensions in some fashion.
In order to function, brains have both a spiritual and physical aspect to them, so it might be appropriate to call all that is in the created Universe, God’s literal brain, or at least the mind part of his brain.
If the created Universe is the extended mind part of God’s brain, then outer darkness must be the extended heart part of it. Outer darkness, though, is a true infinity, so pondering on this aspect of his nature causes my own thoughts to shut completely down, since I cannot comprehend how this all works, but my own brain says that that is where his extended heart resides. The compound-in-one defies comprehension, since it’s neither spirit nor matter, but just mere potential. Perhaps the extended heart of God, being a spirit, actually does pierce that region, paving the way for mind expansion. Again, I’m not sure how all this works, but it may be that when God looks into the darkness, imagining more creations, he literally enters it with his spirit heart extension, creating a spiritual blueprint for his extended spirit mind to follow.
It may be that just as things enter into the heart of man, so regions of the outer darkness must first enter into the heart of God, before their creation. These things are spoken of symbolically but they may also have a literal meaning, as well, if there truly is a spirit heart extension that pertains to both man and God. Also, we are to have our hearts filled with the love of God, which is charity, and it is my understanding that charity is what brings us to the light of creation, which is at the lake of fire, so it may be that God extends forth his heart into the void of darkness, prepping the fields with love, so that when the light reaches them they “wake up” into their existence.
I won’t go in this fashion. I think that is enough speculation for one sitting. I will state, though, that with these thoughts it is easy to see how God is omnipresent and also why energy is found flowing in at all points.
Uh, a couple more things.
You wrote, “if creation [the splitting of the compound-in-one into existing spirit/element particles] and expansion of the universe is taking place in all 3 dimensions at any given point in space [continually, all the time]…”
My understanding is that creatio ex nihilo takes place only at the ends of the created Universe, while creatio ex materia takes place at every place within the ends. So, I wouldn’t say that the splitting of the compound-in-one into existing spirit/element particles is taking place in all 3 dimensions at any given point in space. The energy pouring in from all locations is a result, I believe, of creatio ex materia alone.
The expansion of the Universe, however, happens on all levels of scale, at the ends and within the Universe, until maturity (I think). We (scientists, that is) can’t see the ends, currently, so we can only take measurements of the region of the Universe we inhabit and can see, which appears to be full of energy. Likewise, we can’t see the center of the Universe, either. If we could see the Universal ends, we’d see that it is like a scaled up version of the Sun’s corona, which has much higher temperatures than at the Sun’s surface. But even with the Sun, we can’t see its center, nor measure it central temperature. All we can do is make guesses. It’s kind of hard to compare apples to oranges when you’ve never seen an orange, nor has anyone else.
The other topic I wanted to broach, since I kind of already mentioned it in the previous comment, is about the devil’s mind (the spirit of the devil). If you consider that the devil’s mind has a set amount of processing power, like a computer, and if you consider that each spirit child of heavenly Father also has a mind with a set amount of processing power, and that each of these minds extend outward from the spirit body, and can be connected or attached to another mind; and if you consider that the devil’s extended mind has taken over one-third of the hosts of heaven, which are, for all intents and purposes, innumerable to man, and that the devil now has become “one” with these spirits, so that their minds are now his mind, then the processing power of the devil’s mind is inconceivably great.
In other words, if we just take the one-third of the hosts of heaven alone, and not add any other spirits into the equation, the devil’s mind should be able to out think any one man or group of men, or even any group of man-made computers, or even all the men alive today plus all the computing power that is currently available. If were were to put all this processing power in a game of strategy against the devil, the devil should win, since he’s got an innumerable number of spirit mind computers at his disposal. His processing power is orders of magnitude greater than anything we can even begin to comprehend. This alone shows why man cannot beat the devil.
But it gets worse. If we consider that all those who die in their sins become subject to the spirit of the devil (his extended mind) and go to hell, then he’s got access to all their spirit mind processing power, too.
Now, if we take this thought even further (which I won’t do at this point), this opens up an interesting bag of tricks that the devil has at his disposal, in which to deceive the masses.
I’ve always pictured this:
like this:
This concept of linked minds connected in “neural networks” reminded me of the “morphic field” effect: which [in short] describes individual minds less as separate computers with their own separate “hardware” [or storage space] — and more as an “operating system” or interface capable of “sharing” a common “idea-space”, and interacting with the “network” as one interface in a computer network would.
The mind doesn’t store “information” on the neurons — rather, the neurons are the wiring we use to encrypt and upload [“store”], and also decrypt and download [“remember”]. Our brain is an interface that can upload and download data [memories, ideas, knowledge] into/from a common “database” — which is actually offsite, called the “morphic field”.
The “spirit whom we list to obey” — and its associated spirit filament that is attached to our brains [the spirit of the Lord, “wheat” — or spirit of the devil, “tares”] — are like the “wires” attaching our brains to that “central computer” of either the morphic field of God or Satan.
And just like we can upload and download our own personal memories, ideas, etc. — because it’s a shared network, we can be “sent” ideas and “share” files. Of course, the spirit of God would only enter your mind with ideas with your consent and give you expedient ideas, revelations, prophecies, and true knowledge — while the spirit of the devil will enter your mind at his own will and put false ideas, memories, and knowledge [“lies”] into your mind to control you.
Did I actually say “locus”? Okay enough joking.
Back in 1975 Raymond Moody a doctor of psychology at University of Virginia wrote a book called Life after Life. I is worth knowing that he began the research for the book because of another doctor there who had written a book about his personal NDE the book was Return from Tomorrow. A man named Georg Ritchie. I read those books and a sequel by Moody called Reflections on life after life. they have become very useful to me in understanding the universe and things of God. In the Reflections book there was one person who died went to the spirit world and then returned to tell about it. He said In school I learned all about geometry and math. I learned about the 3 dimensions. But when in that world I learned there are many more dimensions.
I can’t remember the quote exactly but it sounded like hundreds of dimensions. So to describe the universe which includes a spiritual realm in terms of just three dimensions might b like trying to depict a 3 dimensional object on a 2 dimensional media. It is impossible to get an accurate view of things.
And truly Father has a body like a man and yet he has a a mind which creates all the universe. What George Ritchie was shown was that each human’s thought are things being created i a very real way. That is why no matter where I am in the universe my thought whether positive or negative have an effect on the rest of he universe. So sorry you guys about that burnt toast you had, I caused it when I got depressed one time or the fly whose path my thoughts directed into your hot chocolate. I am only partially joking. My negative thought have done less than good for others. And my positive thought have helped others too.
I am now creating a new universe right now. And so are you.
I reject the concept that the devil has a super capacity processing power at his command, well at least I reject that even with his minions he has a power far beyond what we have. Can we take him on with just mortal powers of thought and body, no. It would be stupid for us to do that to limit ourselves to just physical powers. It would be taking a knife to a gunfight. Not a good idea.
But we are not just physical. We are tied in to the spirit of God and the power of the love of God. These “weapons” are inaccessible to the devil and all his hosts. They do not believe and so all things are not possible to them. They can not use the name of Jesus in their endeavors. It would be like having Superman wear a big chunk of kryptonite around his neck to defeat his enemy.
Now to the reality the name of Jesus the love of God and faith in those truths in us puts the devils to flight. They are powerless against this. Jesus said in D&C 29 “Where I am they cannot come for they have no power.”
The only power that Satan has over us is the power we give him by believing his lies.
LIE 1 You must partake of this fruit….
And what is that fruit?
All things are either good or bad therefore I am either good or bad. And so God rejects me when I do “bad”.
That is bad fruit. It is not of God and it keeps us in a continual state of fear for our souls because we see ourselves as unacceptable to God and we cast ourselves out of His presence just as did Adam and Eve.
Satan’s power consists of the lie and the fear the lie generates.
Our power consists of our faith in Christ and His love for us.
We have the nukes and Satan has pictures of nukes.
LDS Anarchist,
In reference to your 23 August 2010 post, would the floods in Pakistan on 27 August 2010 count for a tsunami? There was also a 5.7 earthquake in northern Iran that day.
Also, the Sumatran volcano Sinabung erupted for the first time in 400 years on 29 August 2010.