The Second Seer


But, behold, verily, verily, I say unto thee,

no one shall be appointed to receive commandments and revelations in this church excepting my servant Joseph Smith, Jun.,

for he receiveth them even as Moses. (D&C 28:2)

For I have given him the keys of the mysteries, and the revelations which are sealed, until I shall appoint unto them another in his stead. (D&C 28:7)

And I have sent forth the fulness of my gospel by the hand of my servant Joseph; and in weakness have I blessed him; and I have given unto him the keys of the mystery of those things which have been sealed, even things which were from the foundation of the world, and the things which shall come from this time until the time of my coming, if he abide in me, and if not, another will I plant in his stead. Wherefore, watch over him that his faith fail not, and it shall be given by the Comforter, the Holy Ghost, that knoweth all things. (D&C 35:17-19)

O hearken, ye elders of my church, and give ear to the words which I shall speak unto you. For behold, verily, verily, I say unto you,

that ye have received a commandment for a law unto my church, through him whom I have appointed unto you to receive commandments and revelations from my hand.

And this ye shall know assuredly-

that there is none other appointed unto you to receive commandments and revelations until he be taken, if he abide in me.

But verily, verily, I say unto you,

that none else shall be appointed unto this gift except it be through him; for if it be taken from him he shall not have power except to appoint another in his stead.

And this shall be a law unto you,

that ye receive not the teachings of any that shall come before you as revelations or commandments;

And this I give unto you that you may not be deceived, that you may know they are not of me. For verily I say unto you,

that he that is ordained of me shall come in at the gate and be ordained as I have told you before, to teach those revelations which you have received and shall receive through him whom I have appointed. (D&C 43:1-7)

So, here is what I get out of these scriptures:

The gift of receiving revelations and commandments for the church and also the gift of the mysteries and sealed revelations were given to Joseph Smith alone.  This means that while Joseph lived in righteousness, no one else would possess them.  He would keep them for the rest of his life, and though all eternity, as long as he did not transgress in mortality.  Nevertheless, it was always the intention of the Lord that someone else would have these gifts at some point, presumably after Joseph died.  But while he lived righteously, he alone would possess them.  If, however, he transgressed, he would lose them, but would have power to appoint someone else to them.  Even if Joseph did not transgress, but lived a life of righteousness, and then died, no one else would have these gifts unless and until Joseph appointed them to that person.

This shows that there were always two men God had in mind to possess these gifts.  The first was Joseph Smith, Jun.  The second man is still unidentified, but what is known is that he either would be appointed by Joseph Smith while Joseph was still alive (if Joseph transgressed), or he would be appointed by Joseph Smith after Joseph died (if Joseph did not transgress.)

Joseph Smith, Jun., and the other guy are the only men appointed to the church to receive revelations, commandments, mysteries and sealed stuff.  Everyone else in the church, regardless of title, position or office, can only teach the revelations and commandments that come through Joseph and the other man.  The church is commanded to receive as commandments and revelations and mysteries only that which comes through either Joseph Smith or the other, unidentified man.

We can conclude from this, then, that Joseph abided in the Lord until the day of his martyrdom, for he never appointed these gifts in life, to anyone else, which he was supposed to do if he lost them.  Those who say, then, that Joseph was a fallen prophet, due to polygamy, etc., are in error.  (We also have no record of Joseph appointing the gifts to any other man after his death.)

As there were only going to be two men appointed to the church, having these gifts, we can conclude that the second man would not die like Joseph, but would remain alive until all things had been revealed, all commandments had been given, all mysteries had been opened, all sealed things had been unsealed and the restoration of all things had taken place.  The second man would have to do everything else that Joseph did not do, to complete the restoration of all things.  Thus, from Brigham Young to Thomas S. Monson, none of the church presidents fit the bill for the second man, for they all died (or will die, in the case of brother Thomas) and they restored nothing more than Joseph did.  None of these men, then, are prophets, seers, revelators or translators, like Joseph was.  Their calling is merely to teach what came through the first bona fide seer, Joseph Smith, and when the second man makes his appearance, to teach what comes through him.  He will be a bona fide prophet, seer, revelator and translator, just like Joseph was.

It may be that this second seer, who will be appointed unto the church, is the Josephite restorer:

Joseph Smith’s mission

And again, verily I say unto thy brethren, Sidney Rigdon and Frederick G. Williams, their sins are forgiven them also, and they are accounted as equal with thee in holding the keys of this last kingdom; as also through your administration the keys of the school of the prophets, which I have commanded to be organized; that thereby they may be perfected in their ministry for the salvation of Zion, and of the nations of Israel, and of the Gentiles, as many as will believe; that through your administration they may receive the word, and through their administration the word may go forth unto the ends of the earth, unto the Gentiles first, and then, behold, and lo, they shall turn unto the Jews. (D&C 90:6-9)

The Josephite restorer’s mission

And then cometh the day when the arm of the Lord shall be revealed in power in convincing the nations, the heathen nations, the house of Joseph, of the gospel of their salvation.

For it shall come to pass in that day, that every man shall hear the fulness of the gospel in his own tongue, and in his own language, through those who are ordained unto this power, by the administration of the Comforter, shed forth upon them for the revelation of Jesus Christ. (D&C 90:10-11)

If so, then all the splinter groups which claim to be restoring this or that in the church, which are led by a man, and that man is not a miracle worker, nor a seer like Joseph was (i.e., he does not possess a Urim and Thummim), are in error.  The only duty of the latter-day saints is to abide by the revelations and commandments that come through Joseph Smith.  They are not to listen to or obey the commandments and revelations that come from anyone else, excepting only the second seer.  The second seer will be like Joseph: seeing visions, translating ancient records, possessing a Urim and Thummim, receiving revelations, prophesying, having angels minister and restoring the rest, therefore no one need be deceived.

Again, if the second seer is the Josephite restorer—and there is every reason to believe that they are one and the same person–he will also be performing miracles, setting up the conditions for the fulfillment of 2 Ne. 28:6:

Behold, hearken ye unto my precept; if they shall say there is a miracle wrought by the hand of the Lord, believe it not; for this day he is not a God of miracles; he hath done his work.

The latter-day saints, then, need not be deceived by impostors.

False prophets will turn the people’s attention away from the Doctrine and Covenants.  This is why Moroni states,

Behold, look ye unto the revelations of God, for behold, the time cometh at that day when all these things must be fulfilled  (Moroni 8:33.)

Although he was principally referring to the revelations of God that would come from the Josephite restorer, who would be the second seer, his words are also applicable to the revelations of God that came through the first seer, Joseph Smith.  Therefore, if a professed prophet focusses on the Book of Mormon, or on the Bible, or on something else, to the exclusion or downplay of the Doctrine and Covenants, he is not of God.  If he accepts some of Joseph’s revelations, but not the others, he is not of God.  If he wants you to obey a church policy or procedure or tradition, which conflicts with the revealed law and commandments found in the Doctrine and Covenants, he is not of God.

For, behold, these things have not been appointed unto him, neither shall anything be appointed unto any of this church contrary to the church covenants.  (D&C 28:12)

So, if you don’t want to obey the law of tithing, as it is written in D&C 119, because you think the Bible tithing laws are better, or if you don’t believe in polygamy and want to remove section 132 from the canon, or if you feel that the baptismal wording given to the Nephites in the Book of Mormon is more valid than the baptismal wording given to the Gentiles in the Doctrine and Covenants, these and many other beliefs are inspired of the evil one to get people looking away from the revelations of God, that they may be deceived, confounded and destroyed by him.

The Doctrine and Covenants (and other canonized revelations given through Joseph Smith) is the word of the Lord to the Gentiles.  It is Gentile-specific.  It is the fulfillment of: “and I shall also speak unto all nations of the earth and they shall write it” (2 Ne. 29:12.)

Out of the books which shall be written I will judge the world, every man according to their works, according to that which is written.  (2 Ne. 29:11)

A true prophet, then, that comes among the people, will encourage the Gentiles to more fully conform to the Book of Doctrine and Covenants.  More conformity, not less, is the mark of a true prophet.  It is also the mark of a true saint, and so all those Mormons who clamor for their leaders to reveal more, to change policies and doctrines, and more or less to alter the Book of Doctrine and Covenants to fit their worldview and philosophies, are under a deception of the devil.

Restoration is to be done by the two seers alone.  The presidents and leaders of the church have no authority to make any changes to the revelations of God, nor to add to them.  (But we know by Moroni’s prophecy in Mormon 8:33 that wicked people in the church will eventually end up transfiguring the holy word of God.)  Their only duty is to teach the revelations, while our duty, the duty of the membership, is to live and abide by those same revelations, conforming our lives to them.  And thus, pretty much everyone is under condemnation, for even the mainstream members, who have no desire to change the revelations, sin, by their conformity to what their leaders say, contrary to the revelations.  They do not “look to God” (Alma 37:47) like Alma taught, nor do they “look unto the revelations of God” as Moroni taught.  They merely look unto their leaders.

The second seer’s appearance will cause a change in current conditions, for, like the prophets that precede him, or are contemporary to him, he will insist upon acceptance of all of Joseph’s revelations and full compliance with them.  Unlike the prophets, though, he will take up the work of restoration where Joseph left off, receiving another Urim and Thummim and creating quite the dilemma for people, for they will wonder who they should follow.  Those who use the keys of discernment I am giving in this post will not be deceived, for they will know a true from a false prophet, a true from a false seer and a true from a false teacher.

Oliver and Hyrum were not the second seers

I suppose that some will point to Oliver Cowdery and later to Hyrum Smith as the seers who were appointed by Joseph, fulfilling the scriptures quoted at the beginning of this post, but neither Oliver nor Hyrum were seers like unto Moses, as Joseph was, but were appointed seers like unto Aaron.  The second seer that would come after Joseph would be like both Joseph and Moses, and not like Aaron.  It can be expected that this man will also have an Aaron-like assistant seer, just as Joseph had an assistant president (Oliver and later Hyrum.)  In other words, Joseph Smith and his actions and revelations were a type, foreshadowing the work and revelations the second seer would do and receive.

Joseph only laid the foundation; the second seer will complete the entire structure

The word, “fundamental,” means, “of or pertaining to the foundation.”  Joseph Smith was a fundamentalist, for his entire work and calling was simply to lay a foundation for the restoration of all things.

Behold, there shall be a record kept among you; and in it thou shalt be called a seer, a translator, a prophet, an apostle of Jesus Christ, an elder of the church through the will of God the Father, and the grace of your Lord Jesus Christ, being inspired of the Holy Ghost to lay the foundation thereof, and to build it up unto the most holy faith.  (D&C 21:1-2)

Therefore, marvel not at these things, for ye are not yet pure; ye can not yet bear my glory; but ye shall behold it if ye are faithful in keeping all my words that I have given you, from the days of Adam to Abraham, from Abraham to Moses, from Moses to Jesus and his apostles, and from Jesus and his apostles to Joseph Smith, whom I did call upon by mine angels, my ministering servants, and by mine own voice out of the heavens, to bring forth my work; which foundation he did lay, and was faithful; and I took him to myself.  (D&C 136:37-38)

It was his mission merely to start things and not to finish anything.  And, in fact, Joseph finished absolutely nothing, though he started many projects, which remain incomplete to this very day.  Unless one has a proper understanding of Joseph’s foundational mission, it would appear that his work was an utter failure, for he failed to bring forth the entire Book of Mormon, he failed to retain the Kirtland temple, he failed to build the Nauvoo temple, he failed to build the city of Zion and other cities, and so on and so forth.  Nevertheless, Joseph’s mission was, in point of fact, a total success.

The second seer will also be a fundamentalist, like Joseph.  Whatsoever Joseph did, will also be done by the second seer, except that this time it will be done to completion and with permanence.  Whereas Joseph was hindered by enemies both within the church and outside of it, to the point that he couldn’t finish anything, the second seer’s enemies will also try to hinder him, but will fail miserably.  The second seer will return to the foundation, finish it, and then build the rest of the structure.  We can expect, therefore, to see a return to polygamy, to the Kirtland-type of temple and outpouring of gifts, as at the day of Pentecost, to Nauvoo-type temples, also, but with more to them, to re-baptism and all other practices Joseph engaged in, which have either been abandoned or altered.  We can also expect to see city-building as a chief latter-day saint occupation.  And so on and so forth.

Thus, the second seer will be very much like Joseph Smith.  Fundamentalist Mormons, then, may find the new seer quite to their liking, whereas the LDS Mormon, who rejects polygamy and the rest of the early practices, may have a harder time following his leadership.

No one, except the second seer, is to build on the foundation

Since Joseph’s death to now, the church’s standing orders are simply to stick to the revelations he received and wait for further instructions from the Lord via the second seer.  Building upon the foundation Joseph laid, by adding new revelations (which did not proceed from Joseph) to the canon, or altering the canonized revelations of Joseph, or even just innovating—through policy, procedure and sustaining vote—a new doctrine that contradicts, nullifies, or goes beyond the limits established in, the revelations of Joseph, is all prohibited to the saints.  The saints are commanded to be bound, or are to bind themselves, only to the canonized revelations of Joseph Smith and to those of his successor, the second seer.

And now, behold, I give unto you a commandment,

that when ye are assembled together ye shall instruct and edify each other, that ye may know how to act and direct my church, how to act upon the points of my law and commandments, which I have given.

And thus ye shall become instructed in the law of my church, and be sanctified by that which ye have received, and ye shall bind yourselves to act in all holiness before me—

That inasmuch as ye do this, glory shall be added to the kingdom which ye have received. Inasmuch as ye do it not, it shall be taken, even that which ye have received.  (D&C 43:8-10)

It is the second seer alone that will expand the canon.  No one else is authorized to do so.  Everything currently in the canon, which did not proceed from Joseph Smith, is non-binding upon the saints (although it may be quite useful for instruction.)  Specifically, they are sections 134, 135, 136, 138, OD-1 and OD-2.  (Section 102 passes muster because it was the pattern given for the high council and was approved by Joseph Smith.)  The saints, then, can set these six sections and declarations aside, considering them either as words of wisdom, or as further light from the Lord, sent not by commandment nor by constraint, or as useful bits of history, instruction and advice.  The vision recorded in D&C 138 is merely an interesting personal revelation, canonized, so that everyone can read it.

No one, not even the second seer, is authorized to alter Joseph’s revelations.  He may only add to them, either with new sections, or by expanding the wording of one of Joseph’s revelations, as Joseph often did with his own revelations from one edition of the Doctrine and Covenants, to the next.  This is because the revelations of God are a continuous thought, like a divine radio talk show.  Even when the radio is turned off, the show transmits through the airwaves.  A revelation is the turning on of the divine radio and a recording of the words perceived, and then the radio is turned off again.  A seer can know of things past, present and future, meaning that a seer can turn on, or has the gift or capability of turning on, the divine radio, at any point of the program he desires, allowing a seer to add words to a revelation received years ago, even hundreds or thousands of years ago, or even to a revelation of the future.  Time is of no consequence to a seer.  Thus, the second seer is authorized to expand, even significantly expand, Joseph’s revelations, if desired (just as Joseph significantly expanded the Bible with the JST.)  Or, he may simply add his own revelations to the canon as new sections.  Or he may do both (for this is the prerogative of a seer.)  But he will not alter a revelation of Joseph, so that doctrines, commandments and principles have been transfigured.

Impostors, on the other hand, will alter Joseph’s revelations, changing doctrines and principles and commandments.  They will also add their own revelations to the canon and make them binding upon the saints.  The Community of Christ, for example, has a D&C that is a lot larger than ours, for they have added many things above and beyond Joseph’s revelations.  Their church is filled to the brim with impostors.

Our church, (the church of God), has less impostors than the splinter groups.  Although the saints routinely sustain the First Presidency and 12 apostles as prophets, seers and revelators, these 15 men do not go around publishing revelations and trying to get the saints bound to them through canonization.  They are content at their rock-star status and do not pretend to actually be the things they are sustained as being (prophets, seers and revelators.)  It is true that many members complain about the lack of new revelations, prophecies, visions, angelic ministrations, etc., from these men, but it is better to have the canon devoid of anything but Joseph’s true revelations, than filled up with false ones.  All saints, then, that read my words, ought to thank the Lord that we have only four sections and two declarations that do not proceed from the first or second seers, and also that our leaders do not pretend to receive that which they, in actuality, do not receive.  If the day ever comes that the leadership starts to claim to have received revelations and commandments “from the Lord” and seeks to canonize them, and to bind the saints to them, that is the day the Spirit of God has departed from them.

Everyone is entitled to personal revelations, and we can share them with others, if we want.  Personal revelation does not bind the saints, nor alter or add to the canon.  The instant anyone in this church tries to bind anyone else in this church to their personal revelation, is the instant the Spirit withdraws from that person.  A saint that has the spirit of prophecy and revelation can prophesy to his heart’s content, can call people to repentance, can reveal mysteries, etc., but he cannot bind the saints, nor even the sinners, to his revelations.  The standard of judgment for the Gentiles will only be the revelations of Joseph Smith and the second seer.

Now, these are keys to discern impostors, for many dissenters have claimed to have angels minister to them, or to have even seen the Lord, or to have received many revelations and prophesied many things.  “So what?” I say.  All of that, all of it, is personal.  The Lord will not send a man to preach to the latter-day saints anything other than the commandments of God that came through Joseph the seer.

Additionally, the Lord will not gather his saints out of the church until after the Gentiles have rejected the fullness of the gospel, as given by the second seer.  So all splinter groups that have departed from the main body of the saints, claiming the church is apostate, are in error and need to repent and come back.  The wheat will ripen among the tares only after the second seer shows up.

The revelations that the second seer receives, even his personal revelations, will be applicable to others.  In other words, he’ll be receiving revelations and commandments that others must abide by, otherwise they commit the sin of “denying the revelations of God.”  So, he is the sole exception to the general rule.

(I might also add, concerning personal revelations, that if you receive personal revelation that instructs you to alter or ignore God’s commandments in Joseph’s revelations, then that personal revelation proceeds from the evil one.  And any personal revelations that add new principles which contradict Joseph’s revelations, are also devil-inspired.)

James Strang and other impostors

James Strang (of the Strangites) came closest, I suppose, to making the proper claims of being the second seer.  He claimed Joseph appointed him prior to his death via a letter.  He claimed to see angels, to translate the Book of the Law of the Lord, he practiced polygamy, founded a city (Voree), etc.  But Strang died and never completed the restoration, thus his claims are and were bogus.  Others have also made similar claims of using a Urim and Thummim, translating ancient records, seeing angles (or even the Lord), etc.  Some claim to be the “one might and strong,” and some have published many new revelations.  None of these men, though, have done what Joseph did, nor are they like him.  They simply do not fit as the second seer.

Nevertheless, all of these false seers are instructive to the latter-day saints, for it shows that the devil believes in the very interpretation I am giving in this post, hence all the imitation second seers he sends.  The devil does not know when the second seer will appear and so immediately after Joseph’s death, in the midst of all the confusion as to who should lead the church, he immediately brought forth a second seer impostor (James Strang), in case the Lord raised up His second seer to the church at once.  Strang is instructive because he came with a claim of having been appointed by Joseph Smith.  Had the second seer really appeared at that time, he would have claimed the same, and so the devil needed to put forth a counter-claim.  Strang was rejected by the body and soon this “appointed by Joseph” principle was disbelieved until it was entirely forgotten about by the saints.  Now, when someone brings it up, the saints merely think that Hyrum was the one appointed, and he died with Joseph, so they just don’t think about a “second seer” doctrine anymore, choosing to believe, instead, that their 15 general leaders are all seers.  As a result, the devil has changed his strategy.  He still brings forth, from time to time, impostor second seers, but they never claim appointment by Joseph Smith, for nobody believes in that anymore.  When the real second seer shows up, he will make the proper claim of appointment by Joseph, which people will think is ridiculous and preposterous, therefore all impostor seers have ceased making such a claim, yet the devil still brings them forth, for he is still expecting the man’s appearance and needs false seers on the scene.

(Interestingly enough, because I am now publishing this post which re-teaches the saints about the requirement of appointment by Joseph of a second seer, if the saints believe my words, the devil will have to change his strategy once again, and return to another Strang-type impostor.)

The silliness must stop

Prophets will prophesy, revelators will receive revelations and seers will use a Urim and Thummim, therefore it is simply silly to “sustain” a man as a prophet, seer and revelator—who doesn’t manifest the spirit of prophecy and revelation, nor the gift of seership—simply because of his priesthood office and title.  The First Presidency and 12 apostles have the gift of the Holy Ghost, as we all do as latter-day saints, and they are entitled to receive heavenly guidance in their office and calling, to perform their duties, like the rest of us.  Let’s leave it at that.  There is no reason to make them equal to Joseph or to the second seer.  In fact, there is a very great danger to making them equal to these seers.

This scripture refers to Joseph, not to the office

And again, the duty of the President of the office of the High Priesthood is to preside over the whole church, and to be like unto Moses—behold, here is wisdom; yea, to be a seer, a revelator, a translator, and a prophet, having all the gifts of God which he bestows upon the head of the church.  (D&C 107:91-92)

Joseph Smith was “the President of the office of the High Priesthood” at the time this revelation was received, and he was the head of the church.  These verses do not mean that every man ordained to this office is a prophet, seer, revelator and translator, only that this was Joseph’s duty while occupying the office.  The duty of all those that came after Joseph, who occupied this office, would be to teach Joseph’s revelations.

It is perfectly okay to say, “No.”

When the saints are asked, “Do you sustain so-and-so or such-and-such men as prophets, seers and revelators?” it is proper and reasonable and wise to say, “No,” or to raise the hand in opposition.  No one but Joseph Smith and the second seer ought to be sustained by hand or voice as seers, revelators, translators or prophets to the church.  It simply should not be done, ever.  Doing so opens the door to a false seer or prophet or revelator corrupting the revelations and the church.  This practice, then, must stop, but people are naturally timid and do not want to make waves, so I suppose it will continue unabated, at least until the second seer shows up and starts making waves.

Why seership is the greatest gift of God

Now Ammon said unto him:

I can assuredly tell thee, O king, of a man that can translate the records; for he has wherewith that he can look, and translate all records that are of ancient date; and it is a gift from God. And the things are called interpreters, and no man can look in them except he be commanded, lest he should look for that he ought not and he should perish. And whosoever is commanded to look in them, the same is called seer.  And behold, the king of the people who are in the land of Zarahemla is the man that is commanded to do these things, and who has this high gift from God.

And the king said

that a seer is greater than a prophet.

And Ammon said

that a seer is a revelator and a prophet also; and a gift which is greater can no man have, except he should possess the power of God, which no man can; yet a man may have great power given him from God.

But a seer can know of things which are past, and also of things which are to come, and by them shall all things be revealed, or, rather, shall secret things be made manifest, and hidden things shall come to light, and things which are not known shall be made known by them, and also things shall be made known by them which otherwise could not be known.

Thus God has provided a means that man, through faith, might work mighty miracles; therefore he becometh a great benefit to his fellow beings.

And now, when Ammon had made an end of speaking these words the king rejoiced exceedingly, and gave thanks to God, saying:

Doubtless a great mystery is contained within these plates, and these interpreters were doubtless prepared for the purpose of unfolding all such mysteries to the children of men.  (Mosiah 8:13-19)

Since all things can be revealed through a seer, including all the laws and mysteries of God—which laws and mysteries allow men to know how to be saved and exalted and how to obtain all the blessings that come from God—a seer is of greater benefit to his fellow man than a prophet, a miracle worker, a healer, or any other gift.  Seership not only is of greater benefit to men than other gifts, but seership also has a wider sphere of influence, meaning it benefits more men, than any other gift.  In other words, more men can be saved through the gift of seership than through any other gift.  (This shows the general ignorance of the latter-day saints, for we emphasize the lesser gift of prophecy and de-emphasize the greater gift of seership, when referring to Joseph Smith, routinely referring to him as “the Prophet Joseph Smith” or simply as “the Prophet”—with a capital “P,” as if that makes it a greater gift—instead of taking Iddo the Seer as our pattern and calling Joseph, “Joseph Smith the Seer.”  No one had any idea of what a seer was or what the difference between a seer and a prophet was, until Joseph came along, and it is apparent that the latter-day saints are still clueless, confused and befuddled, preferring to use the less mysterious and more known title of, “prophet,” than, “seer.”)

If a society is blessed with a seer, it means that God has favored them above all others.  The way we show our gratitude towards God for His bestowal of this high gift is by providing for the seer, that he may dedicate all of his time to the work of obtaining the laws and mysteries of God, and by living by the revelations and commandments he receives.

Purge ye out the iniquity which is among you; sanctify yourselves before me; and if ye desire the glories of the kingdom, appoint ye my servant Joseph Smith, Jun., and uphold him before me by the prayer of faith.

And again, I say unto you,

that if ye desire the mysteries of the kingdom, provide for him food and raiment, and whatsoever thing he needeth to accomplish the work wherewith I have commanded him;

and if ye do it not he shall remain unto them that have received him, that I may reserve unto myself a pure people before me.  (D&C 43:11-14)

Then the Lord would be pleased and would pour out his laws and mysteries to that people, and they would retain that seer with them, or would always have a seer among them, like the Nephites had through much of their history.

If, however, a society is not blessed with a seer, the way to obtain a seer is by living by the revelations and commandments given to the previous seer, with exactness, and then praying to God—in faith, believing He will hear and answer your prayers, nothing doubting—for a seer.  (If the saints were to do this, the second seer would be sent or would appear among the people, lickety-split.)

It takes a seer

The double seer pattern is historical and is based upon patterns found in the Book of Mormon.  Lehi was a seer and received new revelations and commandments for his people, which added to what a previous seer, Moses, had revealed.  Nephi, his son, was another seer and he instituted a monarchy among the people, through new revelations.  Jacob and the Jacobites were a genealogical line of prophets and we read that the Nephites had exceedingly many prophets among them, who merely preached repentance, but when Mosiah comes along, he is singled out because he’s not just a prophet, but a seer, and he ends up making a major change, moving the people off of the promised land, through many revelations that he received and by the power of the Lord’s arm (which is a type of how the people of the Lord will return to that land.)  Benjamin, his son, is also of note, though the record doesn’t specify whether he’s a seer or not.  But when Mosiah, Benjamin’s son, becomes king, he is spoken of in definite terms as a seer.  And Mosiah the seer ends up ending the monarchy and establishing a government of judges, all through new revelations of God.

Seers, not prophets, are what God uses to make known new divine laws and principles.  A prophet is used to call people to repentance, so that they comply with the laws of God revealed by His seers.  Seers are sent to restore something old which was lost, or to build something new, which was never known.  This knowledge of the difference between a seer and a prophet ought to cause the latter-day saints to relax and feel safe, for they need not be deceived by anyone making false claims, for no mere prophet can build upon the foundation Joseph laid.

God set up the two-seer pattern for the latter-day saints so that they could just focus their daily energies on fully complying with Joseph’s revelations.  They need not worry about being led astray, neither by church leadership, nor by church dissenters, nor by outside influences.  If the person or group, whether inside or outside of the church, was attempting to lead them contrary to the revelations, they could set him or them aside and ignore them, for no one is authorized to go contrary to the revelations, regardless of priesthood authority or office.  Joseph’s revelations, then, are a safety feature of seers, given by God to His saints that they may dwell safely and in peace and not be deceived.  The only exception is when God sends another seer to reveal more laws, but in the case of the latter-day saints, there will be only two seers sent, and one has already come.

A saint need only ask himself one question when dealing with the revelatory claims of another: “Is this the second seer?”  If the answer to that question is an obvious, “no,” then get back to the business of keeping the commandments of God as found in Joseph’s revelations.  If the answer to the question is an obvious, “yes,” then you had better start complying with the new seer’s revelations, too.  The answer will always be obvious, for the second seer’s appearance will be dramatic and dynamic, just as Joseph’s calling and work was.  The second seer’s work will “feel” like the restoration had been re-started from where it left off, as if the saints of today were suddenly thrust back in time to Joseph’s day.  This is because, like I said, time is irrelevant to seers (and also to God), for they operate on God’s level or perspective, seeing things as He sees them.  That’s why they are called seers.  They don’t get a bird’s eye view, they get a God’s eye view.  So the second seer will cause the saints to feel like they are in a time warp.

Again, it is the jot-and-tittle principle.  Everything said about the law of Moses in the following scripture applies to the revelations given through Joseph Smith:

And there were no contentions, save it were a few that began to preach, endeavoring to prove by the scriptures that it was no more expedient to observe the law of Moses. Now in this thing they did err, having not understood the scriptures.  But it came to pass that they soon became converted, and were convinced of the error which they were in, for it was made known unto them that the law was not yet fulfilled, and that it must be fulfilled in every whit; yea, the word came unto them that it must be fulfilled; yea, that one jot or tittle should not pass away till it should all be fulfilled; therefore in this same year were they brought to a knowledge of their error and did confess their faults.  (3 Ne. 1:24-25)

So, when the Lord told the saints to build a city opposite of Nauvoo and to call it, Zarahemla, and the saints didn’t do it, it doesn’t mean that the Lord then said, “Oh, okay, well, then, just forget about it.”  Guess what?  The saints still need to build that city of Zarahemla!  It is still His will that it be built and this jot or tittle found in D&C 125:3 must still be fulfilled.  Or, when Joseph wrote of his First Vision,

He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time.  (JS—H 1:20)

Guess what?  Joseph never ended up writing the full vision, but it’s got to be written, or restored, and who will do it?  The second seer will.  Who will cause the saints to build Zarahemla?  The second seer will.  All these revelatory frays, unfinished accounts and projects, abbreviations and abridgments and failures need to be successfully completed and restored.  And they will be, but the experience of taking up these previous labors and projects will feel unreal to the modern-day saints.  So the appearance and work of the second seer will be unmistakable.

Come back to the fold

All those who have left the church of God (the LDS church) will be called back into her by the second seer, for building up the church (kingdom) of God has always been the work of seers.  But there is no need to wait for his appearance.  If you believe in Joseph’s revelations and desire to comply with them, then repent of your sins and return to the fold and comply with them.  Again, comply with the revelations, not necessarily with the contrary dictates of church leadership.  It may be that if the second seer shows up without the church being properly prepared for his advent, the shock might cause many members to reject him.  If those—who have resigned their membership, or those who have simply stopped attending, or the splinter groups that have never been LDS, except for some distant ancestor—return to the fold, to the body of the saints, and start complying with the letter of the law, this may act as a preparation for the church, and many more saints may recognize him for what he is.

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  1. I do not have time to proof-read this post and I want to get it out today, so off it goes. If it has typos or links that don’t work, I’ll correct them later. Also, there were a few more things I could have expounded on, that this post mentioned, but they were topics that went off in other directions, and I wanted to keep the topic focused and tight, so I left them out. If, when I’m proof-reading the post later on, I am reminded of these other topics and the additional exposition I had in my mind, then I’ll either put them down here in the comments, or in another post. Or, maybe I’ll just let them go back into my brain, for personal consumption only…

  2. “Every man who lived on the earth,” Joseph said to them, “was entitled to a seer stone, and should have one, but they are kept from them in consequence of their wickedness, and most of those who do find one make evil use of it.”

    (Brigham Young’s journal, as quoted in Latter-day Millennial Star, 26:118,119)

    At what point do we all become prophets, seers, and revelators?

    Anyway, interesting post. Thanks.

  3. Typos have now been corrected.

    At what point do we all become prophets, seers, and revelators?

    I’m not sure whether this was a rhetorical question or not, but I’ll try to answer it anyway.

    In this life, the saints will become prophets, seers and revelators through the work of the second seer, who will succeed at performing the very work that many of the previous seers had failed at: sanctifying the people so that they could behold the Lord. Enoch the seer, for example, succeeded with his people, and they were all brought into the presence of the Lord, whereas Moses tried to sanctify the people but failed. Joseph Smith also made the attempt and failed. But the second seer will succeed, and this will initiate the great Millennium, which will be full of sanctified prophets, seers and revelators.

    In the next life, everyone that inherits a kingdom of glory becomes a seer.

    But to more specifically answer your question, we will become seers only after we have demonstrated exact compliance with all the revelations of the Joseph Smith.

  4. joseph smith was a mason a light bringer .

  5. Great post, but it leads to a couple of questions.
    1) Can we really rely on all of the current D&C as scripture? One doesn’t need to dig very deep into church history to find that Brigham was a revisionist. The last D&C edition that Joseph would have overseen was the 1844 version, which didn’t include section 119 or 132. As you mentioned, Moroni saw that the modern day church would transfigure the word of God. Therefore, all sections added after the 1844 version seem to be suspect.
    2) Will the second seer really work within the confines of the modern corporate church? Patterns of the past seem to indicate that he will be an outsider. If so, tying oneself to the modern church and participating in prophet worship will only lead to blind eyes, deaf ears, and fat hearts. Won’t we be given the same test as the Jews in Christ’s day? Fear of being thrown out of the synagogue kept many from believing and confessing He was the Christ. Should it be any easier for us? Isaiah 11, also speaks of this second seer, as an ensign that will assemble the outcasts of Israel, aren’t the outcasts those who have been rejected by the corporate church. They are the ones that are waiting for the Lord to set his hand the second time to gather Israel.

  6. Nathan, I’m not sure whether you actually want me to answer your questions. Perhaps these were just more rhetorical questions and your mind is already made up? But I’ll answer them anyway, according to my understanding.

    Can we really rely on all of the current D&C as scripture?

    Yes, we can, at least the stuff that purports to come from Joseph Smith. From the Wikipedia entry on the Doctrine and Covenants:

    In 1844, the church added eight sections not included in the 1835 edition. In the current edition, these added sections are numbered 103, 105, 112, 119, 124, 127, 128, and 135.

    In 1876, a new LDS Church edition renumbered most of the sections in a roughly chronological order instead of the earlier topical order, and included 26 sections not included in previous editions, now numbered as sections 2, 13, 77, 85, 87, 108–111, 113–118, 120–123, 125, 126, 129–132, and 136. Previous editions had been divided into verses with the early versifications generally following the paragraph structure of the original text. It was with the 1876 edition that the currently used versification was first employed.

    So, the 1844 edition did include the revelation that now is assigned section number 119. But Joseph was dead before the edition was printed, so perhaps we should throw out sections 103, 105, 112, 119, 124, 127, 128, and 135? Might not there have been some revisionist stuff thrown in after his death? And Joseph was also dead by 1876, so perhaps we ought to throw out sections 2, 13, 77, 85, 87, 108–111, 113–118, 120–123, 125, 126, 129–132, and 136, which were added to that edition? “Sections 137 and 138 were added to the LDS Church’s 1981 edition of the Doctrine and Covenants, which is the edition currently in use by the church.” Perhaps we ought to throw out those sections, too?

    I believe LDS scholarship on the revelations of Joseph is actually pretty darn good. These guys don’t just throw up any ole revelation and affix Joseph’s name to it. They drag their feet until they are quite sure that it was actually one of his. And they don’t publish all his revelations, either, even when they believe it was his. This reticence on their part to publish or make corrections until they have made sure all the facts line up allows us to trust the Book of Doctrine and Covenants as containing authentic revelations of Joseph Smith.

    Besides all that, though, does not the Spirit confirm the truth of the revelations of Joseph found in the Doctrine and Covenants? It does to me. If you do not trust the scholarship, then trust the Spirit. Is that not what we do with the Book of Mormon, which has no proper, scholarly provenance?

    Will the second seer really work within the confines of the modern corporate church?

    My understanding is that he will be a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or, I should say, that he is already a member of this church, for I have indications that this man is already among us. When he will be taken out of his weakness and go forth among us as a seer is unknown to me. It may be before the church is broken up, it may be after it is broken up. I do not know at this time.

    I do not advocate prophet worship, which is why I said in the post, “If you believe in Joseph’s revelations and desire to comply with them, then repent of your sins and return to the fold and comply with them. Again, comply with the revelations, not necessarily with the contrary dictates of church leadership.” We are to bind ourselves to the revelations of God, and that requires that we are part of the church of God, which is currently the LDS church. “Blind eyes, deaf ears, and fat hearts” only comes from non-compliance with Joseph’s revelations.

    Won’t we be given the same test as the Jews in Christ’s day?

    I already wrote on this topic, I believe, in the post, Talking to myself. But then, I was talking to myself and I don’t expect that anyone actually heard or believed those words. So, I will say again that the test is that we are to keep the covenant to live by the word of God, which are God’s words He has put into our hands through Joseph Smith the seer. Christ came along, giving the words of God, and they (the Jews) rejected His words. But they also rejected the words of the previous seer (Moses). If they had not rejected Moses’ words, but had actually lived them, they would have accepted Christ’s teachings as the word of God, or the new laws given by the new seer. Christ was the prophet that was to be like Moses, after all. This is the test. If we are obeying and complying with Joseph’s words, as given in the revelations and commandments he received, then when the next seer shows up, we won’t reject his words. But if we are not willing to live by Joseph’s words, then when the next seer shows up, we won’t be willing to live by his words, either. This is the test. No one can be thrown out of the church anymore, I have already shown that from the The doctrine against dissent post. So, no one need fear repercussions. Just live the revelations, as they stand, and let the (non-)consequences follow. All need to unite with the saints, and if the saints do not let them in (through baptism or re-baptism), unite with them anyway.

    I suppose I may have to unfold this principle further, perhaps in another post, but I’m not sure if it will do any good to do so.

  7. Yes I am open minded so please do comment further. The only things I have made up my mind about are:
    1) God the Father lives and loves us
    2) Jesus is the Christ and Redeemer of Israel
    3) The Holy Ghost is a very real power for good
    4) The Book of Mormon is true
    5) The Bible, both Old and New Testaments, contain far more truth, doctrine, and covenants of the Lord to his people than we, as the LDS church, believe it does.
    6) The D&C and PofGP contain the gospel of Jesus Christ – I really hadn’t thought of questioning any of it until I read your post.
    7) Something is not right with the church. I have spent most of my career in corporate america and the church seems more and more like work and less and less like the gospel. I have prayed & studied long and hard about it, but as yet no clear direction on which way to go or what to do. So until that comes, I’ll keep reading, praying, pondering and cringing in sacrament meeting, gospel doctrine, and priesthood meeting.

  8. Yes I am open minded so please do comment further.

    Okay.

    The D&C and PofGP contain the gospel of Jesus Christ – I really hadn’t thought of questioning any of it until I read your post.

    Ouch. The last thing I wanted was to have people questioning it. When I mentioned the transfiguring of the word of God, I meant that this was still future to us. It hasn’t happened, yet. I know people will point to the various editions of the Book of Mormon, the various editions of the book of Doctrine and Covenants, the Book of Commandments and the subsequent changes to the revelations of Joseph, performed by his own hand, etc. But these things are not the fulfillment of that prophecy, nor constitute transfiguration. This is just a misunderstanding of what a seer can and cannot do. Also, it is a misunderstanding of Moroni’s prophecy, or a misapplication of it, for our time is not the time of its fulfillment, but we can fully expect that at some point the wicked are going to have some fun with the revelations. As of right now, though, we ain’t there, yet. Everyone out there crying apostasy and saying the leadership is corrupt and that we’ve got to abandon the church doesn’t know what they are talking about. This is just the second stage of the church. The next stage, the third stage, is when things will get ugly and these and other prophecies will be fulfilled. But the third stage is not homogenized, but contains a first stage group of saints and prophets, who are within the church, where they are supposed to be, and this is how these prophecies will come to pass. Those saying abandon the church now, while it is still in the second stage, are either misinformed or, worse yet, operatives of the devil, for it is the plan of the devil to take this church into its third stage, and the last thing he wants in it are saints and prophets bringing it back to its first stage. Make no mistake about it, though, the saints and prophets in the church will bring the church back to its first stage, and the wicked both within the church and outside of it, will be destroyed. Although I have written about the break up of the church, even, in fact, prophesying about it, I never meant to imply that the church of God would cease to exist. There is an effectual battle to be waged both within the church, and also outside of it, but all saints are to be within the church, and all sinners are to become converted and be baptized and enter in, becoming saints. It is these revelations of Joseph, and our obedience to them, or disobedience to them, that will bring on the conflict between real saints and professed saints. Those who think they can obey the revelations apart from the church of God are mistaken or deceived. I’ve said previously on this blog that there are only a few exceptions to the rule of gathering with the saints as a church body. Unless you are on some temporary assignment of the Holy Ghost, or your life is in danger at church, etc., you are to attend the church meetings and perform your church duties, keeping your covenants. I can say more on this topic, but it will have to wait for another day and another post. I am glad, though, to read of all these things that you have made up your mind on, for they are all true things and I have also come to these same conclusions that you have.

  9. I have no time to give you a lengthy response as I usually do, but if you read Section of D&C you will see that Oliver had the gift of Aaron which is the very same gift Moses Had to receive revelations directly from GOD as Joseph Smith did. And, if my compass that takes me to the thing I want most is not failing me. You do not need to be an apostle, a prophet or even a seer to administer the letter of the GOSPEL. Thus far as we know, a Presiding High Priest of the Aaronic priesthood fully endowed and prepared to officiate in his calling in the power and spirit of Elias as John the Baptist, with the very scepter of Power in his hand, in whose the very name of GOD is written, he can make any change he deems necessary to the revelations of GOD as long as it is agreeable to the revelations and commandments.

    For the Lesser and not necessarily the Higher priesthood is the one that has the Keys of the Ministering of Angels, of the gospel of repentance, of the letter of the gospel and of Baptism by immersion for the remision of sins. Therefore, unless all things a written and understood in the Hebrew Language or a higher one, all other languages will have inperfections. So, I get hazy when people Criticize the church for making a change here and there in the scriptures, when no body gives a fuzz if Isaiah comes and scrambles the whole bible to confuse the hell out of us and cause us to stumble, backslide and fall to rise no more. If you are looking for that enigmatic Lamanite prophet or teacher that is a descendant from Mulek as well as of Joseph in whom there is laid much power and to whom by lineage belong the keys of the Kingdom, that is to come all of you have so much love to talk about who already dethroned a standing prophet named elkenaH who tried to steady the ark of GOD with unlclean hands, with his shaft of lighting, look no further. He is the one writing to you under the inspiration of the first seer.

    Gazelem Ix-Miquili-Pan-TL

    scribe

    elugiM

  10. 1 Oliver Cowdery, verily, verily, I say unto you, that assuredly as the Lord liveth, who is your God and your Redeemer, even so surely shall you receive a knowledge of whatsoever things you shall ask in faith, with an honest heart, believing that you shall receive a knowledge concerning the engravings of old records, which are ancient, which contain those parts of my scripture of which has been spoken by the manifestation of my Spirit.

    2 Yea, behold, I will tell you in your mind and in your heart, by the Holy Ghost, which shall come upon you and which shall dwell in your heart.

    3 Now, behold, this is the spirit of revelation; behold, this is the spirit by which Moses brought the children of Israel through the Red Sea on dry ground.

    4 Therefore this is thy gift; apply unto it, and blessed art thou, for it shall deliver you out of the hands of your enemies, when, if it were not so, they would slay you and bring your soul to destruction.

    5 Oh, remember these words, and keep my commandments. Remember, this is your gift.

    6 Now this is not all thy gift; for you have another gift, which is the gift of Aaron; behold, it has told you many things;

    7 Behold, there is no other power, save the power of God, that can cause this gift of Aaron to be with you.

    8 Therefore, doubt not, for it is the gift of God; and you shall hold it in your hands, and do marvelous works; and no power shall be able to take it away out of your hands, for it is the work of God.

    9 And, therefore, whatsoever you shall ask me to tell you by that means, that will I grant unto you, and you shall have knowledge concerning it.

    10 Remember that without faith you can do nothing; therefore ask in faith. Trifle not with these things; do not ask for that which you ought not.

    11 Ask that you may know the mysteries of God, and that you may translate and receive knowledge from all those ancient records which have been hid up, that are sacred; and according to your faith shall it be done unto you.

    12 Behold, it is I that have spoken it; and I am the same that spake unto you from the beginning. Amen.

  11. Doctrine and Covenants 107:20

    20 The power and authority of the lesser, or Aaronic Priesthood, is to hold the keys of the ministering of angels, and to administer in outward ordinances, the letter of the gospel, the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins, agreeable to the covenants and commandments.

  12. Let him who has eyes to read understand:

    Exodus 23:21

    Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.

    Who is this Guy that even the prophets need to be careful not to offend him? He is the very executioner of the LAW OF GOD, the very same angel that delivered Abraham from the High Priest of Pharoah when he was about to sacrifice him to pagan idols. ,The very same angel who lead the children of Israel when the LORD was so wroth with his people and even with Moses that he could not be near to them without wiping them out of existence. The very same guy who almost destroyed all the people when King David committed the imprudence to conduct an unauthorized Census of the people. The one who fought against the children of Israel as when the priesthood fight against its own people for not adhering to the commandments of GOD and who stroke Alma and his companions when they were about to destroy the church. He is the one who fight your battles against the devil and all the apostates of this church. He is the ugly man of your dreams that makes you startle. The very same that is sent to sent the snows on winter, to make trains crash, to make birds to fall and cities to be alarmed.

    You can see him in action here.

    O repent ye, repent ye! Why will ye die? Turn ye, turn ye unto the Lord your God. Why has he forsaken you?

    http://voiceofwarning.blogspot.com/2015/02/o-repent-ye-repent-ye-why-will-ye-die.html

    I
    Can two friends walk together,
    except they both agree?
    Will a lion roar in the forest,
    when he has not taken a prey?
    Will a young lion cry out of his den,
    if he has taken nothing at all?
    Can a bird fall in a snare upon the earth,
    where no snare set is for him?
    Shall one take up a snare from the earth,
    and have fetching nothing at all?

    II
    Shall a trumpet be blown in the city,
    and the people not become sorely alarmed?
    shall there take place evil in a city,
    and the Lord hath not KNOWN it?
    Surely the Lord God will do nothing,
    without first revealing his secret
    To whom, but unto his servants
    the apostles and prophets.
    For after their testimony,
    comes wrath and indignation upon the people
    Like unto the pains of a woman
    with child in labor,
    increasingly sore, blowing and humming
    pain, blood and vapor of smoke upon the people

    III
    The lion hath roared
    from the heights of Mount Zion,
    who will not fear?
    the Lord God has spoken
    from lofty hills of Jerusalem,
    the Holy City,
    who can do anything, but prophesy?

    Amos 3:7

    Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

  13. And here:

    LA PAGA DEL PECADO ES MUERTE

    http://vozdeamonestacion.blogspot.com/2015/01/la-paga-del-pecado-es-muerte.html

    Buscad a quien amar y amad a quien escojaiss, pero sabed bien esto, que es mejor casarse que quemarse. Eso es lo que yo os propongo porque la paga del pecado es muerte, pero el don de Dios es vida eterna en Jesucristo, nuestro Senior. El nos manda a todos a que vengamos a el y seamos salvos. Porque escrito esta que la paga del pecado es muerte.

    · Romanos 6:23
    Porque la paga del pecado es muerte, pero la dádiva de Dios es vida eterna en Cristo Jesús, Señor nuestro.

    Therefore, go and tell that fox that I have preached today, that I will continued to preach to morrow and the day after tomorrow, for my hour has not yet come.

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  15. Thus far that is 573 ilustrated, athoritative and soul binding blogs that have been sent individually to thousands of people first to the Gentiles and then to the Jews by direct email, by commends in blogs such as this, by social media and by other telestial means. These include local leadership and general authorities of the church, inlcluding the apostles and prophets, kings, rulers and governors, firends, strangers, saints and sinners, faitful members and apostates and they all keep their mouth shut for the see what they had not seen before and the consider that which has never been told to them. These are Blogs of ~20 pages each for which I have landed in Psychiatric hospitals, jails, been poisoned with deadly substances, persecuted, rejected and cast into the very pit of hell. And who has been sent to prisons that you would not even know exist where I have seen and communed with the infirm and the transgressors, and alos your friends like Joseph Smith, William Tyndale, Isaiah, Elijah, Abraham, Lehi, Columbus, the Kennedys, and also worst enemies like Hitler, Leonidas, Obama’s Father, Hugo Chavez, Castro, Rasputin and Putin, just to name a Few. Because when you don’ t fulfill your Priestly duties as presently constituted somebody has to do your dirty laundry and the work that nobody wants to do, including acceptable sacrifices for your sins and filthiness that you have committed after baptism and for which you have to atone yourselves or perish. I have been at work since I was blessed and named by your elders in my home country, the Bottomless Pit or Honduras some forty years ago. I begun to have visions since I was seven, that is when I begun to burn like a fire. At four, I tried to circumcise myself. And At seventeen I conducted my first sacrifice and begun my ministry on and off until now. If there are any volunteers that want to take my place go ahead, make my day. I am the man with the AX ot the Hatchet man that is laid at the root every tree. And every tree that does not bring fruits meet for repentance is hewn down and cast into the fire from whence no traveler returns leaving nothing half burned and where no root or branch is left standing.

    I am sorry I am a bit rude, but somebody tried to kill me with poison gas and I am on my defensive mode full of the reprehension of the LORD like a bull in a net.

    Hope this answers some of your questions and if not, some day I will.

    Mickey Moshe. TL

  16. Here are some links to a four part series we did on the US Special Operations Command Exercise Jade Helm and the establishment of the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank. These issues are at the heart of Mormon Doctrine and Prophecy.

    Jade Helm Youtube Clip Links

    Jade Helm and the Synagogue of Satan Introduction

    Jade Helm and the Synagogue of Satan One

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  19. I wondered today whether the law of witnesses–that every word of the Lord shall be established in the mouth of two or three witnesses–required that there be two Josephite restorers (meaning that they bear the name of Joseph), the first being Joseph Smith and the second being Joseph-Nephi-Lehi. Joseph Smith strikes me, and always has struck me, as a single witness. I suppose that others will say that Oliver, Hyrum, Martin, David and Sydney all constituted second through sixth witnesses, but I’ve never put those five guys on the same level as Joseph Smith. His witness was unique and his gift was of seership. Those guys, although they might have gotten the title of seer (Oliver and Hyrum), never really manifested that gift, not, at least, anywhere near Joseph. So, to me it has always been as if God sent a single, solitary witness, in the form of Joseph Smith, Jun. A second seer, sent with an equally (or more) powerful gift of seership as Joseph Smith had would fulfill the law of witnesses better than those guys, I think.

    I know that some people might be expecting Joseph Smith to come back and finish the restoration of all things, but that still would be only one witness. So, it seems to me that it absolutely needs to be a different man, that this law be fulfilled.

    Another thought that I had some time ago, which I suppose I’ll briefly mention now, is that all things must be restored, good and bad. I don’t want to elaborate on that, though. Maybe some other time.

  20. Continuing on with the thought of the previous comment…

    Joseph Smith, Jun., Joseph-Nephi-Lehi and John the beloved apostle seem to me to fulfill the law of witnesses, as restorers and also as preparers (preparing the way of the Lord by restoring), but the law is that there will be two (the two Josephs) or three (the two Josephs and the one John) witnesses, but that God will send as many witnesses as seemeth Him good. So, it can be expected that there will be more restorers/preparers (i.e. Eliases) coming than just these three. I have taught on this blog that every tribe of Israel (and there are 12 tribes) will take part in the restoration of all things, and that they will have their own prophets participating in it. It seems to me, then, that there will likely be 12 Eliases, one from each tribe. Joseph Smith and Joseph-Nephi-Lehi are the double Eliases from Ephraim/Manasseh heritage that lead the Gentiles, whereas the other Eliases will have tribe specific duties. Nevertheless, it seems to me that Joseph Smith, Jun. is the chief seer over the Gentiles, that even after the second seer shows up and leads the Gentiles and Nephites back to build Zion, that it will be Joseph Smith, Jun. that will be the seer over the Gentiles, while Joseph-Nephi-Lehi will be the seer over the Nephites, his people. John will be the seer over the tribe of Judah. The other Eliases (seers) will be the seers for their particular tribe. I suppose that there will be a seer over the tribe of Ephraim, meaning the literal tribe of Ephraim, not the Gentiles put into it, and that that seer will not be Joseph Smith, Jun., but someone else. In other words, when all is said an done, it seems to me that the Gentiles who started out in Ephraim and then ended up in Manasseh, will be given a sort of thirteenth tribal status, with their own seer over them (Joseph Smith). Now, I’m just speculating on the doctrine of Elias here. These thoughts are probably all wrong, but it seems to me that the laws given to the Gentiles are Gentile-specific and were always intended to be perpetual, even after they have been gathered together with the real or literal (by blood) tribes of Israel, so that the revelations of Joseph will not just be “done away” with the gathering, nor will they suddenly be applicable to the Nephites or other tribes of Israel, which will have their own laws, tailored to their own conditions, I suppose, and with their own seers and prophets.

    But one thing I am sure of, regardless of how right or wrong the above speculations prove to be: that the Elias that will head all the Eliases that will be coming will be the Nephite Elias: Joseph-Nephi-Lehi. He is the one that will be directing even the other Eliases.

  21. The puzzle of the restoration of all things

    It seems to me that the Nephite Elias (as well as the other Eliases that show up) will have power to prophetically see what specific things will need to come back, which then will bring all related things back. In other words, the restoration of all things is not that an Elias–and I will use the Nephite Elias as the example, since his ministry pertains specifically to the Gentiles–must restore each and every thing himself, but that things are grouped or arranged by type, in a kind of domino order, so that all the Nephite needs to do is knock over (restore) one single piece of any of the various orders, and all the other dominoes of that order fall down, into place. So, although the restoration of all things is a great work, is is accomplished by effecting vast change with minimal effort (small means), by bringing back one thing that causes a huge change in society, and which then causes society to either themselves bring back all the other things of that order, (which are related to the newly restored thing), or to be willing to accept the return of all the other things of that order, so that the Nephite can bring all the things back of that order and all these things will remain.

    Permanence is what it is all about, so restoration is not about a revival, which may be of a temporary nature, coming and then going away. No, the Nephite will restore what he will restore, and it will be according to his desires, which I suppose will be prophetically guided, so that he feels or perceives that that one thing will restore all the rest of that thing’s order, so that that thing will remain permanently in society, as well as the other things that pertain to its order.

    I use the word order because they seem to me to be by groups, groups of things, of a set order, like puzzle pieces that pertain to a specific puzzle. Society goes through things in more or less random order, each new thing being a piece of a puzzle, but because society discards the pieces when new pieces show up, it can never get sense of which puzzle the piece belongs to, nor how to fit everything together.

    For example, if there are three puzzle sets, of three different pictures, and as time goes on a piece of one of the puzzles is given by God to society, by inspiration, because of man’s curiosity and diligent searching, and then another piece, of another puzzle is given, and the second piece improves or seems “better” than the first piece, the Gentiles will discard the first piece, considering it obsolete, and continue with the second. Yet the first piece, if they only had understanding, never even pertained to the puzzle of the second piece, but was an integral part of the first puzzle. By discarding it, they have shot themselves in the foot at ever learning what the first picture looked like. As time goes on, this constant discarding of puzzle pieces in favor of new puzzle pieces that come along makes it impossible to ever put the pieces of the three puzzles together.

    The restorer, on the other hand, has the mission to complete these three puzzles, thus, all discarded pieces must come back and be put together, to prepare the way for the return of the Lord, for all things must be prepared, both in order and in beauty, before He comes. So, to the restorer, nothing is obsolete, but absolutely necessary. Nevertheless, nothing is ever given in perfection, (for perfection is the puzzle put together). Thus, he will begin to restore things, even things that don’t seem all that important, or even of any spiritual nature. And he will also begin to perfect the restorations, to the amazement and astonishment of society, for he will take this and that (two obsolete things) and combine them (put their pieces together), which thing had never been done before, causing shock waves of change throughout society. Even the very first thing he brings forth will be astounding to everyone, and more especially to those who understand the history of things and who know that what he has done has completely altered that order of things and society must now conform to the new standard he has set, for for the first time two pieces of one of the puzzles has been put together and people will now begin to behold some sort of picture, or an over-riding order to these seemingly random things. And this will continue on, he bringing forth yet another “new” old thing, in its perfected form (being put together, as it was always intended by God, with another piece of the same order), and causing yet another major shift in society, for they (society) will have to alter its ways to conform to the restorer’s new things.

    Again, this may seem pointless, but this first work of his is absolutely necessary, and he will be both admired and hated by the industries he alters. Hated because he will completely demolish all industries of the same order of the things he brings forth. They simply will not be able to compete with him and will have to submit to his terms to stay in business. Admired because they will think it is his genius that allows these “new” old things to be restored, and they admire one who can conquer by his genius. But the Nephite will not say it is his genius, of course, that allows these miracles to happen, but the Spirit of the Lord upon him, working out the restoration of all things. At first, I suppose, people will think that he is just smart, or lucky, that his restoration is successful and profitable, but after a number of successful and profitable restorations, society will start to get the sinking, scary feeling that there is a supernatural force at work with this guy and his restored things, because society will be changing at an alarmingly rapid rate, to accommodate his stuff. And he will be in all the news reports, for the talking heads will be conversing about what in the heck is going on, for time will seem to be going both forwards and backwards, simultaneously.

    I suppose the general populace will welcome these glorious changes, for the pieces of the various puzzles will begin to take shape, and a feeling of anxiousness and hope and wonder will begin to pervade society again. The current dim view of the future will be replaced by a view of hope and beauty, for this guy will not only alter the workings of society, but will also beautify it, for the Earth must be prepared and beautified for the return of its Creator. Even his beautification system will be a restoration, and will cause all to marvel, wonder, and also those who control society to admire him and also hate him, for their hold on society will be loosed.

    So, this current state of affairs, in which the various groups of wealthy, elite, learned, and devil-inspired men and women direct the affairs of men, keeping them distracted with “stuff” and hopeless of the future, is going to end. The release of this Nephite upon society is intended to free the people entirely from the hold of such evil men. The Gentiles are going to experience a form of Nephite prosperity and liberty which they never knew was even possible. The Lord is going to bless the Gentiles, because of the Nephite, because of his prayers in their behalf. This will come first, I suppose, even before any new records come forth. It will be his first work, and it will be glorious.

    Once the discarded pieces of the puzzle have been put together by the Nephite Elias, and the current pieces also put into their corresponding places, as far as it is possible, then, and only then, I suppose, will the Nephite begin to restore to earth things that we never knew existed, which existed in hidden antiquity, and also new things that have never existed, which must also come, for these puzzles must be complete before the Lord can come and put His feet again on His footstool. The Lord, after all, is a King, and He must have a footstool fit for a King.

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  23. To LDS Anachist: It is my sincere pleasure to read your posts, I ask my self if you know how accurate you are. You and OWIW are my fav. even if OWIW doesn’t know it. Between the two of you are the greatest insights that man can have. And what you don’t have would fill a thimble. Keep up the good work, it’s all about to get real! Godbless, I love you all.

  24. Brand, thank you for the kind comments. I’m glad to hear that you get some benefit from my writings.

  25. I stop reading at -“it is perfectly okay to say no” heading,,,i was reminded while talking with church friends that it was heard and seen that there were a very few number who opposed in the last general conference or at least raised hands for an opposing vote for the ga’s, while me I raised my hand for sustaining the 15 ga’s only. While in the video stream one can quite hear “I oppose!” voice/s.so a few took it literally yet still it’s a minority voice- trying to make a wave?wether they read ldsa or have personal revelation, it could have been more polite just to raise a hand to vote a decimal opposition without yelling- a more civilized act and a good example for others to be disciple of the Lord. or at least pretendingly(icebreaker)

  26. Alas, the current Church procedure of sustaining leaves no room for being polite to those who oppose. If you silently raise a hand in opposition, the presiding officer won’t even lift his head to check and will declare “The sustaining vote was unanimous”. Let’s hope that now that the Brethren know that there are bound to be opposing votes in the audience, they will tweak the procedure so as to reassure those who want to oppose that their voice will be counted and taken into account and there is no need to yell anymore.

  27. Do you think the second seed may be Michael/Adam? He is to hold council at Adam ondi Ahman.

    Related, since Adam died and was buried and was never technically born. Do you think michael/Adam will return glorified or be born again into this life?

  28. oops…that question above should say seer not seed.

  29. I don’t think the second seer will be Michael/Adam. My understanding is that it will be a man whose surname will be Joseph-Nephi-Lehi.

  30. Thanks for the follow up. I saw you mention something along those lines above. Not sure if I missed it…but any elaboration on that? As in what makes you think that…just because the names?

    Any thought on the second part of my question (somewhat unrelated) about Michael being a reborn ‘person’
    thanks

  31. Thanks for the follow up. I saw you mention something along those lines above. Not sure if I missed it…but any elaboration on that? As in what makes you think that…just because the names?

    See this comment:

    In late 1830, Ohio newspaperman Eber D. Howe noted that Oliver Cowdery and his companions continued “on their mission to the Indians (or Lamanites, as they term them) in the ‘far west,’ where they say a Prophet is to be raised up, in whom the tribes will believe.”

    The post on the Josephite restorer puts forth that there will be a Josephite seer coming. This post puts forth that there will be a second seer among the Gentiles. My understanding is that the Josephite will be a Gentile that doesn’t know his true lineage, but who will find out by revelation that he is a descendant of Joseph, son of Lehi. So, it is natural to put the two seers together, they being one and the same man.

    Any thought on the second part of my question (somewhat unrelated) about Michael being a reborn ‘person’
    thanks

    I never heard of such a thing, nor have I read anything in the scriptures to indicate such a thing. I have always assumed that when he appears at Adam-ondi-Ahman he will be in his resurrected, angelic form. In other words, just as Moroni came back as an angel, so will he. Have you read something in the scriptures to indicate otherwise?

  32. And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: (Isa. 11:1)

    And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious. (Isa. 11:10)

    The rod coming forth out of the stem of Jesse, and the root of Jesse, appear to me now to be one and the same person: this Josephite restorer I’ve been writing about.

    3 What is the rod spoken of in the first verse of the 11th chapter of Isaiah, that should come of the Stem of Jesse?

    4 Behold, thus saith the Lord: It is a servant in the hands of Christ, who is partly a descendant of Jesse as well as of Ephraim, or of the house of Joseph, on whom there is laid much power.

    5 What is the root of Jesse spoken of in the 10th verse of the 11th chapter?

    6 Behold, thus saith the Lord, it is a descendant of Jesse, as well as of Joseph, unto whom rightly belongs the priesthood, and the keys of the kingdom, for an ensign, and for the gathering of my people in the last days. (D&C 113:3-6)

    The rod is DEFINITELY the Josephite, according to my understanding. But now the root of Jesse appears to be the very same guy.

  33. If this is the case, I can see many may confuse the Josephite as the anti-Christ. Or maybe it will be a pretty obvious comparison.

  34. Bryan, he’ll be testifying of Christ while performing miracles, so only those who are possessed of the devil will oppose and reject this guy. The whole world is going to be convinced he’s the real deal.


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