Manasseh’s future leadership role

Note: I suppose I could have gone further with this exposition, but I’m trying to keep my posts down in size.  Hopefully, there is enough here to generate a lively discussion, or at least give food for thought.  Click the links to see the scriptural references.

An overlooked prophecy

I like to think of the tribe of Ephraim as the Gentile dumping ground.  If you are a Gentile that joins the church of Christ, chances are pretty good that when you get your patriarchal blessing, you’ll be given the tribal lineage of Ephraim.  This, of course, fulfills prophecy, as Ephraim was blessed by Jacob (father of Joseph who was sold into Egypt) to become a multitude of nations (Gentiles).

However, there is a prophecy spoken by an angel to Nephi that indicates there will come a time when the Gentiles that repent will be put into the tribe of Manasseh:

And the angel spake unto me, saying: These last records, which thou hast seen among the Gentiles, shall establish the truth of the first, which are of the twelve apostles of the Lamb, and shall make known the plain and precious things which have been taken away from them; and shall make known to all kindreds, tongues, and people, that the Lamb of God is the Son of the Eternal Father, and the Savior of the world; and that all men must come unto him, or they cannot be saved.

And they must come according to the words which shall be established by the mouth of the Lamb; and the words of the Lamb shall be made known in the records of thy seed, as well as in the records of the twelve apostles of the Lamb; wherefore they both shall be established in one; for there is one God and one Shepherd over all the earth.

And the time cometh that he shall manifest himself unto all nations, both unto the Jews and also unto the Gentiles; and after he has manifested himself unto the Jews and also unto the Gentiles, then he shall manifest himself unto the Gentiles and also unto the Jews, and the last shall be first, and the first shall be last.

And it shall come to pass, that if the Gentiles shall hearken unto the Lamb of God in that day that he shall manifest himself unto them in word, and also in power, in very deed, unto the taking away of their stumbling blocks—and harden not their hearts against the Lamb of God, they shall be numbered among the seed of thy father; yea, they shall be numbered among the house of Israel; and they shall be a blessed people upon the promised land forever; they shall be no more brought down into captivity; and the house of Israel shall no more be confounded.  (1 Nephi 13: 40-42 & 1 Nephi 14: 1-2)

To clarify: “they [the Gentiles] shall be numbered among the seed of thy father [Lehi].”  As Lehi was of the tribe of Manasseh, the seed of Lehi would also be of the tribe of Manasseh.

First to be last and then last to be first

Manasseh was the firstborn, elder son of Joseph, while Ephraim the next born, a younger son.  However, Ephraim was blessed with the birthright and was made greater (in number, as the Gentiles would be put into his tribe) than, and set before (or made first over), Manasseh.  Nevertheless, both Manasseh and Ephraim had the charge of pushing the people together in the last days (the gathering).

Today, the Gentile Ephraimites are still first over (or set before) Manasseh, meaning that it is the tribe of (Gentile) Ephraim that leads in the church and that is more numerous than Manasseh, which takes a secondary place among church membership, assisting the Gentile Ephraimites in all things.  In fact, any non-Gentile converts (actual seed of Israel) that come into the church also act as assistants to the Gentile Ephraimitish leadership.

However, the angel’s prophecy is such that at some future point in time—specifically, in the words of the angel, “in that day that [the Lamb of God] shall manifest himself unto [the Gentiles] in word, and also in power, in very deed, unto the taking away of their stumbling blocks”—the Gentiles that a) “shall hearken unto the Lamb of God” and b) “harden not their hearts against the Lamb of God” will be numbered among the tribe of Manasseh. The angel also says, “yea, they shall be numbered among the house of Israel.”  As the tribe of Manasseh is also numbered among the house of Israel, both enumerations fit.  So, when the Gentiles are numbered among the tribe of Manasseh, they are also automatically numbered among the house of Israel.

This is a future prophecy

My understanding is that this prophecy is yet to be fulfilled.  It means that when the marvelous work and a wonder takes place (read the rest of 1 Nephi 14), and new records are brought forth through the Gentiles, to the Gentiles, and then taken to the remnant of Jacob (the seed of Lehi, which are Manassehites), most Gentiles will reject them.  There will be some Gentiles, though, that will accept the records, and these will be numbered among the tribe of Manasseh.  These Gentile Manassehites will then assist the remnant of Jacob in America (the real tribe of Manasseh) in building Zion and gathering the house of Israel.  (It is real Israel that will build and gather, while grafted-in, adopted Israel—the Gentiles—will assist them, and not vice versa.)  Thus, the first (Ephraim) shall be last and the last (Manasseh) shall be first.

Numbering is a future, tribal event

The Ephraimitish Gentiles, meaning those Gentiles whose patriarchal blessings indicate they pertain to the tribe of Ephraim (which fulfills prophecy), who repent after these new records are revealed will be numbered among the (now functioning) tribe of Manasseh, along with the non-Ephraimitish Gentiles who repent.  Currently, although our patriarchal blessings indicate tribal affiliations, none of the LDS function as bona fide tribes, nor have any of them been numbered among a tribe. Numbering is a future event that pertains to bona fide, functioning tribes.  This is why in General Conference, when the church numbers are given, we never hear an enumeration of any of the tribes that make up the church membership.  Instead, we are told how the church membership is a “united nation,” such as President Uchtdorf recently told LDS at a multi-stake conference.

Destruction among the unbelieving Ephraimitish Gentiles

When the angel’s prophecy that “the house of Israel shall no more be confounded” comes to pass, real Israel, the remnant of Jacob (the real tribe of Manasseh) shall go through the unbelieving Ephraimitish Gentiles (who are not numbered among the seed of Lehi, as they do not believe the new records) as a lion among flocks of sheep, treading them down and tearing them in pieces.  They shall literally be cut off from among the people for rejecting Christ’s words.  These slated-to-be-destroyed people will not be the unbelieving Gentiles who never had the gospel, but the salt that has lost its savor (see 3 Nephi 16: 15 and D&C 101: 39-40), meaning Gentiles who have already entered into the covenant relationship with Christ.

What of real Ephraim and the other real tribes?

They will also play a part in the last days, but as for us Gentiles, there are only two tribes with which we have anything to do: first Ephraim and second Manasseh and then (later) first Manasseh and second Ephraim.  But, although Manasseh will get thousands injected into it from the Gentile converts, when the real tribe of Ephraim returns and functions tribally, the nations of the earth that repent during the ensuing preaching of the word (found in the new records) will be adopted into and numbered among Ephraim, fulfilling the prophecy (of Ephraim being more numerous than Manasseh) a second time.

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  1. So my patriarchal blessing indicates that I am of the tribe of Ephraim. So, you would say that if I remain faithful thru the bringing forth of the brass plates, etc. — then I will end up in the tribe of Manasseh?
    What the patriarch indicated at the time of my blessing, and how we are actually “numbered” in the future may be two different tribes for current Ephraimites?

  2. Lets not forget that many of the people that you are associating with Manasseh are also associated with the tribe of Judah. Mulek, the son of Zedekiah that settled Zarahemla was pure Judah and certainly many of the decendents of that group are still around. The D&C even mentions this in 57:4, comparing the Native American’s to Jews.

    I would go so far as to say that there is probably more pure jewish blood in the Natives of this continent than there is in those “orthodox” Jews living in the holy land at this time. I could be totally wrong but I would not be surprised to be right.

  3. That interpretation seems like a real stretch and a huge assumption to place on the foundation of just one scripture… the interpretation of which seems rather questionable to me.

    It seems to me that if the prophet really meant to say what you are reading into it, he would have simply said this,

    “…they shall be numbered among the seed of thy father; yea, they shall be numbered among the [tribe of Manasseh];

    However, as the scripture currently reads, he is qualifying what he means by his Fathers seed. He is speaking of his fathers seed in broad terms, as being part of the house of Israel, not in specific tribal terms as being the tribe of Manasseh.

    By following up his statement with “yea, they shall be numbered among the HOUSE OF ISRAEL.” he is qualifying what he meant by the seed of his father.

    In other words Ephraim had mixed himself among the nations and lost his identity, but then repents and regains his identity and is once again returned to his rightful place, numbered among the house of Israel.

    “My fathers seed” = “House of Israel”

    Of course, as with all interpretations, we should look for additional scriptural witnesses to verify the interpretation of any one scripture.

    There are, of course, lots of scriptures to refute the above interpretation, but do you have any others that would appear to substantiate it?

    Chief among those that refute your interpretation are the passages in section 133: 30-34.

    Of course 133 is basically reiterating and clarifying and giving a second witness to Jer 31 which clearly indicates, as McConkie points out in the chapter heading, that “In the last days, Israel shall be gathered—Ephraim has the birthright as the firstborn-”

    6 For there shall be a day, that the watchmen upon the mount Ephraim shall cry, Arise ye, and let us go up to Zion unto the Lord our God.
    • • •
    9 They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn. Jer. 31: 6, 9, 18, 20

    It is Ephraim that stands as a watchman on the tower on mount Ephraim, not Manasseh standing on mount Manasseh.

    The first laborers of the last kingdom who return to call Gods people out of Babylon are from Ephraim, not Manasseh.

  4. Justin, I would say that if you were to die a righteous man before the new records come forth, you would be numbered according to the tribal lineage you’ve been given. But if you live to see the records appear, and decide to go with those new records (and with the functioning tribe of Manasseh), then you will be numbered with the tribe of Manasseh.

    Lineage and numbering are two different things. Although it is true that “all Israel will be saved,” it is only numbered Israel, not lineage Israel, that will be saved. Numbering among one of the tribes of Israel is all important. (See, for example, the Savior’s words to the Gentiles and his emphasis on numbering in 3 Nephi 30.)

    So, if you end up going with the tribe of Manasseh, if someone were to ask you, “What’s your tribal affiliation?”, you could reply, “I’m an Ephraimite by lineage, but I belong to the tribe of Manasseh.”

    The Gentiles who reject the records will have no tribal affiliation, though they would claim to be Ephraimites by lineage (prophetically pronounced by the patriarch.) Once the tribes of Israel are again functioning (in the words of the angel, “the house of Israel shall no more be confounded”), if you are not numbered in one of those tribes, you’re screwed.

  5. Tu Ne Cede Mails, lineage doesn’t really matter that much. For example, in Mosiah 25: 13 it is stated that the Mulekites (Judah) were numbered as Nephites (Manasseh). Lamanites by lineage were numbered among Nephites (see 3 Nephi 2: 14) and Nephites by lineage were numbered among Lamanites (see Alma 43: 13-14).

    Although everyone kept their genealogy and lineage (all the -ites among the BOM people), they still identified with one of two groups: Nephites or Lamanites, both of which were counted as seed of Lehi (tribe of Manasseh). In other words, although three tribal lineages can be traced to the Nephite/Lamanite civilizations (Manasseh through Lehi, Ephraim through Ishmael and Judah through Mulek), the tribe these people were numbered among was Manasseh. At least, that is my understanding.

  6. OWIW,

    1st: When you start out with a general (or broad) phrase and then end with a specific (or narrow) phrase, the ending narrow (specific) phrase acts as a clarifying phrase, clarifying (defining) the beginning broad (general) phrase. For example, the U.S. Constitution has, all in one sentence, a general phrase (“Congress shall have power to…provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States”) followed by a bunch of specific phrases (specific congressional powers), all separated by semicolons. In such a case, the general phrase = (is equal to) the specific phrases, because it is defined by the specific phrases that follow it.

    The angel, though, does not do this. The angel starts with a specific (narrow) phrase (“they shall be numbered among the seed of thy father”) and then ends with a broad (general) phrase (“they shall be numbered among the house of Israel”). In this case, the two phrases are not equal. One phrase does not define the other phrase and they cannot be used interchangeably. The second broad (final) phrase is adding information to the first narrow phrase.

    To give an example, it is like saying, “they shall be numbered as citizens of the State of Utah; yea, they shall be numbered as U.S. citizens.” The ending phrase is not defining the beginning phrase, nor is the beginning phrase defining the ending phrase, and neither phrase is interchangeable. The phrases are not equal to each other. Although Utah citizens are U.S. citizens, a U.S. citizen is not necessarily a Utah citizen. In this example, the sentence is merely stating that Utah citizens are also U.S. citizens.

    2nd: D&C 133: 30-35 is talking of lineage Ephraim, not tribal Ephraim. It speaks of “the tribes of Israel” and of “the tribe of Judah”, but not of any “tribe of Ephraim.” Ephraim here is called “the children of Ephraim” (Ephraim by lineage.) You can be of the lineage of Ephraim, but still pertain to, or belong to, or be “numbered among” the tribe of Manasseh (or any other tribe.) This scripture, therefore, does not invalidate the above interpretation (nor the one in Jeremiah 31. It is not just the tribe or lineage of Ephraim upon the watch-tower, but all Israel, which includes Manasseh. See D&C 101: 12.)

    The term “Ephraim” has multiple shades of meaning. For example, there is Ephraim the man (son of Joseph), Ephraim the tribe (a functioning tribe which may contain people of diverse lineages), Ephraim of real Ephraimitish lineage (literal descendant, but not in a functioning tribe), adopted Ephraim lineage (Gentile convert placed into Ephraim’s lineage, but not functioning in a tribe), Ephraim lineage (adopted or literal) in a tribe (any of the 12 tribes), as well as Ephraim the Northern Kingdom of Israel (which was often called “Ephraim”). All of these can be called Ephraimites or simply “Ephraim”. For us Gentiles, though, of this dispensation, many of the scriptures we’ve been given that mention Ephraim in the last days deal with Gentile Ephraimites in their tribeless state. If we had all the scriptures (see 3 Nephi 28: 33) we would know what has been prophesied to occur among the entire 12 tribes (13 if you include the Levites) in these last days (in other words, the great and marvelous works these tribes will do before Christ’s second coming), but we don’t have them, (yet). We only know, principally, what is to happen among the Gentiles, as that pertains to us.

  7. OWIW, I forgot to answer your question, “There are, of course, lots of scriptures to refute the above interpretation, but do you have any others that would appear to substantiate it?”

    Here are a couple of others:

    Wherefore, my beloved brethren, thus saith our God: I will afflict thy seed by the hand of the Gentiles; nevertheless, I will soften the hearts of the Gentiles, that they shall be like unto a father to them; wherefore, the Gentiles shall be blessed and numbered among the house of Israel.

    Wherefore, I will consecrate this land unto thy seed, and them who shall be numbered among thy seed, forever, for the land of their inheritance; for it is a choice land, saith God unto me, above all other lands, wherefore I will have all men that dwell thereon that they shall worship me, saith God. (2 Nephi 10: 18-19)

    But if they will repent and hearken unto my words, and harden not their hearts, I will establish my church among them, and they shall come in unto the covenant and be numbered among this the remnant of Jacob, unto whom I have given this land for their inheritance; (3 Nephi 21: 22)

  8. I don’t see how “being numbered among” translates into having ones tribal inheritance changed to a different one.

    When two tribes become numbered together, it could simply mean they are united in the same cause. They could even be blending together as a physical nation, but the term “being numbered together” does not presuppose that one has taken on the others lineal or patriarchal inheritance.’

    If a group of Chinese people come to American to live among a colony of Scottish people, it does not make the Chinese people Scottish nor the scottish people Chinese.

    Hence, I still see your theory being totally supported by a very questionable interpretation of just one scripture… (and possibly the fact that your patriarchal blessing may identify that you are from Manasseh which might create a bias in your interpretation, which is the only reason I can think of that you would be rejecting such a keystone doctrine in Mormonism for one that is so poorly documented and without any basis in reality)

    In support of the more commonly taught doctrine, that Ephraim will take the lead in the end times, here are a few of the things I see

    1- As mentioned before, Jeremiah makes it clear that the Ephraimite elders stand on Mount Ephraim to call the other tribes out of Babylon. I think McConkie is correct in his chapter heading summary and I think the content of the chapter makes it clear that Ephraim is the Firstborn

    2- Section 133 is as clear as Jeremiah is in identifying Ephraim as the leaders when the final gathering takes place and inheritances are given out.

    3- Hosea speaks at length about Ephraims apostasy and reveals that/Ephrailm has mixed himself among the nations [of Israel as well as the gentiles]. for 13 chapters he documents Ephraims apostasy but then in the 14 chapter he reveals that Ephraim repents “Ephraim shall say, What have I to do any more with idols? I have heard him, and observed him: I am like a green fir tree. From me is thy fruit found.” This proves that when Ephraim repents and returns, he is still called Ephraim.. he has not been assimilated into Manasseh.

    4- Consistent with the mixing of Ephraim among the nations is the most intriguing fact that when the 144,000 of the “firstborn” servants are called forth, Ephraim is not mentioned as one of the tribes consisting of 12,000 high priest each. The reason for this is that the real truth about the mixed lineages is that there are 12,000 from each of 12 tribes that, in addition to keeping their tribal identity, take on the leadership role of Ephraim the first born.

    5- Related to Jeremiah, and the context it provides regarding the term “firstborn

    6- One significant expression in the prophecy of Ezekiel is that the stick of Joseph and his fellows was to be in the hand of Ephraim. Ephraim was to stand at the head of the tribes of Israel in the latter-days, according to his birthright.”.

    7- There are numerous ancient jewish prophecies about the “son of Ephraim”or “messiah the son of Ephraim” that refer to the great restorer who comes forth to unit the two houses of Israel together just prior to the second coming. This is very possibly why patriarch Edward Elder Eldred G. Smith, the patriarch to the Church, at the April General Conference of the in 1952 felt it was important to point out that Joseph Smith was an Ephraimite—“Jacob blessed his twelve sons and gave them each a blessing suited to their individual rewards and pronounced promises that should come to them. Joseph received a special blessing which we are most interested in because we are his descendants, the most part of us, and the blessings of the gospel have come through this line, for Joseph Smith, Senior, was a true descendant, through Ephraim, the younger son of Joseph.”

    8- The JST informs us that the original tribes of manasseh and Ephraim were cryptically assimilated into Israel while the next two sons of Joseph were named Ephraim and Manasseh, hence, you cannot make a definitive declaration about the end status of Ephraim because there are two different Ephraims. There has been a bait and switch done. JST Gen. 48: 5-11
    9- The Old Testament states “Manasseh, Ephraim; and Ephraim, Manasseh: and they together shall be against Judah. For all this his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still.”

    That passage reveals that both are in apostasy and incur the anger of God. There is no reason why Ephraim would be assimilated into Manassah because Manasseh is in apostasy just like Ehpraim.

    secondly, the above passage reveals that initially, Manasseh was first and Ephraim Second because manasseh was born first, as pointed out in Gen 48:14.“…for Manasseh was the firstborn.” But then, as Jer 31:9 points out, Ephraim became the first born, “for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.”

    The is the real meaning behind the last shall be first and the first shall be last pertaining to Ephraim and Manasseh.

    10- “What is the rod spoken of in the first verse of the 11th chapter of Isaiah, that should come of the Stem of Jesse?”

    If the tribe of Ephraim is assimilated into Manasseh whebn the final gathering begins as you seem to be implying, why do the scriptures refer to the servant as descendant of Jesse and also of Joseph via the lineage of Ephraim?

    “Behold, thus saith the Lord: It is a servant in the hands of Christ, who is partly a descendant of Jesse as well as of Ephraim, or of the house of Joseph, on whom there is laid much power. ”

    Anyway.. just a few thoughts that come to mind…

  9. Lol, OWIW! I knew this post would rub certain people the wrong way. You call yourself a heretic and yet it seems you have transformed yourself into a defender of the faith (of the Ephraim First doctrine). Lmao!

    There will be prophets among all the tribes of Israel in the last days, with their own scriptures, not just Gentile Ephraimite prophets. The body of prophecy which we possess is tailored to us, the Gentiles. We know very little what has been prophesied to happen among Gad, Naphtali, the Levites, and so on of the other tribes, nor what these other tribes will do in these last days. There will be major prophets in and a marvelous work wrought by Manasseh (including, gasp!, a restoration!), prophets of Judah and so on and so forth, all before the Lord comes.

    Now, you did ask me a question, which I’ll try to answer:

    10- “What is the rod spoken of in the first verse of the 11th chapter of Isaiah, that should come of the Stem of Jesse?”

    If the tribe of Ephraim is assimilated into Manasseh whebn the final gathering begins as you seem to be implying, why do the scriptures refer to the servant as descendant of Jesse and also of Joseph via the lineage of Ephraim?

    “Behold, thus saith the Lord: It is a servant in the hands of Christ, who is partly a descendant of Jesse as well as of Ephraim, or of the house of Joseph, on whom there is laid much power. ”

    Here is Isaiah 11: 1-

    “And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: ”

    There are five (5) individuals mentioned in this verse: a rod, the stem, Jesse, a Branch, and his roots (plural). Of these five people, Joseph only said the rod was of Ephraim. Jesse we know was the father of David. The stem was Christ. That leaves a Branch, his roots and the rod. Only the rod is interpreted as lineage of Ephraim (not tribe). Also, in verse 10, servant known as the root (singular) is also given a lineage (Joseph), but not anything more specific (Ephraim or Manasseh?) So, of these 5 or 6 people (depending on whether one interprets roots plural in verse 1 and root singular in verse 10 as the same person or as two different people) mentioned in these two verses, only one is specified as of Ephraim. Also, given that Joseph’s interpretations mention only lineage (not tribes), it still leaves open the possibility that I have laid out in the post above.

    One last thing, you stated, “If the tribe of Ephraim is assimilated into Manasseh whebn the final gathering begins as you seem to be implying.” You have misunderstood. The tribe of Ephraim does not get assimilated into Manasseh. The tribes remain separate. But lineage and tribal numbering are not the same. As I said above, the numbering is the most important. You can be of the literal lineage of Israel, yet not be numbered among Israel (scattered Israel). You can be numbered among Israel, yet not be literal lineage of Israel (a Gentile adopted into Israel lineage). You can be lineage of one tribe and numbered with another tribe. All those who end up numbered among Israel will also possess lineage (literal or adopted) of Israel. All those who are not numbered among Israel will have their lineage blotted out (if of Israel). So, it’s the numbering part that is the final determination of one’s state and numbering is a uniquely TRIBAL aspect of the gospel, which is currently not active among us Gentiles.

  10. “You call yourself a heretic and yet it seems you have transformed yourself into a defender of the faith”

    I must confess, It did feel a little strange defending a popular belief instead of introducing a heretical view!

  11. Just like you wrote an excellent article about how there is not a higher & a lower law, but one law… Now you need to write an article about how there is not a real & an adopted Israel, but one Israel.

    The Gentiles are not “adopted”, they have the blood of Israel coursing in their veins the same as do the Jews (which is primarily the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, & half of Levi, mixed with plenty of foreign & Gentile stock).

  12. Derek, you may be right that all the currently living people on the planet have actual Israelite blood flowing in their veins. When the genealogy of every last person is completed, we will see if that is so. However, surely those who lived and died prior to Israel (Jacob) or apart from it during certain times (such as the Jaredites) have no Israelite blood in them, yet these also must be given lineage of Israel and numbered among them. That’s my understanding. How can this be except by adoption?

  13. Continuing on with the topic of the above post…

    I want to address certain items that the Bible Dictionary brings up in the entry for Ephraim:

    The second son of Joseph (Gen. 41: 52; Gen. 46: 20); but at the blessing by Jacob, Ephraim was set before Manasseh, the elder son (Gen. 48: 19-20). Joshua belonged to this tribe, and to him was due much of its subsequent greatness. After the settlement in Canaan, the district assigned to the two sons of Joseph included some of the richest land in the country, crossed by several important highways, and having within its limits historic sites like Shechem, Ebal, Gerizim, and Shiloh. Ephraim was notorious for its jealousy of any success gained by any other tribe (Judg. 8: 1; Judg. 12: 1; cf. 2 Sam. 19: 41-43). It was Ephraim’s jealousy of Judah that in great measure brought about the separation of the two kingdoms, and that Rehoboam in vain tried to satisfy by going to Shechem to be crowned.
    Ephraim was given the birthright in Israel (1 Chr. 5: 1-2; Jer. 31: 9), and in the last days it has been the tribe of Ephraim’s privilege first to bear the message of the restoration of the gospel to the world and to gather scattered Israel (Deut. 33: 13-17; D&C 133: 26-34; D&C 64: 36). The time will come when, through the operation of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the envy of Judah and Ephraim shall cease (Isa. 11: 12-13).

    1. The BD reads, “Ephraim was notorious for its jealousy of any success gained by any other tribe.” This Ephraimitish trait of jealousy and envy towards other tribes was why I wrote above, “I knew this post would rub certain people the wrong way.” The certain people I was referring to, of course, were of lineage of Ephraim. Lol.

    2. The BD says, “Ephraim was given the birthright in Israel.” This is true, but not the whole story. Actually, all the sons of Joseph were given the birthright in Israel, not just Ephraim. (See 1 Chron. 5: 1-2.) That includes Manasseh, Ephraim and the sons of Joseph who were born after Ephraim’s birth. These latter sons received an inheritance among Manasseh and Ephraim and were called by the first two sons’ tribes. (See Gen. 48: 5-6 or JST Gen. 48: 5-6, if you prefer.)

    The BD uses two scriptures (1 Chr. 5: 1-2 and Jer. 31: 9) to back up the claim that Ephraim (alone) was given the birthright, but 1 Chron. 5: 1-2 says that “the sons” (plural) “of Joseph” were given the birthright, whereas Jer. 31: 9 says that “Ephraim is my firstborn.” Because the firstborn son typically has the birthright, the assumption on the part of the authors of the BD (and others who subscribe to the Ephraim First doctrine) is that Ephraim alone has the birthright and that 1 Chron. 5: 1-2 must be referring to the sons of Joseph among the tribe of Ephraim alone. This is an assumption, a supposition. However, 1 Chron. 5: 1-2 makes no such specification, but instead indicates that “the birthright was Joseph’s,” meaning it belonged to all the sons of Joseph.

    As birthrights can be removed (lost) and given to another (gained), regardless of whether one is the firstborn, just because Jeremiah mentions that Ephraim is the firstborn does not mean that he exclusively has the birthright. In fact, the two scriptures taken together indicate that Ephraim is both the firstborn in Israel and shares the birthright with the other sons of Joseph, his brothers. This makes sense, as Ephraim has a problem with jealously and envy, and being forced to share a birthright might be just the thing needed to help fix these character flaws.

    3. The BD says, “in the last days it has been the tribe of Ephraim’s privilege first to bear the message of the restoration of the gospel to the world and to gather scattered Israel.” The implication is that it is Ephraim (alone) that leads in the latter days. The Guide to the Scriptures is plainer in stating that Ephraim leads alone in the latter days. Under the Manasseh entry, it reads, “In the last days, the tribe of Manasseh will assist the tribe of Ephraim in gathering scattered Israel.” Manasseh is demoted to the role of an assistant, while Ephraim is the leader. The BD uses 3 scriptures to back up its claims: Deut. 33: 13-17; D&C 133: 26-34; and D&C 64: 36. The Guide to the Scriptures lists only one scripture: Deut. 33: 13-17. However, the Deuteronomy verses do not assign a leader or assistant role to either tribe, but instead indicate that both will push the people together (gather Israel.)

    The BD’s use of D&C 133: 34 is, essentially, the clincher or one scripture used by all Ephraimites to attempt to prove the claim that it is Ephraim alone that leads. But a close reading of D&C 133 does not say Ephraim alone holds the mantle of leadership.

    Behold, this is the blessing of the everlasting God upon the tribes of Israel, and the richer blessing upon the head of Ephraim and his fellows.

    The latter clause of the above sentence means both,

    “…and the richer blessing upon the head of Ephraim”

    and also,

    “…and the richer blessing upon the fellows of Ephraim.”

    Now, the question must be asked, who are the fellows of Ephraim? The answer is that they are the ones that share the birthright with Ephraim, in other words, the other sons of Joseph. This includes, of course, Manasseh. (Note: “fellows” in this verse is not to be confused with “fellows” in Ezek. 37: 19, which is defined as “the tribes of Israel.”)

    So, none of these scriptures prove or back up the claim of Ephraimites that it is Ephraim who takes the exclusive lead of the last days. Nevertheless, as Ephraim currently has the lead, and as Ephraimitish leadership is doing the interpreting and writing of all our manuals and official publications, and as that leadership has interpreted its lineage as being the leader, the rest of the Gentile Ephraimites, as well as those of the lineage of Manasseh, have bought this interpretation hook, line and sinker.

  14. It has been a couple of years and I would be curious if you have learned more that would add to or change this post. You seem to do that occassionally.

  15. I don’t think there is anything to add, unless the “servant of servants” phrase really does apply to a second group of dark skinned priesthood. See Justin’s post, The Concept of Race, in the Gospel, and a comment of mine on that post.

    I do not know what tribe black members of the church are typically assigned to. If anyone has that information, please leave a comment here.

  16. hm, basically i’m the only one of Manassehs blood in an Ephraim bloodline Family. I also got in my PB something along “being a Leader”…
    It’s a very interesting post, I was wondering how that Numbering will go… If it follows the Patriarchal order then I will belong to my husbands Tribe… and I will I be counted in that one and lose my Manasseh spot? how about the kids? will the Family get divided?

  17. If it follows the Patriarchal order then I will belong to my husbands Tribe

    I’d expect it to follow the order of Genesis:

    shall a man
    leave his father and his mother
    and shall cleave unto his wife
    and they shall be one flesh

    which would have your husband leaving his family name and cleaving to your lineage.

  18. Justin, seems good to me, but i doubt a mans ego would allow him to do so… Let’s face it, there are very few men who would take his wifes name for example.
    Still, my family would be separated, me being the only one of the Manasseh Tribe.

    Btw, your Statement or rather the Genesis scripture, made me remember a believe I have about the many Single Woman in our Church.
    We all are told, raised and grow up to the believe of getting one day married to a returned Missionary, always using Deuteronomy 7:3,4 (Seminary scripture) as warning. But even though someone served a Mission it isn’t clear if he will be and stay a “Saint” for the rest of his life. Some return from Mission, to never set a foot in the Church again.
    I believe that the strong faithful women could become a huge blessing to the world by taking spouses outside the church. Of course, by taking someone that has respect for them and the gospel. I’ve seen and heard about some Families were the Father wasn’t a member, and was totally against the church while his kids were strong in faith. Later on he converted and was baptized. sure it took years, some didn’t take long and of course there are marrieges that failed because of it.
    Now, I’m not saying it’s for ALL single Women out there, i think some couldn’t deal being with a non member husband.
    Just a thought i have about it…

  19. Isn’t the saying, “Flirt and Convert“?

    LDSA wrote a chapter for the GEMTAM book that he also put here as a post: Abrahamic Concubinage as an Inter-Tribal Function.

    It talks specifically about the “missionary work” that can be accomplished by inter-faith concubinage.

  20. I don’t know If I am cut out to be in a concubinage… lol
    I’ll try to digest it later on.

  21. One more thing, because it’s November I always think more about the Native American Brother and Sisters.
    And maybe the Crazy Horse prophesy/vision is linked with your post about Manasseh’s Leadership role.
    “Upon suffering beyond suffering; the Red Nation shall rise again and
    it shall be a blessing for a sick world. A world filled with broken
    promises, selfishness and separations. A world longing for light
    again. I see a time of seven generations when all the colors of
    mankind will gather under the sacred Tree of Life and the whole Earth
    will become one circle again. In that day there will be those among
    the Lakota who will carry knowledge and understanding of unity among
    all living things, and the young white ones will come to those of my
    people and ask for this wisdom. I salute the light within your eyes
    where the whole universe dwells. For when you are at that center
    within you and I am that place within me, we shall be as one.”
    Crazy Horse

    There is also some youtube clip about the Lakota “Return of the Ancestors”. It wouldn’t be too stretched to say that they probably mean the return of Lost Tribes.

    I’m a Manasseh and find this whole think very interesting.



  22. “I do not know what tribe black members of the church are typically assigned to. If anyone has that information, please leave a comment here.”

    while im not really super informed on the subject, ive known a few black members who are assigned to naftali

  23. Depends entirely on what you mean by “black”. Africa itself is the most genetically diverse of all the continents when it comes to hue-mans. And of course that is only speaking in physical terms, the lineage concept has a lot more to do with spiritual terms. It is important to take into account the meaning of these Hebrew names. Ephraim means “Was Fruitful” Menasseh means “Forgetfulness”. I personally know black people whose PBs designate Ephraim, many more whose PB says Manasseh, and one person who I have encountered was Neftali.

    “Indeed it is nothing short of astonishing to see the Spirit of God Almighty descend so low into Forgetfulness (Menasseh), to take on the image of man (hue-man form), as per the words of Abinadi who stated clearly in Mosiah 7:27-28 that “it should be the image after which (hue)man was created in the beginning (ab-original)” long before the younger brother (Ephraim) Was Fruitful.”

  24. Ephriam received the Birthright Blessing through Joseph. That has never, or ever will, be rescended.

    The Birth Right Blessing makes the “Remnant” of Ephriam, who survives the chastening hand of God, when He separates the Righteous and Wicked members of the Church, become the “MAMA”, responsible for the Gathering of the other Tribes, to include Juda, through the instrumentality of the Two Witnesses sent forth to bring Mom ( Ephriam ) and Dad ( Juda, holder of the Scepter in Israel ), back Together in the End.

    All other Tribes are the CHILDREN of those Two Parent Tribes, from which they RECEIVE their Blessings, and are assisted BY Ephriam to bring this Family Reunion to fruition. It’s the MOTHER’S Chore & Responsibility to Gather Her Chicks and RETURN to Her Husband that she divorced 2500 years ago.

    Manasseh is ONE of those Children of Ephriam. Mother is to ASSIST Her Son in the receiving of His Higher Blessings that abide with His Mother.

    And YES….Ephriam WILL be found “AMONG” Her Children. That is only NATURAL.

    This is another one of those cases of some members having a BIAS that PRECLUDES the Order of God as ESTABLISHED through the Birthright Blessing given to Ephriam to Gather the Tribes of Israel. With ALL Tribes but Juda, having a PLACE in that Gathering. Juda gathers to themselves until called upon by Ephraim in a PLEA for their Marital Reunion….The sending of Two of Her Sons to Plea Her Case before their Father & Her Husband.

  25. When viewed for the FAMILY of Israel Reunion, for which all this represents, it becomes EVIDENT as to how to read the words of Prophecy and interpret them properly.

    Her Son would NEVER replace Momma when it comes to FAMILY MATTERS. But MOMMA will ALWAYS be there to “ASSIST” Her Children. That’s what Mommas Do.

  26. Momma ( the Lord’s Church of Ephriam ) just needs to shed a little “Excess & Unwanted Weight”, and Gather Her Kids and Return to Her Husband….Christ & Juda.

    The Lord’s Final & TRUE Prophet will be the one to help Momma clean up Her Act before returning to Her Husband.

    A couple of thousand years ago she got upset & LEFT her over bearing husband and ran off with the Kids, who became LOST without their Father.

    It will be GREAT to have the Lord mend the lives of a dysfunctional Family !

  27. you make no sense zac. being birthright heir has nothing to do with being “MAMA,” and birthright blessings can definitely be forfeited through bad behavior

    “And now my son, Laman, and also Lemuel and Sam, and also my sons who are the sons of Ishmael, behold, if ye will hearken unto the voice of Nephi ye shall not perish. And if ye will hearken unto him I leave unto you a ablessing, yea, even my first blessing. But if ye will not hearken unto him I take away my afirst blessing, yea, even my blessing, and it shall rest upon him.”

    “And Jacob sod pottage; and Esau came from the field, and he was faint; And Esau said to Jacob, Feed me, I pray thee, with that same red pottage; for I am faint; therefore was his name called Edom. And Jacob said, Sell me this day thy birthright. And Esau said, Behold, I am at the point of dying; and what shall this birthright profit me? And Jacob said, Swear to me this day; and he swore unto him; and he sold his birthright unto Jacob. Then Jacob gave Esau bread and pottage of lentiles; and he did eat and drink, and rose up, and went his way. Thus Esau despised his birthright.”

    although, i always though jacob was an ass to blackmail his brother when he needed food

  28. I have been told by patriarchs that I am a literal descendant of the Book of Mormon prophets, a true son of Lehi. No less than 3 patriarchs have utter the same thing without knowing who I was. I constantly had questions concerning Manasseh’s role in the Latter-days and got an answer upon asking a patriarch, who also served in the Temple presidency of Palmyra, NY.

    He put his arm around me and stated, “the days are upon us wherein Ephraim is stumbling and have become drunkards before the Lord (Isaiah 28). Manasseh will become great spiritual guides amidst the confusion utter by apostate Ephraimites.” He made it very clear that Manasseh’s attributes should be gleaned from the Book of Mormon: able men in wartime, spiritual, military strategist, etc.

  29. Excellent post, the time of the gentiles has been fulfilled and is finished and the times of Israel are upon us and the ‘choice seer’ is now gathering the remnant and taking in repentant gentiles unto the house of Israel through the literal seed (high priesthood) Nephi (Manasseh,Native Americans in particular). The true points of plain and precious truths and doctrine that have been held back by the “Gentile” church (LDS) are now being taught to the literal seed, the true house of Israel and repentant Gentiles to prepare for Zion to be established and in Zion there is no Temple.

    Revelations 21
    22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

    The land of 1st inheritance will be a preparatory place before Zion “ascends” to form the New Jerusalem. The seed of Nephi will gain back their rightful inheritance and the “daughter of Zion” (preparatory Zion) will be a place to learn the true law and will of God and sanctify those who will be numbered among the seed of Israel and Enoch and remember the covenants made with the Lord in the pre-existence. The sanctification will hopefully bring about Jesus manifesting himself unto each person who lives the law and is sanctified.

    Finally, Jesus is then the only one who allows anyone into the gates of Zion and he must KNOW you and by KNOW means that he has manifest himself unto you in the FLESH.

    Thanks for your hard work defending the Title of Liberty but this is your most important and pertinent post yet. We must gather the remnant of the seed of Lehi and sanctify ourselves.

  30. Thanks for your hard work defending the Title of Liberty

    Are you referring to the New Articles of Confederation? Because if you are, I hadn’t thought of it that way, but I suppose that it could be called a Title of Liberty… But maybe you are referring to something else.

  31. Yes, precisely, the NAC.

  32. I really enjoyed reading this, what a blessing to hear about the subject that I have always understood spiritually though promptings and feeling but not so much intellectually. So I would like to share a little bit of what my blessing says since it it from God maybe it will shed some light on some of the questions that came up. Or maybe not? I know that reading this has brought me much comfort. I understand my blessing a little more that I did before. So I will share a little; I was sent to the earth through the seed of Abraham. I have flowing through my veins the blood of Israel through the lineage of Manasseh, that great son of Joseph who received the blessings granted to Abraham, Issac, and Jacob. It then goes on to say that I will help others who are of his posterity and those who are of the house of Israel prepare for the second coming. So, that is a part of it, So, after reading this blog I am able to put more detailed pictures with the feeling I get when I read it. Thank you so much! It truly is nice to find a little spot in the world where others have thought about The tribes, blood lines, adoption, blessings, and duties, race and struggles within us as tribes, and gentiles. Our father loves us all but it is nice to know where you fit in, in the family isn’t it!

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