The Nephite Artifacts

Meg Stout blogged the following on January 22 of this year:

Don Bradley wrote an intriguing paper titled Piercing the Veil: Temple Worship in the Lost 116 Pages. In the final section, Bradley discusses a lost story about how the interpreters, or Urim and Thummim, were found.

According to Fayette Lapham, Joseph Smith related some of the stories that were contained in the book of Mormon prior to publication. In one of these stories, the Liahona led the travelers to a curious set of implements. Unable to determine what these implements were, the man who found them (presumably the high priest of that time), took them into the tabernacle and present them to the Lord. The Lord tells the man  to cover his head with skins. Once he had done so, the high priest was able to see the spiritual. And according to the story, after this point Liahona stopped working.

Now that the high priest (probably Lehi, as this story describes a migrating people before the portion of the plates that described events in the current book of Mosiah) had the interpreters, or the Urim and Thummim, he no longer needed the Liahona. Thus we do not see the Liahona used as a guidance device in the rest of the book of Mormon narrative. Despite this, the Liahona is one of those relics which is passed down along with the sword of Laban and the interpreters.

At this point, I stopped reading (and I never did get around to reading the rest of her post) and was going to write a comment on Meg’s blog and offer a correction according to my understanding, (which understanding I gained that very instant upon reading her words), but decided against it, “For,” thought I, “my understanding is not based upon what is written in the scriptures and they will just chalk it up to a supposition, best guess or just an opinion and not something to put any weight or faith behind.”  But I’ll put it here on this blog, despite its lack of scriptural proof.

Now, before I begin, here is the pertinent part Meg linked to in that passage:

In the story as Lapham recounts it from Joseph Smith, Sr. is that sometime after the people have arrived in the New World, they’re traveling and they’re being led by the Liahona. And the Liahona leads them to this strange object, and the guy who finds it doesn’t know what it is. So they have a tabernacle, which shows you that they’re in between temples, which would’ve only been the case either when they first arrived in the New World and had not yet built a temple or during the exodus Mosiah led from the Land of Nephi, where they had a temple, to Zarahemla where they would build a temple. He brings this object into the tabernacle and immediately the voice of the Lord asks him a question, presumably from behind the veil covering the Holy of Holies where the Lord’s presence was understood to dwell. And the voice asks him, “What is that in your hand?” And Lapham says the man responded that “he did not know but that he had come to inquire” – those are Lapham’s exact words. So the Lord tells the man to take this object and put it on his face, and then to cover his face with animal skins. And when he does, he’s able to see anything supernaturally, it’s the interpreters. At that point the Liahona actually stops working; the Liahona, which led him to the interpreters, is actually now replaced by the interpreters. This would explain not only how the Nephites get the interpreters, but also why the military expeditions in the book of Alma ever uses the Liahona for guidance.

Five artifacts

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet to Oliver Cowdery, David Whitmer, and Martin Harris, at Fayette, New York, June 1829, prior to their viewing the engraved plates that contained the Book of Mormon record. Joseph and his scribe, Oliver Cowdery, had learned from the translation of the Book of Mormon plates that three special witnesses would be designated (see Ether 5:2–4; 2 Nephi 11:3; 27:12). Oliver Cowdery, David Whitmer, and Martin Harris were moved upon by an inspired desire to be the three special witnesses. The Prophet inquired of the Lord, and this revelation was given in answer through the Urim and Thummim.

Behold, I say unto you, that you must rely upon my word, which if you do with full purpose of heart, you shall have a view of the plates, and also of the breastplate, the sword of Laban, the Urim and Thummim, which were given to the brother of Jared upon the mount, when he talked with the Lord face to face, and the miraculous directors which were given to Lehi while in the wilderness, on the borders of the Red Sea.  (D&C 17 section heading and verse 1)

The plates, the interpreters and the breastplate were obtained by Joseph Smith, used by him to accomplish the work of translation, and then immediately retrieved by the angel.  Joseph never got to hold onto them (keep and preserve them), nor did he ever get to obtain the sword of Laban and the Liahona.  He never got the gift required to preserve these artifacts, which was the miraculous strength of the Lord, because they were never meant for him, but were always intended to be used by the next seer that followed him, who would have that gift.

Nevertheless, it was essential that the Three Witnesses be able to testify that these five artifacts were real things, for it was always the intention of the Lord to bring them back, that they be used again among men.  I will explain why this is so.

The Liahona

In the post Lehi’s Trek to China and North America, I went into some detail as to how the Liahona worked, so I won’t rehash that, but I will say that after the group got to the promised land, it was most definitely used again.  Even though the text doesn’t explicitly say so, I will show where it was used.

It was used by Nephi to get to the land of Nephi:

Behold, it came to pass that I, Nephi, did cry much unto the Lord my God, because of the anger of my brethren.

But behold, their anger did increase against me, insomuch that they did seek to take away my life.

Yea, they did murmur against me, saying: Our younger brother thinks to rule over us; and we have had much trial because of him; wherefore, now let us slay him, that we may not be afflicted more because of his words. For behold, we will not have him to be our ruler; for it belongs unto us, who are the elder brethren, to rule over this people.

Now I do not write upon these plates all the words which they murmured against me. But it sufficeth me to say, that they did seek to take away my life.

And it came to pass that the Lord did warn me, that I, Nephi, should depart from them and flee into the wilderness, and all those who would go with me.

Wherefore, it came to pass that I, Nephi, did take my family, and also Zoram and his family, and Sam, mine elder brother and his family, and Jacob and Joseph, my younger brethren, and also my sisters, and all those who would go with me. And all those who would go with me were those who believed in the warnings and the revelations of God; wherefore, they did hearken unto my words.

And we did take our tents and whatsoever things were possible for us, and did journey in the wilderness for the space of many days. And after we had journeyed for the space of many days we did pitch our tents.

And my people would that we should call the name of the place Nephi; wherefore, we did call it Nephi.

And all those who were with me did take upon them to call themselves the people of Nephi.

And we did observe to keep the judgments, and the statutes, and the commandments of the Lord in all things, according to the law of Moses.

And the Lord was with us; and we did prosper exceedingly; for we did sow seed, and we did reap again in abundance. And we began to raise flocks, and herds, and animals of every kind.

And I, Nephi, had also brought the records which were engraven upon the plates of brass; and also the ball, or compass, which was prepared for my father by the hand of the Lord, according to that which is written.  (2 Ne. 5:1-12)

It was used by Mosiah to get to the land of Zarahemla:

Behold, I am Amaleki, the son of Abinadom. Behold, I will speak unto you somewhat concerning Mosiah, who was made king over the land of Zarahemla; for behold, he being warned of the Lord that he should flee out of the land of Nephi, and as many as would hearken unto the voice of the Lord should also depart out of the land with him, into the wilderness—

And it came to pass that he did according as the Lord had commanded him. And they departed out of the land into the wilderness, as many as would hearken unto the voice of the Lord; and they were led by many preachings and prophesyings. And they were admonished continually by the word of God; and they were led by the power of his arm, through the wilderness until they came down into the land which is called the land of Zarahemla.  (Omni 1:12-13)

[This part has been removed, due to errors.  See this comment to read what was originally written here.]

Okay, so that’s enough.  I just wanted to show that the interpreters did not replace the Liahona.  The interpreters were for translation, whereas the Liahona was for guiding the people to and from their promised lands of inheritance.  Thus, the Liahona was not a relic, but a compass that was kept and preserved for future migrations of the people, in which they needed to be guided to another land of promise.

Joseph Smith never needed the Liahona, for the migrations of the Gentile saints were, more or less, along known paths.  Also, he didn’t have the strength of the Lord to keep it safe, therefore, as it wasn’t needed, and giving it to him posed a very real danger, for it wasn’t safe with him, it was retained.  But the ancient Nephites did not have such a restriction placed upon them.  The Liahona was with them to the very end and they were given the strength, and even commanded, to keep and preserve it, along with the other artifacts.

The Liahona will be used again in the future, by the next seer, because it will be needed, for the land will be completely changed or altered, and everyone will be, essentially, lost, in terms of point of reference.  Thus, the physical will match the spiritual, for as their souls will become lost, through their sinfulness, so will they physically be lost, or not know how to get from one point to the next.  Our modern compasses will no longer work, the satellite systems will be down, and nobody will have any frame of reference upon which to rely.  Even the starry skies will be altered, so that navigation by the stars will be impossible.  Thus, the Liahona’s need.

The interpreters and breastplate

The story given at the start of this blog post sounds about right to me.  Meg is incorrect, though, about that man being Lehi.  It was not Lehi, but Mosiah.  Mosiah is the very first person mentioned in the record who translated anything:

And it came to pass in the days of Mosiah, there was a large stone brought unto him with engravings on it; and he did interpret the engravings by the gift and power of God.  (Omni 1:20)

Mosiah needed the interpreters, therefore, he got them.  But they did not replace the Liahona.  Later on, the interpreters were used to translate the plates of Ether.  Again, this shows that God prepares these things for future purposes.  These same interpreters were for translating the plates of Mormon the first time, via Joseph Smith, and also will be used to translate them the second time, via the second seer, as well as all the records of this and other continents.

Again, when the interpreters return, like the Liahona’s return, they will be kept and preserved by the next seer, to be used and preserved perpetually, for they were never intended to be temporary measures, but a permanent thing.  We can expect, then, that the next seer will have all three of these items in his possession, or at least claim to have them.

Now, about that breastplate.  It was likely of Jaredite origin, like the interpreters.  It may have been created by the brother of Jared, or by the Lord, but it surely proceeded from the time that the brother of Jared received the interpreters from the Lord, and not from the Nephites.  Therefore, it was made either by the Lord, or by the brother of Jared (or some other Jaredite) specifically for some person.  That person was not Joseph Smith, nor any of the ancient Nephites, but for the next seer.  In other words, it is a custom fit for him, but for all others, it was an imperfect fit.  The next seer, who will be the Josephite, then, will be a man large in stature, for he must fit into this breastplate perfectly, for it was made specifically for him.

The plates of Mormon

Not much to say here, except that when the next seer gets these plates, they ain’t going back.  They will remain kept and preserved, safe in his possession, and stay with the people of God throughout their generations, like the rest of the artifacts.  Their use will be specific, even after he translates them, for the sealed portion, which was written in the ancient language of the Nephites, was for the Nephites of the future, to read via or sans the interpreters.  Remember what I wrote about captain Moroni being a man of perfect understanding?  History is going to repeat itself, for the new Nephites are going to need to re-learn the old languages and read their scriptures in these languages, too.

The sword of Laban

We don’t know the history of the sword of Laban.  It may be that Laban made the sword himself, or caused some steel-worker to make the sword for him.  But I highly doubt it.  The sword of Laban strikes me as a historical (and practical) emblem of the deliverers, for this is how it was used by the Nephites, and they followed the same custom of the Jews.  In other words, Laban inherited the sword from the previous deliverer.  Now, I have written before about deliverers and the principle of deliverance (see The significance of captain Moroni) and I have also written a little bit about the need to kill Laban and why he was entrusted with the plates (see, for example, Nephi slaying Laban in light of D&C 98), but I don’t think I have ever explained that Laban was the appointed Jewish deliverer at that time.  Unfortunately, instead of being a righteous man, he was a murderer.

The sword of Laban was the emblem of deliverance, for both Jewish times and Nephite times.  It was passed down from one appointed deliverer to the next, to be used to protect the people of the Lord from the wicked who were trying to slay them.  The first recorded use of the sword of Laban, by Nephi, shows him using it for that very purpose, for Laban was actively trying to kill them, and Nephi delivered himself and his brothers by using the sword to end Laban’s life.

Later on, Nephi wields the sword again, in the protection of his people from Lamanite attack.  The sword then gets passed down, from one king to the next, who use it as the appointed Nephite deliverers, to protect the people from the Lamanites, ending the life of the murderous, wicked Lamanites, so that the righteous Nephites are spared.  During the times of the judges, it gets used again, this time by the chief commanders, who were the appointed deliverers.

Now, the Book of Mormon text does not explicitly state this stuff.  Nevertheless, this is my understanding of these things, and that this sword was passed down and used by all these men who were appointed chief captains over the entire Nephite armies, as the emblem of the Lord’s deliverance.

Joseph Smith, however, did not get the sword.  Why not?  He was not appointed to be a deliverer.  But the next seer, the Josephite, will be like unto Moses, and will deliver the Lord’s people from captivity.  And guess what that guy is going to be wielding?  The very sword of Laban.  The Lord is going to make such a show before the people that the Gentiles are going to be astounded by what they see, for this man is going to be decked out, in Nephite clothing and armor, wielding the sword of Laban, and, being of large stature, he is going to intimidate all those around him.

Now, this may sound like a bunch of foolishness to people, for we use guns, not swords, today.  But remember that post I wrote back in 2010?  (“And thus, with the sword…”)  So, these artifacts are all coming back, and will be used by this guy.  They were used by the ancients, but they were specifically made for the end times, to be used and wielded by the Josephite.

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  1. Once again, I don’t have time to check for typos, but will do so at a later time.

  2. This post is what happens when you are in a rush, when you are flying by the seat of your pants because you don’t have your notes and are merely relying upon your memory, when you don’t have your scriptures and are too lazy to search through the online scriptures to double check your facts, and when you don’t feel like waiting until tomorrow to properly publish what can be improperly published today. Having stated that, I am disappointed with the LDSA blog readership, for you all have had nearly a day to point out the huge error in the post, and none of you have done so. So, I guess it is up to me to correct myself.

    Post correction
    About two hours after I hit the publish button, I picked up a Book of Mormon and the second passage I turned to was:

    And it came to pass that after king Benjamin had made an end of these sayings to his son, that he gave him charge concerning all the affairs of the kingdom.

    And moreover, he also gave him charge concerning the records which were engraven on the plates of brass; and also the plates of Nephi; and also, the sword of Laban, and the ball or director, which led our fathers through the wilderness, which was prepared by the hand of the Lord that thereby they might be led, every one according to the heed and diligence which they gave unto him.

    Therefore, as they were unfaithful they did not prosper nor progress in their journey, but were driven back, and incurred the displeasure of God upon them; and therefore they were smitten with famine and sore afflictions, to stir them up in remembrance of their duty. (Mosiah 1:15-17)

    , which invalidates several sections of the post, (which sections I have now removed.) Zeniff cannot have taken the Liahona with him if Benjamin gave it to his son Mosiah after Zeniff had already left the land! (While I was writing the post, I actually had the urge to search out all the passages that mentioned the Liahona, so as to double check my facts, but was too lazy to do it with the online scriptures.) Nevertheless, the excised material serves as a teaching lesson, therefore I will include it here, in this comment, to further explain things, for although some of the facts are wrong, the principles as given in the post are correct.

    It was used by Zeniff to go back to the land of Nephi:

    And yet, I being over-zealous to inherit the land of our fathers, collected as many as were desirous to go up to possess the land, and started again on our journey into the wilderness to go up to the land; but we were smitten with famine and sore afflictions; for we were slow to remember the Lord our God.

    Nevertheless, after many days’ wandering in the wilderness we pitched our tents in the place where our brethren were slain, which was near to the land of our fathers. (Mosiah 9:3-4)

    Now, the point I was trying to make is this: if they had the Liahona with them, they used it to guide them in their journeys to and from the lands of their inheritance, for this was its purpose, and the purposes of the Lord must be fulfilled. Nephi had the Liahona, therefore he used it to get to the land of Nephi. Mosiah had the Liahona, therefore he used it to get to the land of Zarahemla. I had also (erroneously) assumed that Zeniff had the Liahona, and also later Alma, which if they had, they would have used it. I will explain later why I had assumed that they had had it.

    The one who brought the Liahona with that group was, perhaps, of the prophetic lineage of Jacob (a Jacobite), which had very many prophets among them, and was, perhaps, Amaleki’s brother, which is why Amaleki even felt inspired to mention it in the record:

    And I, Amaleki, had a brother, who also went with them; and I have not since known concerning them. And I am about to lie down in my grave; and these plates are full. And I make an end of my speaking. (Omni 1:30)

    This brother of Amaleki was then, perhaps, the father of Abinadi, the holy prophet that king Noah later caused to be killed.

    This part of the excised passage is interesting, for it actually might be true. Abinadi might indeed have been a descendant of Amaleki’s brother.

    When Alma the younger was talking to his son Helaman about the Liahona, he was referring, principally, then, to the travels of Zeniff to the land of Nephi (who where his immediate fathers), and not to the travels of Lehi and Nephi to the promised land:

    And now, my son, I have somewhat to say concerning the thing which our fathers call a ball, or director—or our fathers called it Liahona, which is, being interpreted, a compass; and the Lord prepared it.

    And behold, there cannot any man work after the manner of so curious a workmanship. And behold, it was prepared to show unto our fathers the course which they should travel in the wilderness.

    And it did work for them according to their faith in God; therefore, if they had faith to believe that God could cause that those spindles should point the way they should go, behold, it was done; therefore they had this miracle, and also many other miracles wrought by the power of God, day by day.

    Nevertheless, because those miracles were worked by small means it did show unto them marvelous works. They were slothful, and forgot to exercise their faith and diligence and then those marvelous works ceased, and they did not progress in their journey;

    Therefore, they tarried in the wilderness, or did not travel a direct course, and were afflicted with hunger and thirst, because of their transgressions. (Alma 37:38-42)

    Again, compare that to what Zeniff said:

    “but we were smitten with famine and sore afflictions; for we were slow to remember the Lord our God”

    Notice the similarity between Mormon’s words: “therefore they were smitten with famine and sore afflictions, to stir them up in remembrance of their duty”, and Zeniff’s words: “but we were smitten with famine and sore afflictions; for we were slow to remember the Lord our God”.

    Now, the Liahona was surely with Zeniff, for this is the very purpose that the Lord made the Liahona: getting to and from the lands of promise, and more especially for the redemption of Zion.

    When Alma, the wicked priest of Noah, repented of his sins and fled, he took with him the very Liahona that they had used to get to the land of Nephi. Thus, Alma used it to get to the land of Helam:

    Now Alma, having been warned of the Lord that the armies of king Noah would come upon them, and having made it known to his people, therefore they gathered together their flocks, and took of their grain, and departed into the wilderness before the armies of king Noah.

    And the Lord did strengthen them, that the people of king Noah could not overtake them to destroy them.

    And they fled eight days’ journey into the wilderness.

    And they came to a land, yea, even a very beautiful and pleasant land, a land of pure water.

    And it came to pass that they began to prosper exceedingly in the land; and they called the land Helam. (Mosiah 23:1-4,19)

    When Alma showed the Lamanites the way back to the land of Nephi, he did so by means of the Liahona:

    And it came to pass that the Lamanites promised unto Alma and his brethren, that if they would show them the way which led to the land of Nephi that they would grant unto them their lives and their liberty.

    But after Alma had shown them the way that led to the land of Nephi the Lamanites would not keep their promise; but they set guards round about the land of Helam, over Alma and his brethren. (Mosiah 23:36-37)

    Alma used the Liahona to guide his people to the land of Zarahemla:

    And now the Lord said unto Alma: Haste thee and get thou and this people out of this land, for the Lamanites have awakened and do pursue thee; therefore get thee out of this land, and I will stop the Lamanites in this valley that they come no further in pursuit of this people.

    And it came to pass that they departed out of the valley, and took their journey into the wilderness.

    And after they had been in the wilderness twelve days they arrived in the land of Zarahemla; and king Mosiah did also receive them with joy. (Mosiah 24:23-25)

    Here is where I made the erroneous assumption, for I assumed that since Noah believed that his presence there equated to the redemption of Zion (according to the teachings found in the redemption of Zion post), then they must have had the Liahona, for the Liahona will be used to guide the people back to Zion. But I assumed too much about Noah. I assumed he would know this, but it turns out that wicked Noah was also a bit of a numbskull in spiritual matters and prophecy, for they did not possess a Liahona, therefore this could not have been the redemption of Zion. But Noah didn’t care about that pesky fact.

    Now, the lesson is this: if any professed prophet, seer or revelator comes forth among the latter-day saints and says, “Let us return to the land of Zion to redeem it and build the city, for the time has come!” and he does not possess the Liahona to lead the people by it, we can know of a surety that he is a false prophet, seer or revelator and that that false gathering will not redeem Zion. So don’t follow him. (The saints started gathering to Zion without a Liahona, for there was no need for it. But once they were scattered off of it, its redemption would only come by power. Part of the manifestation of that power will be through the Liahona.)

    Okay, having gotten that out of the way, let me explain some more things. Samuel the Lamanite prophesied the following:

    Yea, at the time that he shall yield up the ghost there shall be thunderings and lightnings for the space of many hours, and the earth shall shake and tremble; and the rocks which are upon the face of this earth, which are both above the earth and beneath, which ye know at this time are solid, or the more part of it is one solid mass, shall be broken up;

    22 Yea, they shall be rent in twain, and shall ever after be found in seams and in cracks, and in broken fragments upon the face of the whole earth, yea, both above the earth and beneath.

    23 And behold, there shall be great tempests, and there shall be many mountains laid low, like unto a valley, and there shall be many places which are now called valleys which shall become mountains, whose height is great. (Hel. 14:21-23)

    As part of the restoration of all things, those broken rocks are going back into one solid mass and those valleys will become again mountains and those mountains will become again valleys. So the land is going to be radically altered, yet again. (And that includes Zion, which is supposed to be on a mountain, but which is currently flat land.) Thus the need for the Liahona.

    The interpreters (and other artifacts) were handed down from one seer to the next. This may be the reason why Joseph was to appoint the next seer, in order to follow this pattern.

    All these artifacts were kept in a perfect state of preservation, including the sword of Laban. Whereas the Jaredite blades became rusted

    And again, they have brought swords, the hilts thereof have perished, and the blades thereof were cankered with rust (Mosiah 8:11)

    , the sword of Laban never did.

    My assumption of the breastplate being large comes from Mosiah 8:10:

    And behold, also, they have brought breastplates, which are large, and they are of brass and of copper, and are perfectly sound.

    Assuming the breastplate to have a Jaredite origin, it would also be large like the others.

    The slaying of Laban by Nephi can be viewed as the Lord plucking out wicked Laban as the appointed deliverer and planting righteous Nephi in his stead, as the new deliverer:

    For, verily I say that the rebellious are not of the blood of Ephraim, wherefore they shall be plucked out.

    Behold, I, the Lord, have made my church in these last days like unto a judge sitting on a hill, or in a high place, to judge the nations.

    For it shall come to pass that the inhabitants of Zion shall judge all things pertaining to Zion.

    And liars and hypocrites shall be proved by them, and they who are not apostles and prophets shall be known.

    And even the bishop, who is a judge, and his counselors, if they are not faithful in their stewardships shall be condemned, and others shall be planted in their stead. (D&C 64:36-40)

    (Obviously, this principle applies equally to all other tribes of Israel.) The sword, the emblem of the Lord’s appointed deliverer, His appointed deliverance and His appointed justice and judgment, got transferred (and used) in the process. As the new deliverer, Nephi’s first task was to slay the wicked (i.e., execute the Lord’s justice and judgment), for all deliverers represent the Lord in this function. Even more interesting than the sword transfer is that Nephi put on all of Laban’s clothing and even commanded Zoram in Laban’s voice, essentially becoming a righteous version of Laban, the Laban that could and should have been, had he not rebelled against the Lord.

    Lastly, the ship Nephi and his brothers built will also likely play a part in the future. It can be considered yet another artifact to be restored and used.

  3. Okay, I have corrected the typos (and also the big error!) Feel free to read at your leisure.

    Before leaving the blog for today, I want to say one more thing concerning Laban being the appointed deliverer of his time. I wrote somewhere on this blog that the slaying of Laban was a great miracle, for he was, essentially, impossible to kill. These deliverers were considered untouchable, undefeatable, impossible to kill, because they Lord Himself protected them. They were intended to be God’s representatives of His eternal justice. You know how the Book of Mormon keeps mentioning the “sword of justice” hanging over the Nephites or the Jaredites, which was code for “repent or die!” (If you don’t know what I’m talking about, do a key word search on it.) Anyway, these deliverers were, essentially, God’s living sword of justice among His people. Laban, then, as God’s appointed deliverer, was considered protected by God. An angel appearing to Laban and Lemuel and saying that God will deliver Laban into their hands would almost have to be considered as having been sent by the devil, for God does not deliver His own deliverers into the hands of others. Oh, but He does, doesn’t He?, (if those deliverers transgress.) And Laban’s sins were a mile long, he misusing the holy office to his own aggrandizement and attempting to kill God’s own prophets and seers. So Laban had to go and a new deliverer installed. Hence the slaying.

    Now, the new deliverer (Nephi) didn’t stay in Jerusalem to deliver the people, but was sent to a foreign land. So, the wicked Jews of Jerusalem were toast. God took away their wicked deliverer, installed a new righteous one, but then refused to deliver the people in their wickedness. The Jews, finding Laban dead, should have pooped their pants and repented on the spot. But the fools didn’t see it for what it really was: another sign of their impending doom.

  4. More on Laban as deliverer

    And the Lamanites did flee again before them, towards the land of Manti; and they were met again by the armies of Moroni.

    Now in this case the Lamanites did fight exceedingly; yea, never had the Lamanites been known to fight with such exceedingly great strength and courage, no, not even from the beginning.

    And they were inspired by the Zoramites and the Amalekites, who were their chief captains and leaders, and by Zerahemnah, who was their chief captain, or their chief leader and commander; yea, they did fight like dragons, and many of the Nephites were slain by their hands, yea, for they did smite in two many of their head-plates, and they did pierce many of their breastplates, and they did smite off many of their arms; and thus the Lamanites did smite in their fierce anger.

    Nevertheless, the Nephites were inspired by a better cause, for they were not fighting for monarchy nor power but they were fighting for their homes and their liberties, their wives and their children, and their all, yea, for their rites of worship and their church.

    And they were doing that which they felt was the duty which they owed to their God; for the Lord had said unto them, and also unto their fathers, that: Inasmuch as ye are not guilty of the first offense, neither the second, ye shall not suffer yourselves to be slain by the hands of your enemies.

    And again, the Lord has said that: Ye shall defend your families even unto bloodshed. Therefore for this cause were the Nephites contending with the Lamanites, to defend themselves, and their families, and their lands, their country, and their rights, and their religion.

    And it came to pass that when the men of Moroni saw the fierceness and the anger of the Lamanites, they were about to shrink and flee from them. And Moroni, perceiving their intent, sent forth and inspired their hearts with these thoughts—yea, the thoughts of their lands, their liberty, yea, their freedom from bondage.

    And it came to pass that they turned upon the Lamanites, and they cried with one voice unto the Lord their God, for their liberty and their freedom from bondage.

    And they began to stand against the Lamanites with power; and in that selfsame hour that they cried unto the Lord for their freedom, the Lamanites began to flee before them; and they fled even to the waters of Sidon.

    Now, the Lamanites were more numerous, yea, by more than double the number of the Nephites; nevertheless, they were driven insomuch that they were gathered together in one body in the valley, upon the bank by the river Sidon. (Alma 43:42-51)

    For the first time in Nephite history, the Nephites were about to flee from the more numerous Lamanites, but their leader, Moroni, would not have it on his watch, for fleeing was not an option for the Nephites. They were endowed with power from God to win every battle, which was the miraculous strength of the Lord, and were given deliverers from God as their leaders, who possessed supernatural wisdom from God, therefore to flee an enemy was a sin. It meant the people were not exercising their faith as they should. All deliverers, then, were men who were super faithful and super righteous, to exceed that of the average Nephite, that they might inspire or instill faith in the masses. To find the most faithful man, one needed only to look at the appointed deliverer. Now Laban was the appointed deliverer of Jerusalem, yet he was unrighteous and unfaithful. Nevertheless, he was still representative of the very best the Jews had to offer. This shows how sick Jerusalem really was, for even their appointed deliverer was totally corrupt from head to toe. It is no wonder the city was destroyed.

  5. Hey great post again.

    1 error I saw in your analysis of Laban was that he was “Jewish” which would infer he is of the house of Judah but he wasnt…He was of the seed of Joseph (not sure if it was Ephraim or Manasseh)

    1 Nephi 5:16

    16 And thus my father, Lehi, did discover the genealogy of his fathers. And Laban also was a descendant of Joseph, wherefore he and his fathers had kept the records.

    Jewish or Jew equates to the house of Judah, not the House of Israel which is God’s chosen seed with the priesthood in the seed or body (D&C 107 40) based on the 1st covenant made with God the Father in the pre-existence. ie., Stick of Judah, stick of Joseph. Jew is often used for the House of Israel but obviously Laban is not a Jew but of the house of Joseph. The use of Jew is customary or known as but not always literal like the “Drunkards of Ephraim” (Isaiah 28:1) are the gentile church of LDS, obviously not the majority LDS people are literally in Ephraimites but think they are so I imagine the Lord uses the non-literal terms of identification for specific purposes because Nephi clarifies it in 1 Neph. 5:16.

    The sword was part of Nephi’s inheritance as Nephi was house of Manasseh through Joseph’s seed and the land of 1st inheritance was also promised to the seed of Joseph from Jacob through Enoch then on to Adam. Land of first inheritance is promised to the seed of Joseph specifically but all those in the House of Israel and gentiles who repent in the redemption of Zion.

    Mosiah 10:13

    13 And again, that they were wronged while in the land of their first inheritance,

    Alma 54:12

    will follow you even into your own land, which is the land of our first inheritance;

    First inheritance refers to Adam and Enoch, “Adam-Ondi-Ahman”, this is the land of first inheritance for the literal seed through Adam, Enoch, Abraham, Jacob or House of Israel (D&C 107 40-59) The literal seed being God’s people with the priesthood as high priests based on covenant made directly with God the Father before the earth. (Hebrew 7, Abraham 2:11) Only a Gentil can “receive” the priesthood, the seed of Abraham already has it and it must be activated through a blessing based on righteousness.

    In my opinion the sword will identify the “Choice Seer” or One Mighty and Strong in the last days and. The second seer you wrote of which will also have the other items the Lord preserved for His people (not gentiles). Gentiles can only be numbered among the seed. The Daughter of Zion must arise which will be directed by the Lord through the “choice seer” (not Joseph Smith obviously) and the seer is of the seed of Joseph, through Lehi. (Native North American).

    The Daughter of Zion (Isaiah 62:11) is not Zion obviously but a preparatory place which is now needed since Joseph Smith could not establish it in the time of the Gentiles, which of course the Lord knew would happen, and now the times of the house of Israel are upon us as the Gentile church (Lds and off-shoots) have “polluted the holy church of God” (in bed with Secret Combinations and the state) as Moroni states in Moroni 8 and 3rd Nephi 16 and now the Church of First Born, (synonymous with Church of Christ but signifying full sanctification in the flesh and manifestation from the Son) will be established soon to prepare for the New Jerusalem to ascend from Heaven.

    This pollution happened early on just after Joseph’s death but the gentiles role in redeeming Zion was foreordained so that the record of their (specific Native North Americans) fathers (Nephi, Lehi) would come to the seed of Lehi and the One Mighty and strong would come to a knowledge of the gospel and gather the Lord’s people and gentiles who repent, to build Zion through the daughter of Zion (preparatory place, not missouri but in the land Adam was made to go after the fall, Isaiah 62:11) in the land of 1st inheritance and prepare for Zion to ascend from Heaven and in Zion or New Jerusalem (Spring Hill, Missouri) there is no Temple. (Revelations 21:22)…but of course Jesus is the gatekeeper to New Jerusalem and one must see him face to face in the flesh to enter and receive of the “reward”

    Luckily Zion and daughter of Zion has no “Government” because all who will be in Zion will be there on their own free-will, giving their agency to God and his laws, being of one mind and one spirit and there will be no poor among them and all will see eye to eye. (3rd Nephi 16:18) The Watchman is the seer and the seer is the head of the Lord’s Church (D&C 10:67, all who repent and receive Him) and possesses the gifts of God and also the items (Liahona, Urim and Thummim, D&C 107:91,92)

    The land will change and the Gentile Church will be wandering and cut-off without the Liahona. This is the key and power of the One Mighty and Strong and the duty of any who seek redemption to be near the land of 1st inheritance in the daughter of Zion which is being gathered now.

  6. Than you for the compliment. I’m glad you liked the post.

    1 error I saw in your analysis of Laban was that he was “Jewish” which would infer he is of the house of Judah but he wasnt…

    I didn’t mean to use the term “Jewish” to indicate lineage of Judah, but merely used it as Nephi did, to distinguish “those living in the land of Jerusalem at that time,” called by Nephi, “Jews,” from both the Gentiles and also from the Nephites. Thus Laban was “Jewish” only in this sense. I apologize for the misunderstanding.

  7. Ok gotcha,
    Yea it would be long winded to expound entirely on the dynamic between scriptural use of Jews referring to lineage/seed as compared to where they had lived.

  8. I just read “Reclaim the Restoration: An Invitation to every Latter Day Saint” and these words of mine came to mind, which is taken from the second comment above:

    Now, the lesson is this: if any professed prophet, seer or revelator comes forth among the latter-day saints and says, “Let us return to the land of Zion to redeem it and build the city, for the time has come!” and he does not possess the Liahona to lead the people by it, we can know of a surety that he is a false prophet, seer or revelator and that that false gathering will not redeem Zion. So don’t follow him. (The saints started gathering to Zion without a Liahona, for there was no need for it. But once they were scattered off of it, its redemption would only come by power. Part of the manifestation of that power will be through the Liahona.)

  9. Abinadi’s possible lineage as a Jacobite (i.e. of the line of prophets)

    Lehi begat Jacob;
    and Jacob begat Enos;
    and Enos begat Jarom;
    and Jarom begat Omni;
    and Omni begat Amaron and Chemish;
    and Chemish begat Abinadom;
    and Abinadom begat Amaleki and an unnamed son;
    and the unnamed son left with Zeniff’s group about 200 BC.
    50 years later, in 150 B.C., Abinadi starts prophesying in Zeniff’s group.

    Abinadi, then, is possibly a descendant of Abinadom, being his grandson or great-grandson. Abinadi, then, would be a Jacobite and thus of the prophetic genealogical lines.

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