Mormon.org profiles: enhanced membership tracking?


Someone communicated to me that this past Sunday in their elders quorum, the elders quorum president said that next week (which would be tomorrow) there would be a digital camera ready to take everyone’s picture so that all the elders of his ward could have their own profile on Mormon.org. The elders quorum president said that each member of the quorum would need to fill out some paperwork and permission forms and that the camera and forms would be available over a period of weeks, so that those members who come less regularly could get their profile online when they showed up for church. I asked this person whether this was just for his ward or stake or for the entire church. He said he was under the impression that it was a church-wide program. He also stated that he saw a leadership list (he being in several callings and having access to certain leadership materials) in which the men listed had not only their name, telephone and address on it, but also their picture.

I knew, of course, of the Mormon.org profiles, in which any member can voluntarily participate by going to that web site. But this was the first time I’d heard of elders quorum members being approached in church and asked to submit profiles in such a direct way, with camera and forms ready and waiting. Can anyone confirm that this is a church-wide program?

This may be important because of a certain theory I have heard. It goes something like this: the church has been infiltrated by the Fabian Society (the wolves in sheep’s clothing).  As the priesthood of God is the only thing that can stand in the way of Satan, it may be necessary to take them out at some point. Currently, the strategy is to keep the priesthood “sleeping,” (a sleeping giant). But if it ever were to start to wake up and use its power, that would be an unacceptable situation and a danger to the devil, so the priesthood must be tracked. In this way, if it is necessary, the coercive forces at the devil’s fingertips (such as the powers of the state) can be brought to bear upon every male member of the church who holds the priesthood.

In my mind, if this is, indeed, a church-wide program, and the leaders are amassing a database of priesthood holders with images of the men, this might lend some credence to the above theory. However, maybe I got bad information. Maybe this is just a local program initiated by some overzealous bishop or stake president, with nothing, whatsoever, to do with the entire church.

If anybody has information on this, please speak up.

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  1. The presiding member of the seventy at my stake’s conference mentioned the profiles, talked about how important they are in missionary work b/c of a large no. of coverts coming from media contacts, and encouraged everyone to go to mormon.org and start one if they haven’t already.

    I’ll see what happens tomorrow.

  2. We have been “admonished” to create profiles in our Priesthood Opening Exercises multiple times but have not had the hand holding helping us to create one that you describe…of course I have missed a few times in the last month or so and won’t be there tomorrow either so may be they have mentioned it…but I am in the EQ Presidency and it has not been talked about in any of our meetings

  3. I’ve never heard encouragement to start a mormon.org profile in church.

    I did start one though. But nothing on my profile has been approved.

  4. I would advice not creating a Mormon.org facebook page b/c of the access it gives IRI to your personal information:

    MORMON.org Content Submission Agreement
    You have sought to participate at Mormon.org by submitting content for potential use on the site.
    Mormon.org (the “site”) is a Website affiliated with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the “Church”), where individual members after registering using their LDS Account username and password are now given the opportunity to submit content including writings, photos, artwork, text, video recordings, audio recordings and other content as part of their own profile for the public to see and review to get a better sense of the community of people that make up members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. You have expressed a desire to voluntarily provide such content, but to do so you must agree as follows:

    a. You understand and agree that if you submit any writing, photo, artwork, text, video recording, audio recording or any other material (“Submission”) to the site, at any time, you grant to Intellectual Reserve, Inc. and its licensees, successors, assigns and affiliated entities (collectively, “IRI”) the right to publish and use the Submission. IRI is the entity created and maintained by the Church to hold Church related intellectual property rights and interests. Additionally, you hereby grant to IRI a royalty-free, irrevocable, worldwide, non-exclusive, transferable license to use your Submission throughout the universe in perpetuity, and to reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform, display, and to incorporate the Submission (in whole or in part) in other works, in any form, media, or technology now known or later developed. You further agree that while IRI is under no obligation to provide you with credit for the Submission, IRI may, at its sole discretion, distribute your name and other personal information, as provided by you, in connection with the Submission. You also authorize IRI to edit your Submission for grammar, spelling and content.

    b. You understand that IRI maintains membership and related records containing personal information about you which may include, but is not limited to: name, age, address, Church membership status and location of Church membership. IRI uses this information to help administer the use of the Submissions and the use of the site. You further grant IRI permission to collect and process additional limited personal information about you, including, but not limited to, your e-mail address, one or more photographs of you, and other personal information you might choose to upload through the site. This personal information is collected to allow IRI to identify and contact you regarding the Submission and to publish such content. You hereby consent to this collection, use, processing, disclosure and transfer of your personal information for the purposes described above.

    c. You acknowledge that IRI is not obligated to use your Submission in any form. While IRI acknowledges that you shall continue to own all copyright to your Submission, subject to the unrestricted license granted above, you acknowledge and agree that you will not have any right, title or interest in or to any work, publication or material that is produced by IRI and which contains all or a portion of your Submission. You agree that you have not and will not sell or license any part of your Submission in a way that would impair or restrict IRI from fully using the licenses you have granted above.

    d. You are under no obligation to provide a Submission. Additionally, you will not receive any compensation for any Submission, for the licenses granted above, or for any waiver or any grant of additional rights as outlined herein. You agree that IRI’s review of your Submission for possible use is adequate consideration for the rights and licenses granted in this Agreement.

    e. You warrant that you will not submit any material that is prohibited by law in any applicable jurisdiction or to which you do not have the right to grant the license above. You also warrant that you have the right to grant to IRI the rights granted above, and that such rights do not conflict with the rights (including, but not limited to, the copyrights and trademarks) of any other person or legal entity or with your obligations thereto.

    f. You warrant that you consent to IRI’s collection and use of your Submission and personal information; you agree to indemnify IRI for any liabilities associated with later acts by you or others in connection with this Agreement and the Submission; and you acknowledge and agree that you will be bound by all provisions contained in this Agreement. You agree that you shall have no claim of any kind or nature against IRI based on the exercise of any rights granted hereunder.

    g. The terms of this Agreement shall be governed by the laws of the State of Utah without regard to its conflict of law provisions and you agree that any disagreement arising from or related to this Agreement, which we cannot resolve through discussions, shall be settled exclusively in the courts located within the County of Salt Lake, Utah, United States of America. If any provision of this Agreement is found by a court of competent jurisdiction to be invalid, the parties nevertheless agree that the court should endeavor to give effect to the parties’ intentions as reflected in the provision, and the other provisions of the Agreement remain in full force and effect. You agree that in the event of any dispute regarding this agreement or your Submission, you will be limited to your remedies at law for damages and will not be entitled to terminate or rescind this Agreement, or to seek equitable or injunctive relief, or to enjoin, restrain or otherwise interfere with the exercise of the licenses granted herein.

    I have read, understand, and agree to all of the terms and conditions of this Content Submission Agreement. (Emphasis Mine)

    Note especially parts (b) and (f).

    Also considering the new CHI’s statement on members having internet web-pages — i.e. that they should make sure their full name and e-mail contact information is found on their site — I think there is an effort being made to compile on-line records for members, which won’t be used for nefarious purposes at first, but will be once the Church is broken-up.

  5. wow, amazing coincidence…? not four months ago did my elders quorum president ask me to start going to all elders in my ward and take their picture, implying (but not directly saying) going and knocking on their doors unannounced if they weren’t very active. i didn’t do it because i thought it was stupid and intrusive, and he moved to texas three weeks later.

  6. Nope, ain’t gonna happen here. If someone pulls a camera out on me, they will get a one finger salute in their picture.

  7. So now they have on the new lds.org an option to create an account using your membership number then you can have all your “persona” scripture study tracked as well…verses read, tags, highlights and notes.

  8. Elder C:

    I noticed that too as well — had the same misgivings about the tracking of one’s study habits.

  9. Alma 35:5
    Now their rulers and their PRIESTS and their teachers did not let the people know concerning their desires; therefore they found out privily the minds of all the people.

  10. Niiice!

  11. Our bishopric mentioned during sacrament meeting announcements last Sunday that all members should go to lds.org and mormon.org to check out and register for all the new features that the sites have. It sounded like a they were reading a written announcement, I would imagine originating with our stake.

  12. A forum discussion here was brought to my attention by a comment by a person named “Gomes” on a Wheat & Tares post:

    Interesting story… strange witchhunt that appears to be.

    In that story, I find it unfortunate how families turn on each other. This is largely an American phenomenon, as other cultures have much stronger familial bonds which simply don’t bend to a church organization… but here in the U.S., where it counts for most of us, I find it incredibly unfortunate that family members would turn another family member in to an appointment with the SP AND never first (or at all) address those concerns in person. Baffling. Certainly paints the allegiance line fairly brightly.

    I was going to post his comment on one of the tribal posts here until I went to read the linked story that Gomes’ comment was in response to. Of note in the story was:

    The SP more or less accused me of being a part of an apostate group know as the “Middle Way.” I was asked many questions about my involvement in the Middle Way movement of the church. The SP/BP are convince that the Middle Way is some kind of physical group that is determine to undermine the church. I tried to explain that it is more of a philosophy than an identity – but…
    […]
    Also – I was asked about my facebook status which has Buddhism as my religion and several Dalia Lama quotes as well a picture of the Dalia Lama being one of the influential people in my life. My daughter has used Dalia Lama quotes on MANY occasions at Stake events and such, so I can imagine the concern. Why would the SP be on my facebook page? He’s not my “friend” and I barely use that thing anyway.
    […]
    Perhaps the most disturbing part of my “interview” was the BP told me that the SP has been in contact with church headquarters, and has asked for my “records” including tithing amounts from the previous year. One of the concerns is that the SP is questioning my tithing status – which is weird because I did not claim to be a full tither payer this year. But the fact that the SP would go to this kind of investigation and get my “file” from SLC, go on facebook and look at my profile, is not good folks. It is not good at all.
    […]

    They are watching folks. To me, there is no doubt about it.

  13. It sounds to me like the leaders are playing the blame game. I suppose that numbers are down all across the board. Instead of looking inward, at themselves (Lord, is it I?) as the culprits, they turn their view outward. They see movements, groups, philosophies, which are trying to undermine the church and this is why numbers are down. Anyone with independent thoughts can “infect” the members who do not openly question authority, so all bad apples must be weeded out. Then the flock will be protected. Or so the thinking goes.

    But despite their appearance, these control systems are all very tenuous. The instant someone in the church sees an angel and starts to publish it (see below) as did Alma, the sons of Mosiah and those that were with them, everyone will see what a house of cards it all really is. The leadership will not stand for such behavior. He or she will immediately become public (church) enemy #1. And if there are two witnesses of angelic ministration, fulfilling the law of witnesses, church will become so lively, interesting (and divided) that probably even those who are inactive, upon hearing of this, will return to see what the leadership does about the “new threat” and to listen to the angelic messages and decide for themselves of their veracity.

    And now it came to pass that Alma began from this time forward to teach the people, and those who were with Alma at the time the angel appeared unto them, traveling round about through all the land, publishing to all the people the things which they had heard and seen, and preaching the word of God in much tribulation, being greatly persecuted by those who were unbelievers, being smitten by many of them.

    And they traveled throughout all the land of Zarahemla, and among all the people who were under the reign of king Mosiah, zealously striving to repair all the injuries which they had done to the church, confessing all their sins, and publishing all the things which they had seen, and explaining the prophecies and the scriptures to all who desired to hear them. (Mosiah 27: 32, 35)

  14. Didn’t know where else to post this — so I’m putting it here:

    I got a letter today from the church correlation dept. telling me that my membership record number was randomly selected, and I was wanted for participation in a series of surveys [essentially “market research”-type material].

    Because my answers will be tied to my membership record number, my wife suggested I abstain from participating [which I am going to do].

    I see negative/critical answers on the survey working essentially like the “tracking” aspect mentioned in this post — meaning, the correlation dept. will either get answers back that they want to hear and be satisfied — or they’ll get answers back that they don’t want to hear and kick that information on to local ecclesiastical leaders for “corrective action”.

  15. Yeah — I especially took interest that Jeffery Holland said that the primary purpose of the church’s investigatory arm used for membership tracking and data compilation — is:

    primarily there to guard against polygamy

    Or in other words — to gather information on members who promote polygamy.

  16. You know, I’ve seen and heard some very, very weird stuff over the last two years in regards to membership surveillance. I just want any brother or sister who might read this to know that they are not paranoid. As we form tribes we can literally become more in tune to the Holy Spirit. Native Americans and indigenous peoples from all over the world have an innate sense which enables them to avoid danger. Look at this as a chance to choose truth and in the process develop the very special gift of discernment. Discernment is vital these days. Seeing with our spirit eyes and hearing with our spirit ears even smelling with our spirit noses, we will be a thousand times more accurate than going by the temporal senses. Don’t be sense-u-all or else you can not successfully detect devils.

    Not to dwell solely on this one spiritual sense, but I do believe it is severely underdeveloped in most of us and this is due to doubt. But it would appear that life forms in the animal kingdom seem to be led by the spirit and have a very fine tuned sense of smell as a natural extension of those pre-seeded spiritual senses. The evil and conspiring men referenced in the revelation known as the Word of Wisdom told my gene-ration during the 80’s, through a Tucan named Sam…”Just follow your nose…it always knows”. Even the ancient Egyptian Wadjet eye points to the importance of the sense of smell.

    If we employ our spiritual olfactory can we detect the scent of the enemy on the adulterous bride of Christ? Next time you are in a government office breathe deeply and close your eyes. Can you hear the opening hymn being sung in the back of your mind?

    The enemy and those who succumb to his power are very astute sometimes but are not as spiritually in tune. But this does not matter since they see what they want to see and hear what they want to hear and will use their sly trickery to trap you because they are simply doing the bidding of their master, who wants you dead.

    This post brings up a darker side to this ongoing and accelerating break-up of the Churtch. It is not something to freak out about, but neither is it something to be ignored. Niceys, Noseys and Nazis all work hand in hand to build up the kingdom of the devil. This is why Moroni can truly say of the modern day Churtch that not a single one among them does good. And he doesn’t have to throw on a disclaimer like, “with the exception of your sweet home-teachers”. If this is the case, that some are doing good…how much longer will it be so? How can one be sure except by the power of God.

    The spirit put a thought into my head upon waking this morning. This thought was that what is currently happening unbeknownst to many connected to the Churtch is somewhat similar to what happened in the story of the nativity. The three wise men did not come the same night with the shepherds as Christ-Shun teaching would have us think, but later on. These three kings did not encounter the holy family first but rather Herod. Herod was not able to tell honest, truth seekers that he sought to kill the Christ Child, Truth made flesh. But he did try to work through them to get INFORMATION for TRACKING purposes.

    Now, in this case there are two things which protected the baby Jesus. One, they were not programmed home-teachers acting out their monthly home-teaching program…they were Magi, magic, mystic men of truth. So, they had the wisdom not to report anything to Herod. And two, Joseph’s own spiritual intuition got him out of dodge when Herod decided to literally send in the troops.

    The Book of Mormon tells us plainly what we can expect and we must not make the mistake of trusting Nice Guys in Ties over the voice of God within us; or of letting sweet acting cysters attach themselves to our homes trusting in the ‘natural man’ empirical evidence. Meteorologists are not even prophets but they will tell you of a storm when it is in the making rather than wait till it can be spotted on the horizon already in full efect tearing homes apart. Let me remind myself and my friends of the need to rely on the Lord and lean not to our own understanding.

  17. At this point the institution is working endlessly to keep a F-I-L-E on you+your kindred dead but is itself, almost entirely devoid of L-I-F-E. When we see such a dire dearth of the Spiritual Gifts in The Church, it’s like watching a poisoned puppy die a slow painful death. That poor D-O-G is in need of men who heed G-O-D and can, with love, fulfill the wise purposes of the Generator Operator Destroyer of Heaven and Earth.


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