A mass of confusion
Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets (Amos 3:7)
Surely the Lord God will do nothing, until he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets (JST Amos 3:7)
I like the Joseph Smith Translation version best so that is the text that I will use for this post.
The recent Invitation sent out by the Remnant (Denver Snuffer-inspired) groups got me thinking about how polarized the latter-day saints have become in their testimonies. I’ve read testimonies claiming that the Holy Ghost manifested the truth of Snuffer’s claims, and testimonies claiming that the Holy Ghost manifested the falsehood of his claims; testimonies that the church is true and the leaders are led and inspired of God and testimonies that the Brethren have departed from the way; all of these claim that their testimonies come from the Holy Ghost.
Additionally, I’ve read opinions of the latter-day saints saying that the Holy Ghost can say one thing to one person, such as “this is true,” and the exact opposite to another person, such as “this is NOT true;” and that it all depends upon what the person needs to hear in that particular moment. Truth or revelation, then, becomes relative to the circumstances of the person, but the Spirit is the same, meaning such contradictory manifestations proceed from the same Spirit. On the other hand, there are those who are quick to say that such manifestations DO NOT proceed from the same Spirit, but that one of these contradictory revelations come from a false spirit, or from imaginations of the heart, delusions, wishful thinking, etc.
A little bit of personal history
On this blog I have tried to stay as low key as possible about the real me, my actual experiences in real life, etc., so that no one can recognize me. But I want to take a little time, for once, and tell a few facts, so that people understand my perspective a little better.
I already said on this blog, on the Baptism of Fire post, I think it was, that when I was nine years old, I had a baptism of fire. That was the second time the Holy Ghost manifested anything to me. The first time, I missed it, or did not recognize that I was having a manifestation of the Spirit, because the missionaries neglected to tell me anything about the Holy Ghost, and so I had to put the pieces back together later on, like a detective, and reconstruct what actually happened. Two or three months after I turned nine years old, the missionaries knocked on my family’s door and during their discussion, in which they read the First Vision account of Joseph Smith, I gained a testimony of him by the power of the Holy Ghost. I won’t give any more details than that, for it will reveal who I am, for all who know this story will immediately recognize the peculiarity of all the circumstances. So, after this first manifestation, I had a second one, the baptism of fire, which again, I will not go into all those details, for all who know me are very familiar with this story.
The first two manifestations represented revelations, or manifestations of the spirit of revelation. After the baptism of fire, I joined the church. My memory of this next manifestation is a bit sketchy, but I believe it was after my baptism, and not before my baptism, but I know for sure that it was after the baptism of fire, that it occurred, but I don’t remember who I was speaking to; anyway, I was speaking to a family member and I prophesied that all of our immediate family would end up joining the church. This was the third time I had received a manifestation of the Holy Ghost, and it was a manifestation of the spirit of prophecy.
The prophecy itself was significant, in that one of our family was a professed atheist and agnostic, but within about three years became converted to the Lord and joined the church, nonetheless.
After my baptism, we began attending church on a regular basis, and I became churched. By this I mean that I turned my attention from where it was, on God, to the 15 Brethren and the Church, and I became a more or less normal latter-day saint, like any other Mormon boy, except for the curious experiences I had as an investigator and new member. Not surprisingly, the manifestations of the Holy Ghost altogether ceased.
Five years went by in spiritual silence, with me not understanding why the manifestations stopped, for I was very confused as to why the Spirit was no longer speaking to me. This may have been normal for other members, but it was not the normal that I wanted. I joined the church wanting to experience the same things the ancient saints experienced, all their various manifestations, and I got them, at first, but now they suddenly ceased, and I was very upset about it. “What was I doing wrong?” I wondered.
However, when I was 14 years old, I went to General Conference and while listening to the current president of the church speaking, the Holy Ghost again fell upon me and declared that the man was a prophet of God and was speaking the truth. “At last!,” I thought. “The Spirit speaks to me again!” And what was the man saying? He was calling the church to repentance, telling everyone to read the Book of Mormon.
I thought, “Well, it certainly is true that I have been a member of this church for about 5 years now and I have never, not even once, attempted to read the Book of Mormon. That must be what I am doing wrong.” So, I made the attempt.
Again, I will leave out a lot of details. Suffice it to say that I began reading that book, and I prayed fervently every day, for about 15 straight days, to have the Holy Ghost manifest to me that it was true. On the 14 or 15th day, as I was reading somewhere in Alma, the Holy Ghost again manifested to me, saying that: “What you read is true!” (referring to the entirely of the book.)
This was my fifth manifestation of the Holy Ghost and the fourth manifestation of the spirit of revelation to date.
Now, from this time forward, I completed the book and became quite depressed; for the Book of Mormon called me to repentance, for I had grown prideful and hard-hearted in the last five years, and although I made a conscious effort to put the Book of Mormon teachings into practice, it was very difficult. The doctrine of that book was different than what I was being taught at church or at home or at school. No one taught me the things I learned from that book. The Book of Mormon was, essentially, my only doctrinal teacher; the prophets who wrote it the only ones that taught me the actual doctrine of Christ. So powerful an effect it had on me that it became my all-time favorite book, and I was an avid reader who liked a lot of books, so that was saying a lot.
To give you an idea of how prideful I was, let’s fast-forward just one year forward, when I was fifteen. I received my patriarchal blessing and after the blessing went home. Some time passed and then I got the written copy. “What’s this? These written words are not perfectly accurate according to my memory. They typed it up wrong.” So, I called up the patriarch. “You typed it out wrong.” “No, I assure you, we got it right. We recorded it with a tape recorder and my wife typed it out as she heard it directly from the speaker. It is word-for-word.” “No, you messed it up. In such-and-such a part, you missed this part that said so-and-so.” “Well, I can’t account for what you heard, but that was not on the recording.” And I argued with the man, back and forth, in frustration that they did not record it correctly! Now, who in the world argues with a patriarch over their blessing?
In hindsight, I now know what happened. But it took an adult mind who has had many years of experience with the Holy Ghost to figure out what happened during that blessing session, which caused the 15 year old me such consternation and frustration, to the point of sticking to my guns and telling the man the recording was wrong and that my memory of the event was superior to the recording. Was the recording wrong? No, it was correct. Those were the very words that the patriarch spoke. Was my memory wrong? No, it was correct. Those were the very words that the Holy Ghost spoke to me, and added to the blessing, above and beyond what the patriarch said. There was a sort of double prophecy going on during that session, one upon the patriarch and one upon me. But I did not know it, and neither did he, hence the confusion and subsequent angry phone call.
I mention this to show how prideful I was, but also to show that from the time of the manifestation of the Book of Mormon to me, at age 14, to now, the Holy Ghost never stopped manifesting revelations and prophecies to me. And it was because I began, again, to turn my attention back to God, where it was when I was nine years old. As a result, spiritual “stuff” started pouring through, and has only increased as the years go by, as I get more proficient in these things and more obedient to God.
Now, when I was a teenager, I used to call all these manifestations, “revelations.” This, because I was still quite churched and assumed that only the 15 Brethren could receive prophecy, but it was perfectly okay for members to receive personal revelations. (Looking back, it is amazing just how indoctrinated I became in 5 short years of attending church!) Later on, though, with my now adult mind, I realized that many of these things that I always called, “revelations,” were in actuality prophecies.
Revelations and prophecies were not the only two types of manifestations I received over the years. The spirit of discerning of spirits, for a long time, was the one gift that I thought I most definitely had. But also other manifestations of the gifts have happened, which I won’t go into.
I used to think all this stuff was just normal. Anyone I talked to and told them some of the stuff I was getting (and it was a lot of stuff), would just listen, but wouldn’t say anything. I thought that it was because they believed my words. I found out on the mission, as a now adult, that this was not the case. They just didn’t want to put down a child. On my mission, though, I discovered that no one believed a single thing I ever said, about any of these manifestations. Not even my missionary companions.
I came home from my mission quite depressed, that I got all this “stuff” from the Spirit, almost constantly, but no one believe a word of it. What good was a testimony if no one believed your word? I thought, at the time, that this was just my mission environment, but upon returning home, I discovered that my friends, now adults like me, were as unbelieving as the unbelievers and missionary companions of my mission.
For example, upon returning home, I received a double prophecy: first this will happen, then that will happen. The prophecy was sure and not in any way conditional. I decided to inform the church friends of my youth. Surely they will believe it. I told them the first part of the prophecy, but kept the second part secret.
They said, “Well, it is possible that it could happen.” I affirmed it was a sure prophecy and that it would happen even as it was spoken. Then conditions changed drastically, making it improbable. “Well, there is a chance, but it is not likely it will happen.” I continued to affirm and assert the sureness of the prophecy. Then conditions changed even more drastically, making it impossible. “Well, I guess it wasn’t a prophecy, after all. There is no way it can happen.” What? I thought you guys believed me? I said it was a prophecy, given of God, not a prediction! It will happen, just as stated! “You are crazy to believe this will still come to pass.”
Years went by and I ditched these believer friends who were really unbelievers in believers’ clothing. I had many chances to mention the prophecy to others. Same reaction: “You are nuts. This thing is absolutely impossible. Let’s stop hanging around the crazy man.” I stopped saying the prophecy. More years went by. I waited for the change in conditions. Suddenly conditions changed drastically. They continued changing drastically, opening up the fulfillment of the prophecy. Miracles happened, which paved the way for the fulfillment of the prophecy. Then…the prophecy was fulfilled, every whit!
The second part of the prophecy is still unfulfilled, but I am as confident as ever that it, too, will be miraculously fulfilled.
When I point to that first part of the double prophecy, to those who know about its impossible fulfillment, they don’t want to talk about it. “That’s old news. What about all the many other utterances you have made?” What about this other prophecy I spoke which was fulfilled every whit? “We don’t care about that, either.” What about this other thing that also proved that the manifestations I receive are true? “Old news. Show us that these other, impossible prophecies are true, and then we’ll believe you. Otherwise, we just think you are crazy.”
And so it goes. I am met with a wall of unbelief at every hand, and those who have heard any of the prophecies I have uttered, cannot accept them as true, therefore they almost always think I must be delusional or something.
Looking back, I realize that all those people who heard me throughout the years, and held their tongues, did so because they must have thought I was nuts.
And now when the king had heard these words, he said unto his priests:
Away with this fellow, and slay him; for what have we to do with him, for he is mad.
And they stood forth and attempted to lay their hands on him; but he withstood them, and said unto them:
Touch me not, for God shall smite you if ye lay your hands upon me, for I have not delivered the message which the Lord sent me to deliver; neither have I told you that which ye requested that I should tell; therefore, God will not suffer that I shall be destroyed at this time. But I must fulfil the commandments wherewith God has commanded me; and because I have told you the truth ye are angry with me. And again, because I have spoken the word of God ye have judged me that I am mad. (Mosiah 13:1-4)
Up until the last few years, all my revelations have been personal, meaning for my consumption only. But a recent change got me taking messages given to me by the Lord to deliver to other people. Nothing ticks off a person more than you bringing them a word of the Lord against them, testifying of their iniquities, telling them to repent, and issuing a prophecy of what will happen if they do not repent. I never expected to be doing this, but it has happened, and I got the same treatment as the other guys: both the message and messenger is despised and mistreated, the message is not believed, and the messenger’s situation is made worse as a result.
I read stuff like this now and go: “Oh, yeah, I totally understand what he’s getting at!”
Behold ye are worse than they; for as the Lord liveth, if a prophet come among you and declareth unto you the word of the Lord, which testifieth of your sins and iniquities, ye are angry with him, and cast him out and seek all manner of ways to destroy him; yea, you will say that he is a false prophet, and that he is a sinner, and of the devil, because he testifieth that your deeds are evil. (Helaman 13:26)
My boyhood desire to experience what the ancients experienced didn’t include their persecutions, but I guess at least I can say I know what it’s like…
Conditions will change
Regardless of what anyone believes about me, none of that matters one bit. None of my prophecies have failed and none shall. Those that have been fulfilled have been fulfilled every whit. Those that haven’t been fulfilled, haven’t yet. These things take time, and it all comes down to the change in conditions. My adversaries hate the fact that I am more confident than ever about every single thing I’ve prophesied coming to pass. They point to that as evidence of insanity, “For surely these many things you’ve said are impossible!” I point to my hundreds of manifestations and to their one or two manifestations (had when they were young) and say that that is evidence that they are spiritually dead.
Now, I don’t go around saying that I am a prophet, but I dang sure will not deny that I have the spirit of prophecy and revelation, and when it manifests, I ain’t gonna to deny that. This leads me to some perplexities.
In all my years, I’ve only met a handful of people that I felt, or discerned by the discerning of spirits, had the Holy Ghost upon them, manifesting one of the gifts. A mere handful. As in no more than five people. Out of hundreds or thousands of latter-day saints I’ve met over the years. So, to say you are a latter-day saint doesn’t mean much to me. If I discern the seed of faith in you and the Holy Ghost, then you start blipping on my radar, and I begin to rejoice. Otherwise, you are essentially spiritually dormant (sleeping), if not altogether dead. To me, at least. This, I suppose, ticks people off, when they see I ain’t impressed.
So, when I look to all those making this or that claim, I wonder what the heck is going on? If Amos’ words are true, then God won’t do anything until he reveals the secret to His prophets. But who are His prophets?
Those who are loyal and faithful latter-day saints, look to the 15 Brethren and say they are the Lord’s prophets. Others look to other people, such as Denver Snuffer or others, and say they, or he, is the Lord’s prophet. I’ll use Denver as my example.
Denver says the Lord told me this thing, fulfilling the words of Amos, but didn’t say the same to the 15 Brethren, because they ain’t prophets. Those who follow Denver say, “Amen, brother!” The 15 say the Lord didn’t say this to us because He never said it at all. We are His prophets, so if He speaks, He’ll speak to us. The fact that He hasn’t told us that, means He hasn’t told Denver, either! Denver is just making it up as he goes along. This proves he’s not a prophet, ’cause if he was, he’d be saying what we say! Those who follow the 15 say, “Amen, Brethren!”
Now, I got a real problem with this mess, because I sure as heck know that the Holy Ghost has been manifesting revelations and prophecies to me about a great number of things, but I’ll just pick a recent topic that has my attention of late: the Josephite, and none of these 16 individuals have said even a dang peep about this thing. In fact, no one, but myself, has said anything about the Josephite.
Now, I’m going to pull a 15-year old LDS Anarchist on them all and stick to my guns and say to them like I said to that old patriarch, that I ain’t the one in error. If y’all ain’t receiving manifestations and revelations and prophecies on this guy, then y’all wack. Which means none of you are prophets.
I have looked at the Denver matter and the Spirit says nothing to me about it. I have looked at others professing this or that claim, and the Spirit says nothing to me about them, either. But when I looked at Joseph Smith, the Spirit immediately manifested. When I look at the 15 Brethren, I know they have the keys of the priesthood, and that is good enough for me. But prophets? Sorry, but the Spirit hasn’t manifested any such thing to me. The five individuals I mentioned do not include General Authorities.
I also look at all these people saying, “God spoke to me and said this” or “God said that to me” and I notice that a lot of these manifestations are always along the same lines. Catastrophe is coming, end times stuff, cleaning of the church, and so forth. There seem to be patterns of “manifestations” and “revelations” among latter-day saints. But, the stuff I get doesn’t fit these patterns. There’s going to be a new set of articles of confederation? Who, besides myself, has prophesied such a thing? The state of Israel is going to be broken up? Again, who has prophesied these things, besides myself? An earthquake is going to break up the church? The Book of Mormon is going to retranslated? And so on and so forth.
I feel like the odd man out. I feel like Jeremiah, surrounded by all these many phony prophets who said that Jerusalem would stand forever and he alone said no, it was going to be destroyed. No one is saying what I am saying. My adversaries would say, “That’s because you are insane. They are right, and you are wrong. They are all saying similar things because they have the Spirit, and are saints, while you are the real sinner and in need of repentance, yet you call us the sinners.” Sha, and monkeys might fly out of my butt.
What I know is this: what I said on this blog, that are prophecies, will come to pass, for they are real prophecies given of the Holy Ghost, and all these people professing prophecy or prophetic mantle, who don’t know anything about what I say, are suspect in my estimation, from top to bottom, your claims and titles be damned, for why hasn’t the Lord revealed these secrets, which are written on this blog, to all you phonies, er, I mean, guys?