Thoughts on the One Mighty and Strong


First, what a mess of confusion this prophecy in Doctrine and Covenants section 85 has generated!

It is the duty of the Lord’s clerk, whom he has appointed, to keep a history, and a general church record of all things that transpire in Zion, and of all those who consecrate properties, and receive inheritances legally from the bishop; and also their manner of life, their faith, and works; and also of the apostates who apostatize after receiving their inheritances.

It is contrary to the will and commandment of God that those who receive not their inheritance by consecration, agreeable to his law, which he has given, that he may tithe his people, to prepare them against the day of vengeance and burning, should have their names enrolled with the people of God.

Neither is their genealogy to be kept, or to be had where it may be found on any of the records or history of the church.

Their names shall not be found, neither the names of the fathers, nor the names of the children written in the book of the law of God,

saith the Lord of Hosts.

Yea, thus saith the still small voice, which whispereth through and pierceth all things, and often times it maketh my bones to quake while it maketh manifest, saying:

And it shall come to pass that I, the Lord God, will send one mighty and strong, holding the scepter of power in his hand, clothed with light for a covering, whose mouth shall utter words, eternal words; while his bowels shall be a fountain of truth, to set in order the house of God, and to arrange by lot the inheritances of the saints whose names are found, and the names of their fathers, and of their children, enrolled in the book of the law of God; while that man, who was called of God and appointed, that putteth forth his hand to steady the ark of God, shall fall by the shaft of death, like as a tree that is smitten by the vivid shaft of lightning.

And all they who are not found written in the book of remembrance shall find none inheritance in that day, but they shall be cut asunder, and their portion shall be appointed them among unbelievers, where are wailing and gnashing of teeth.

These things I say not of myself; therefore, as the Lord speaketh, he will also fulfil.

And they who are of the High Priesthood, whose names are not found written in the book of the law, or that are found to have apostatized, or to have been cut off from the church, as well as the lesser priesthood, or the members, in that day shall not find an inheritance among the saints of the Most High; therefore, it shall be done unto them as unto the children of the priest, as will be found recorded in the second chapter and sixty-first and second verses of Ezra.

And here is Ezra 2:61-62.

And of the children of the priests: the children of Habaiah, the children of Koz, the children of Barzillai; which took a wife of the daughters of Barzillai the Gileadite, and was called after their name: these sought their register among those that were reckoned by genealogy, but they were not found: therefore were they, as polluted, put from the priesthood.

So, not too long ago, I was pondering on the Josephite prophecy, yet again, and I remembered that it said this guy would be great like unto Moses.  Now, my understanding is that the Josephite would be like all the prophets, and I was curious about Moses’ rod, and wondered whether he would have a rod like Moses did.  So, I looked up the prophecy, which said this:

And the Lord hath said:

I will raise up a Moses; and I will give power unto him in a rod; and I will give judgment unto him in writing. Yet I will not loose his tongue, that he shall speak much, for I will not make him mighty in speaking. But I will write unto him my law, by the finger of mine own hand; and I will make a spokesman for him.

And the Lord said unto me also:

I will raise up unto the fruit of thy loins; and I will make for him a spokesman. And I, behold, I will give unto him that he shall write the writing of the fruit of thy loins, unto the fruit of thy loins; and the spokesman of thy loins shall declare it.  (2 Nephi 3:17-18)

Again, my mind turned to that rod.  The rod is mentioned in connection with Moses but not with the Josephite.  But my mind would not let go of the thought that this guy was going to have a rod.  So, I checked the other scripture that mentions this same prophecy:

And the Lord sware unto Joseph that he would preserve his seed forever, saying,

I will raise up Moses, and a rod shall be in his hand, and he shall gather together my people, and he shall lead them as a flock, and he shall smite the waters of the Red Sea with his rod.

And he shall have judgment, and shall write the word of the Lord. And he shall not speak many words, for I will write unto him my law by the finger of mine own hand. And I will make a spokesman for him, and his name shall be called Aaron.

And it shall be done unto thee in the last days also, even as I have sworn.  (JST 50:34-36)

So, this scripture indicates a repeat scenario, even a double fulfillment.  To my mind it indicated that the Josephite is, indeed, going to have a rod.  Then I remembered that Oliver Cowdery had a divining rod.  Then my mind brought up the “one mighty and strong” scripture, which I will quote again:

And it shall come to pass that I, the Lord God, will send one mighty and strong, holding the scepter of power in his hand,

That scepter certainly could be considered a rod.  “Could this one mighty and strong be the very Josephite restorer I have been writing about on this blog,” I wondered?

And it shall come to pass that I, the Lord God, will send one mighty and strong, holding the scepter of power in his hand, clothed with light for a covering,

Now, I have written previously that this description of light for a covering reminded me of the angel Moroni, whose robe was a plasma discharging phenomenon, a robe literally made of light, meaning a discharging plasmoid.  Could this Josephite, a mere man, be endowed with such power that he could appear as an angel of light?  Was there scriptural precedence for men appearing as angels of light?  Yep.  Stephen, the Christian martyr of the Book of Acts, Moses in the mount, Abinadi the Nephite martyr, and the brothers Nephi and Lehi; the faces of all these men shone like the faces of angels, according to the scriptural accounts.

There are also the accounts of tongues of fire resting upon people and pillars of fire surrounding people.  All these plasma manifestations could be considered coverings of light.  It is not a stretch to think that this Josephite will be so endowed with power, so filled with the Holy Ghost, that such displays can and will attend his ministry, as if this man were an angel.

And it shall come to pass that I, the Lord God, will send one mighty and strong, holding the scepter of power in his hand, clothed with light for a covering, whose mouth shall utter words, eternal words; while his bowels shall be a fountain of truth, to set in order the house of God

How does one set things in order?  If there are several things, does not one say, “Okay, this goes first, and that goes second, while that one over there goes third?”  Could not setting in order, then, be considered numbering?  My understanding is that this Josephite will have the specific task of numbering the people of God, literally, setting them in order, as on a list.

…Their names shall not be found, neither the names of the fathers, nor the names of the children written in the book of the law of God,

And it shall come to pass that I, the Lord God, will send one mighty and strong, holding the scepter of power in his hand, clothed with light for a covering, whose mouth shall utter words, eternal words; while his bowels shall be a fountain of truth, to set in order the house of God, and to arrange by lot the inheritances of the saints whose names are found, and the names of their fathers, and of their children, enrolled in the book of the law of God;

This Book of the Law of God, mentioned twice in the section, what did it refer to?  Was this the Book of Life, the record of heaven, according to the footnote reference suggestions?  Or was this some other book, a book yet to be written, or a book yet to be restored?  “This man is going to be like Moses,” my mind said.  Moses wrote 5 books and he also wrote a law, what we call the law of Moses.  Could this repeat Mosaic scenario be a full repeat, in which the Josephite writes a new law of God, even new books, or a restoration of some old books of law, or even both?  Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy: those are the five books of Moses.  The Josephite will certainly be leading an Exodus of the people back to Zion.  He will certainly Number the people.  The more I pondered, the more it seemed that this scripture was, indeed, speaking of the Josephite and that he would be following some kind of Mosaic pattern, doing the same things and going through the same progression as at the first with Moses.

…while that man, who was called of God and appointed, that putteth forth his hand to steady the ark of God, shall fall by the shaft of death, like as a tree that is smitten by the vivid shaft of lightning.

The man is going to have a Urim and Thummim.  Moses had a Urim and Thummim.  He’s going to have a rod, just like Moses did.  Moses also had the Ark of the Covenant.  I, and countless others, have always interpreted “ark of God” in this verse as being figurative, not literal.  But if he’s going to have a rod, a literal rod, by which he works miracles, just as Moses did, then why can’t this scripture be talking of the literal Ark of the Covenant?  After all, this guy is supposed to restore ALL THINGS.

Concluding thoughts

Anyway, I found these thoughts interesting and thought that I would share them, as I had never made the connection between the Josephite and this mighty and strong person.  But my understanding of just how miraculously powerful this guy is going to be has grown significantly over time, as the Holy Ghost has manifested more information to me about him.  To give you an idea about what kind of “power levels” I’m talking about, consider Elijah and Elisha.  Elijah was this unbelievably powerful miracle worker and Elisha wanted something from him before Elijah high-tailed it out of there on a plasma horse and chariot, going up in a translated state on a whirlwind straight to heaven.  What did Elisha ask for?  A DOUBLE PORTION of the Spirit of God that was in Elijah.  Now, Elijah thought that was a hard thing to ask for, because he was so full of the Spirit, and to become twice as powerful as he was asking a lot, but he granted the wish if Elisha was able to see him taken up.  And Elisha saw and got the DOUBLE PORTION.

Now, the indication that I’m getting from the Spirit is that the Josephite won’t have a DOUBLE PORTION of Elijah’s Spirit endowment, but will have a whole lot more than that.  This is why his ministry is always associated with power and the baring of the arm of the Lord.  He’ll be drinking miracle beer, eating miracle breakfast cereal, having a miracle salad for lunch and so forth.  Miracles galore and almost exclusively.

One more thing before I publish this post.  After the sixth seal was opened, John the Revelator saw this:

And the heavens opened as a scroll is opened when it is rolled together; and every mountain, and island, was moved out of its place.  (JST Rev. 6:14)

Remember what I wrote in a previous post about an alteration of the geography being necessary to restore all things?  Well, as I pondered this scripture recently, the thought popped into my head that the earth was going to expand in order to accommodate the dead returning in the resurrection to re-possess the lands of their inheritance, in order that there would be room for all, and that God’s promise to them could be fulfilled.  I do not know whether this Josephite will be the one responsible for this task of preparing the earth for the Millennium after this fashion, but given the power levels he is going to be endowed with, it won’t surprise me, not one bit.

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  1. More evidence that “set in order” means numbering,

    And again, I give unto you a word in relation to the baptism for your dead.

    Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you concerning your dead:

    When any of you are baptized for your dead, let there be a recorder, and let him be eye-witness of your baptisms; let him hear with his ears, that he may testify of a truth,

    saith the Lord;

    that in all your recordings it may be recorded in heaven; whatsoever you bind on earth, may be bound in heaven; whatsoever you loose on earth, may be loosed in heaven; for I am about to restore many things to the earth, pertaining to the priesthood,

    saith the Lord of Hosts.

    And again, let all the records be had in order, that they may be put in the archives of my holy temple, to be held in remembrance from generation to generation,

    saith the Lord of Hosts. (D&C 127:5-9)

    Also:

    It may seem to some to be a very bold doctrine that we talk of—a power which records or binds on earth and binds in heaven. Nevertheless, in all ages of the world, whenever the Lord has given a dispensation of the priesthood to any man by actual revelation, or any set of men, this power has always been given. Hence, whatsoever those men did in authority, in the name of the Lord, and did it truly and faithfully, and kept a proper and faithful record of the same, it became a law on earth and in heaven, and could not be annulled, according to the decrees of the great Jehovah. This is a faithful saying. Who can hear it? (D&C 128:9)

    Okay, so, the one mighty and strong will “set in order the house of God,” which is the “holy temple” of God; and “all the records” are to “be had in order” and “put in the archives of [God’s] holy temple”; and these records are “to be held in remembrance from generation to generation,” which means that they become a de facto “book of remembrance”; and whenever a record is recorded by the power of the priesthood, it becomes “a law on earth and in heaven” that cannot be annulled; which would make the “book of remembrance” a law book, or a “book of the law of God”; which might mean that the “book of remembrance” and the “book of the law of God,” both of which are mentioned in section 85, are talking about the same record or records, which are had in the temple; and as the act of numbering did not consist of merely a verbal enumeration, but as the act of recording in a book or record the names of people as a genealogical list, the one mighty and strong setting in order the house of God might mean that he will put all the temple records in order, meaning that he will set them straight, or correct their deficiencies, blotting out those names that need blotting out, and adding those names which have been blotted out incorrectly, as well as those names which should have been there but were not put there.

    These records are for the living and the dead and concern inheritances, therefore it will take someone who has access to ancient records, for all the dead who lived on this continent, who are to receive inheritances here, must be written in that book. And all those who have, for example, been excommunicated falsely, or improperly, having their names blotted out unjustly, must be written back in. After these records have been set in order, and all who are to be numbered among those receiving inheritances have been written in that book or those records, then, and only then, will this one mighty and strong give out the inheritances by lot, according to the now corrected and fully filled out (for both living and dead) temple records. This act, then, requires miraculous power, to get that record perfectly accurate for all the dead and living. This, in my mind, points yet again to the Josephite being this one mighty and strong, for it is his ministry to number the people of God, he being the first to be numbered, or number one.

    Expanded Earth as a restored condition

    Lastly, as I mentioned in the post that it seemed to me that the Earth was going to expand, this thought, if true, can only be a restoration, which means that anciently, or at first, our planet Earth was larger than it currently is and then at some point it contracted, and now, through the miraculous power of the Lord (via, perhaps, the Josephite), it will be restored to its first, much more expanded condition.

  2. Nephite naming: fathers and children

    Their names shall not be found, neither the names of the fathers, nor the names of the children written in the book of the law of God…

    …the saints whose names are found, and the names of their fathers, and of their children…

    Interestingly enough, the Nephite names had both the names of the children and the names of the fathers, all-in-one. For example, Harold Jacob-Nephi-Lehi has the names of the ancestor “fathers” (Jacob, Nephi, Lehi) and their male descendant “child” (Harold).

    Also, Nephite naming actually helped cause the hearts of the children to turn to their fathers.

    Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord: and he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

    Another interesting fact: The Greek form of Elijah is Elias, and the Josephite will be that Elias who restores all things.

    “Reckoned by genealogy” means numbered by genealogy

    Yet more evidence from that scripture Joseph Smith mentioned in the section, Ezra 2:61-62, that indicates that “setting in order the house of God” is the numbering, which must and will be done by the Josephite. (according to my understanding) :

    And of the children of the priests: the children of Habaiah, the children of Koz, the children of Barzillai; which took a wife of the daughters of Barzillai the Gileadite, and was called after their name: these sought their register among those that were reckoned by genealogy, but they were not found: therefore were they, as polluted, put from the priesthood. (Ezra 2:61-62)

    Why were they put from the priesthood? Because they “took a wife of the daughters of Barzillai the Gileadite, and was called after their name.” Nephi has the covenant, therefore the righteous ancients of this land took Nephi’s name, that they might receive an inheritance, and those who want an inheritance in that book are likewise going to need to be called after his name. You don’t take Nephi’s name, you are going to get “put out”, as polluted.

  3. This is a very interesting and pertinent subject, seeing that as things will enter the time of God’s judgments upon the wicked, that this one mighty and strong representative of God is promised to be sent to organize and facilitate all that is necessary to prepare us and the way for the Lord’s return.

    This surely would be the greatest work accomplished by our Father in Heaven next to the Lord’s Atonement itself and because of this and there so much being spoken of this special agent of God throughout the scriptures as bringing about the restoration of all things and basically bringing God’s judgments upon the earth with his great power, I have a few reflective thoughts with regard to the simple logic involved with such a great task.

    If we consider the fact we all lived in the preexistence with God before coming here and accomplished something with our lives with regard to all that transpired that lead up to the war in heaven and all that ensued as a result of that and that Joseph S. referred to this war as having simply continued upon this earth as we each have arrived here in our own time to reinsert our selves into this spiritual war according to our past life’s performance, then it seems simple to me that we can form certain conclusions from this mirrored image of “As above, so below”.

    With regard to the one mighty and strong and the terms used to describe him and the fact he is being sent to restore “All Things” as a preparatory work to bringing the people of the Terrestrial Order unto the Lord’s Presence at His Second Coming, all we need to do is refer back to what we know of our preexistent past in order to determine who this Mighty & Strong representative of God & Our Savior world be.

    I’ll present this as making simple statements & asking questions about the information surrounding this “mystery” man and it seems pretty easy to come up with the right conclusion as to the identity of this individual.

    1. The preexistent plan, (the 3 Degrees of Glory) of our Father, was designed & implemented by him under the covenant He formed with His two chief sons, Jesus Christ & the Holy Spirit. The two sons would form the “Two Pillars” of Solomon’s Temple, which would allow us to pass through their gate and enter into a portion (Terrestrial), or full Celestial presence of God, depending on our individual progression and closeness with our Father & Our Savior. The outer court being the symbolic residence of those of the Telestial Order of God, while the first main chamber of the Temple represents those of the Terrestrial Order, and the Holy of Holies representing those who enter the Celestial Order.

    Each member of the God Head presides over their corresponding portions of the Temple representing the 3 Degrees of Glory. Father…Celestial, Christ….Terrestrial…and the Holy Spirit….Telestial.

    Christ brings us to the Celestial and presence of Our Father through accepting the full measure of requirements established through the Lord’s Church.

    The Holy Spirit would in turn bring a portion of God’s less valiant children to Jesus Christ, who will rule over the level of the Terrestrial Order, which by definition in the D&C, only requires a perfected righteous behavior without fulfilling all the requirements of the covenants necessary to enter the Celestial Order.

    We are now entering the time in which this earth is soon to receive it’s Terrestrial Glory and enter into the Presence of Christ. Who is responsible for leading these Terrestrial souls unto Christ who will be their King ?

    Who, from the very beginning of time, has been responsible for bringing us unto Christ ? Who lead Moses in the form of a pillar of smoke by day and fire by night when the children of Israel refused to enter the presence of Christ at the base of Sinai and instead demanded that Moses ( a type for Christ) speak directly to Christ upon the mountain on their behalf ?

    Why is Christ in the book of Isaiah, when speaking to the Lord’s Servant, (the One Mighty & Strong), being reminded that it was HE (the Lord’s Servant), who lead Moses and Israel through the Desert in “Another Time”…Referring to the Holy Spirit leading Moses through the desert as part of his PREEXISTENT role as a Spirit Man ?

    How can this statement regarding the identity of the One Mighty & Strong Servant of Christ & Our Father, be anymore direct ?

    The Second Exodus being the second greatest mission assigned to anyone of God’s Children on this earth, with the exception of Christ’s Atonement being the first greatest mission, who falls next in line of authority as “Second Son Member of the God Head and has been made responsible by Our Father to bring us unto to Christ ? Who are we preparing to see very soon ? Who will bring us there ?

    So WHO should we FIRST be preparing to look for according to the scriptures ? Is it Christ, or should we be looking for His John the Baptist/Elijah type FORERUNNER of Christ, who Prepares the Way for the Second Coming ? Refer to section 113 of the D&C and 3 Nephi ch. 21, both referring to a Servant of Christ who will bring about the FULL Restoration required to Prepare the way for the Second Coming of the Lord.

    There are so many references to this Servant of Christ mentioned in the scriptures as fulfilling the Second Greatest Gospel Role next to Christ Himself…..Who else COULD this person be, other than his Closest Eternal Brother & Best Man to the Groom, coming to receive His Bride ? This task would NOT go to ANYONE accept He who is CLOSEST to the Groom and APPOINTED by the Father, as stated in the BOM.

    Christ Appoints all other prophets. Why has the FATHER chosen to appoint THIS particular prophet ? Is it because it involves the Earthly Calling of the Holy Spirit to select & prepare the Lord’s Bride, as did Abraham’s Servant was sent to perform this same task in type for His Son Isaac ? We know Abraham’s Servant is a type for the Holy Spirit.

    Jesus would certainly not appoint this Prophet for this purpose. That PARTICULAR person & purpose must be chosen and established by the Groom’s Father. The Eternal Authority of the Grooms Servant demands that Our Father be the one to chose him as did Abraham chose and appoint His CHIEF Servant.

    Did not the Holy Spirit descend upon Jesus to assist Him with His Mission and make it possible for Christ to accomplish what He accomplished ?

    If the Holy Spirit were to appear in the flesh to carry out the task of the Restoring “All Things” He had ALREADY established throughout time, piece meal, through Dispensational Prophets, would not Christ’s OWN person presence & HIS Spirit, accompany His Brother on HIS Mission ?

    Read Isaiah ch 66 referring to the Lord’s Servant being born of a Woman, to save His Mother (Zion), & being endowed with the Lord’s Spirit. Look at it in the context of the Lord’s Spirit referring to the Lord’s Spirit HIMSELF coming upon His Servant, rather than the Lord’s Spirit referring to the Holy Spirit. Are they not BOTH Holy Spirits called by different names by Our Father ? One appointed to SERVE the OTHER in their Respective Roles in the Plan of Salvation ?…As a Husband and Wife would serve each other in reference to their roles as Our Parents ?

    As far as this One Mighty & Strong being “LIKE” an Angel…Why not be the FULL BLOWN “Angel of God’s Presence” (The Holy Spirit) who has ALWAYS been the Angel to bring us unto Christ and Christ unto Our Father ?

    The covering of “Light” referred to in sec 85…Is that not the BRIGHTER GLORY and Body of an ANGEL being described ?

    Moses as a TYPE for this New Moses to come, descended from the Mount (Heaven in type ) with a GLOWING LIGHT) upon his face with needed to be concealed to not frightened the people. He was still fixed in his translated state of being in the presence of Christ and it needed time to wear off.

    When the One Mighty & Strong New Moses first ARRISES as the Angel of the East referred to in Rev ch 7 to RECIEVE his call and then DESCENDS from the “FOOT” (Presence of God in Heaven), “CLOTHED” with a “Covering of Light” for his ENTIRE body, NOT to be extinguished, would YOU be afraid of His Glorious Countenance & flee from His Presence as did the Children of Moses.

    The wicked among the Lord’s People in His Church today SURELY WILL, while the Sons Of Levi (types for the more righteous member of the Lord’s Church today, the 144,000 & their families, to lead the way under the supervision and authority of the Lord’s Servant), will fight VALLIANTLY for the TRUE Cause of the Lord and His Zion.

    If we do not recognize the need to be PREPARED by this Special Agent of God to overcome this world and make it to Zion to prepare the Terrestrial People upon the earth at this time to meet their King, then will become VERY CONFUSED by the events soon to unfold which will be designed by Satan to FOOL us into believing Christ has arrived before this Servant of God has had a chance to prepare the REAL WAY to the Lord & Zion.

    This is a CRITICAL subject to understand as much about as we possible can, yet is IGNORED by the leaders of our church because it is THEY who will introduce this False Christ and seat him upon his throne in the Lord’s Temple, as per 2 Thessalonians and the Lord’s People as a whole, with the exception of a small remnant, will BELIEVE this lie and become SPEARATED from those who refuse to accept this lie, and instead accept Abraham’s True Servant as being the one to Select & Prepare the Bride for Her Groom.

  4. zac,

    1. The preexistent plan, (the 3 Degrees of Glory) of our Father, was designed & implemented by him under the covenant He formed with His two chief sons, Jesus Christ & the Holy Spirit.

    See The Holy Ghost is a Woman.

  5. I had a thought over the weekend that perhaps Gazelem is the angelic name of the Josephite servant, just as Michael is Adam’s angelic name, and Gabriel is Noah’s angelic name. I realize that OWIW thinks that Gazelem was likely Joseph Smith, but Joseph never identified himself with the name, nor did Joseph do what Gazelem is supposed to do. So, this strikes me a yet future prophesy, and it may apply to the Josephite. I don’t want to show at this time, by the scriptures, what I mean, or why I think this might be so. If I remember some other time, or somebody reminds me, I’ll unfold it. But don’t take this, anybody, as a prophecy or nuthin’, it’s just a curious thought, is all.

  6. Okay, I have some time, so…

    And the Lord said:
    I will prepare unto my servant Gazelem, a stone, which shall shine forth in darkness unto light, that I may discover unto my people who serve me, that I may discover unto them the works of their brethren, yea, their secret works, their works of darkness, and their wickedness and abominations.

    The above scripture strikes me as linked to this scripture:

    And wo unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the Lord! And their works are in the dark; and they say:
    Who seeth us, and who knoweth us?

    And they also say:

    Surely, your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter’s clay.

    But behold, I will show unto them, saith the Lord of Hosts, that I know all their works. For shall the work say of him that made it, he made me not? Or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, he had no understanding?

    The second scripture, according to my understanding, concerns the Josephite. In particular, the servant Gazelem will reveal the secrets of his “brethren.” This strikes me as a Gentile servant (the Josephite) revealing the evil deeds of his Gentile brethren. Also, the use of the singular stone is peculiar. Everything Joseph did was a shadow, so it seems that the Josephite also ought to have a singular stone, and not just the Urim and Thummim (the interpreters.)

    Joseph Smith (the Gentile) never revealed any secret abominations of his Gentile brethren via a stone. He only used his seer stone to translate the Book of Mormon. Therefore, this doesn’t strike me as referring to Joseph Smith. That, and also Joseph never linked himself to this prophecy.

  7. I had another random thought about this Gazelem person. First, I used to think as a kid that Gazelem was someone in antiquity, but I now no longer believe that. I think Gazelem is a person of the future, and that this prophecy about him was not fulfilled, because had it been fulfilled, Alma would have said so, just as he said that the other scripture he quoted was fulfilled:

    And now, my son, these interpreters were prepared that the word of God might be fulfilled, which he spake, saying:
    I will bring forth out of darkness unto light all their secret works and their abominations; and except they repent I will destroy them from off the face of the earth; and I will bring to light all their secrets and abominations, unto every nation that shall hereafter possess the land.

    And now, my son, we see that they did not repent; therefore they have been destroyed, and thus far the word of God has been fulfilled; yea, their secret abominations have been brought out of darkness and made known unto us. (Alma 37:24-26)

    The Gazelem scripture, therefore, is a prophecy of a future servant of the Lord, which wasn’t fulfilled during or before the time of Alma.

    Anyway, the random thought was that Gazelem, in addition to being the angelic name of this servant of the Lord, was not just any servant of the Lord, but the personal servant of the Lord. In other words, this was the angel that personally attended to the Lord wherever He went in the heavens. In other words, Gazelem wasn’t a servant in authority over anyone in the heavens, like Michael, being the arch-angel, was, or like other servants were put over others, as stewards over this or that, but this Gazelem had one job only, and that was towards the Lord, not being in charge of anyone else. (Nevertheless, as the Lord’s personal servant, he also could act as the Lord’s personal representative, and thus, whatever this angel was told to do, in relation to others, communicating messages or whatever, was with the authority of the Lord, as if the Lord Himself was doing it. In this sense, his authority was greater than all the others, and about as great as it was possible to have.) Don’t take any of this as inspiration, though. This is just a curious, likely imaginary thought that popped into my head recently.

  8. Moroni said these words to Joseph Smith:

    Behold, I will reveal unto you the Priesthood, by the hand of Elijah the prophet, before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord. And he shall plant in the hearts of the children the promises made to the fathers, and the hearts of the children shall turn to their fathers. If it were not so, the whole earth would be utterly wasted at his coming. (D&C 2)

    Today, as I re-read these words, the impression I got was that this was a Nephite scripture with a Nephite fulfillment. In other words, they would be fulfilled when Elijah came to Joseph-Nephi, the Nephite restorer. When Elijah came to Joseph Smith, that appearance, recorded in D&C 110, fulfilled the Malachi scripture found in our Bibles. But this scripture still remains unfulfilled. These promises made to the Nephite fathers will be planted in the hearts of their remnant children, and the remnant’s hearts will turn to their Nephite fathers. The scripture is entirely Nephite-centric. It has no application to the Gentiles, except insofar as they become Nephites. The Malachi scripture, on the other hand, speaks of the fathers turning to the children and the children turning to the fathers, in other words, of the binding of families together. But the Moroni scripture does not have the fathers turning to the children, because the fathers are all dead already, the Nephite branch having perished and withered away. Thus, only the children’s hearts can turn toward their dead fathers.

    Also, all parts of the restoration laid down by Joseph Smith, according to my understanding, came forth because of the Nephites and their prayers. Moroni came to Joseph Smith because of Nephite prayers. The Book of Mormon came forth because of Nephite prayers. Even the revelations that Joseph Smith ended up receiving, were because of Nephite blessings left upon this land for any and all Gentiles that came upon it. We owe everything we have to the ancients that inhabited this land. With this in mind, it may be useful to consider that Moroni’s words of prophecy to Joseph Smith were spoken not in view of Joseph Smith’s time, but in view of Joseph-Nephi’s time.

  9. Lds anarchy,

    The Holy Ghost is a male type for our mother in heaven, just as Jacob the son of issac, was considered to be more like his mother than his father but was yet a man.


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