Mormon as a restoration prophet

Note: I am posting this idea because it intrigues me, not because it is necessarily true.

The (4th) Book of Nephi

The Book of Nephi (Fourth Nephi) records what happened after Christ established His church with 12 ordained disciples. By the 35th year, the missionary work of these 12 had established a church in every part of the land. In the 36th year, they had succeeded in converting every single Nephite and Lamanite soul to Christ in the land, baptizing them into the church.

After the 194th year passed, Mormon informs us that a small part of the people left the church and started calling themselves Lamanites. By this time, Amos—who was the son of Amos, who was the son of Nephi, who was the son of Nephi (one of the three translated disciples of Christ)—was the one keeping the record.

Mormon next tells us that in the 201st year pride entered society and they started forming for-profit churches and different class structures, and denying the true church of Christ. After the 210th year, he tells us there were many churches in the land, both ones that claimed to be of Christ and yet denied most of His gospel, and also ones that persecuted the true church of Christ and the 12 disciples. This persecution of the saints lasted until the end of the 230th year.

In the 231st year the people split into Nephites, who were the true believers in Christ, and Lamanites, who rejected the gospel of Christ.

After the 244th year, Mormon tells us that the wicked Lamanites were a whole lot more numerous than the righteous Nephites. Lamanite wickedness continued to increase until 260 years had passed.

In the 261st year, the Lamanites began to employ the plans of Gadianton and pride enters into Nephite society. From this point on, the 12 disciples began sorrowing for the sins of the world.

After the 300th year, everyone everywhere had become exceedingly wicked except for the 12 disciples.

In the 306th year, Amos died and his brother, Ammaron, began keeping the record. (It can be inferred from this that both Ammaron and Amos were two of the 12 disciples.)

In the 321st year, Ammaron hid up all the sacred records, finishing The Book of Nephi (Fourth Nephi).

The Book of Mormon and Mormon’s conversion

After hiding up all the records, Ammaron went to Mormon, a ten-year old child, and gave him instructions, according to the spirit of prophecy which was in Ammaron, to perform 14 years later, when he was 24 years old, relative to the large plates of Nephi.

One year later, when Mormon was 11 years old, the Lord removed the remaining disciples and all miracles ceased in the land, with the Holy Ghost no longer coming upon any.

Four years later, though, when Mormon was 15 years old, which was about the 326th year, he had a baptism of fire and became converted to the Lord.

Mormon was alone during an absolute apostasy

The four year interval, between 11-year old Mormon and 15-year old Mormon, represents a total apostasy among the Nephite and Lamanite people. When Mormon became converted to the Lord at 15, he represented the entire living church in that society. It is reasonable to assume that when he was visited by the Lord during his conversion, that the ordinances of the gospel were also administered to him. Thus, Mormon represented a restoration of the gospel and the church of Christ, or a new dispensation, he becoming a restoration prophet or seer.

After his conversion, the first thing Mormon desired to do was spread the good news and preach to the people, but he was forbidden by the Lord from doing so. Mormon’s conversion happened in or around the 326th year.

False hope of repentance

In the 331st year, the Nephites began to repent somewhat, and 20-year old Mormon began to have hope for them, but by the 345th year, the now 34-year old began to sorrow again for them, seeing that they didn’t come to Christ and “that the day of grace was passed with them, both temporally and spiritually”. During this 14-year period, in which there was some measure of repentance, Mormon may have taken a wife.

Mormon’s decade-long ministry

In the 350th year, Mormon was 39 years old and likely already married with children. If Moroni was his first born child, born when Mormon was a married 20-year old, he would have been 19 years old by this time. In this 350th year, the Nephites were given a ten-year window in which to repent, build up again the church of Christ and be spared. Accordingly, Mormon’s mouth was opened and he was given permission by the Lord to preach at last to the people.

Why did the Lord wait five years after Mormon’s accurate assessment of the people that “the day of grace was passed with them” before sending him to preach to them? If grace has passed, no amount of preaching will do anything for a damned people, right? It would be like preaching to the spiritually dead souls in hell, totally useless and futile. One possibility is that it may have been a test of Mormon’s faith, to see if he could do the impossible and spiritually resurrect some of them.

Although Mormon records that his 10-year preaching stint was in vain, it is apparent from the record that he did have a measure of success. Moroni chapter 7 is a sermon he gave to converts, showing that he had succeeded in establishing and building up, once again, the church of Christ in the land, though it was likely exceedingly small. Moroni chapter 8 is an epistle he sent to his son Moroni, soon after Moroni was called to preach to the people. This indicates that he took full advantage of the opportunity to preach, including organizing a missionary force among the converts. Also, from Moroni’s words in Moroni chapter 1, written between A.D. 400 and 421, it is apparent that even at the end of Nephite civilization, there were Nephites who did not deny the Christ.

In A.D. 362, 51-year old Mormon stood as an idle witness, according to the commandments of the Lord, which meant that his preaching had stopped at that point.

Chief captains were possibly Mormon’s converts

In A.D. 385, 74-year old Mormon listed the Nephite chief captains who had fallen in battle (in Mormon chapter 6). These chief captains were possibly church members who had converted during the A.D. 350-360 restoration. Mormon, as leader of all the Nephite armies, would have appointed men who had the spirit of prophecy and revelation as the chief captains, according to the custom of the Nephites. (See 3 Ne. 3:19.)

Converts hunted until all extinct

After the great final battle, only 24 Nephite souls remained, along with some few who escaped to the south, and another unspecified small number who joined the ranks of the Lamanites. (See Mormon 6:15.) Those who fled south were hunted down and killed by the Lamanites. (See Mormon 8:2.) The remaining 24 were also hunted down by the Lamanites. These 24 and those who escaped to the south sound to me like the people who didn’t deny the Christ, mentioned by Moroni in Moroni chapter 1. Everyone was eventually killed by the Lamanites, including Mormon, except for Moroni.

The Lamanite hunt, then, was from A.D. 385 to 401. It appears that they offered up a choice to those they found: deny the Christ, join the Lamanites and live, or confess Christ and be killed.

Mormon was unique among all the prophets

Mormon was born around A.D. 311, eleven years after the church of Christ had ceased to exist. At the time of his birth, there were but 12 or less of the disciples of Christ living among the people. Eleven years later, even these were removed, leaving Mormon and the rest of the people completely alone.

Despite such dire circumstances, living in a society filled to the very brim of iniquities, a veritable sea of exceeding wickedness, Mormon somehow was able to exercise faith unto repentance and get visited by the Lord, creating a restoration of the gospel. Not only was he visited by the Lord, but the translated disciples also visited him. (See Mormon 8:11.)

Nevertheless, his mouth was shut and he was forbidden to preach. But when he finally got permission, he actually did get some measure of success, which was an impossibly miraculous feat. So we know Mormon must have been a man of jaw-dropping faith. Yet, the Lord decided to allow this Nephite branch to wither and die, to further his righteous purposes, and so Mormon was again constrained and bidden to cease to preach, resulting in the eventual extinction of the Nephites.

Why Mormon wrote the Book of Mormon

The Book of Mormon, then, may represent God’s compromise with his frustrated seer, Mormon, who had to sit idly by for most of his life and just watch the branch wither and die. It may have been God’s way of allowing Mormon to preach and exercise his faith to the salvation of his people. Mormon could not pray in faith for his doomed people, for God had decreed their destruction, but he could pray in faith for those of the future. The Book of Mormon, then, may have been God’s way of letting Mormon release all that pent up faith he had, that his preaching and faith and prayers would not be in vain.

When a prophet preaches in faith, believing that a people will repent, God must supply the miracle and grant according to his desires. Mormon’s situation was so hopeless, that his faith should have perished as the faith of everyone else did in that environment, but he remained fixed on Christ. Mormon’s life was like being born in hell, and living in hell for the whole duration, and then (astoundingly!) making some converts during one decade in which permission is granted to preach. Mormon’s faith was akin to those missionaries who are currently preaching in hell, who do not allow themselves to be overcome by the darkness and despair of their environment. He was rock solid in every way, but lived a life full of sorrow and woe.

And wo is me because of their wickedness; for my heart has been filled with sorrow because of their wickedness, all my days; nevertheless, I know that I shall be lifted up at the last day. (Mormon 2:19)

Mormon as the pattern of restoration

Some people make such a great impression on the Lord, that He not only chooses them as His representatives, but also co-opts their name. Melchizedek was one such person. The man’s faith was so tremendous that the Holy Priesthood, after the Order of the Son of God was re-named in his honor, now being known as the Melchizedek priesthood. Aaron and Levi also got priesthoods named after them. We call the language of the Lord, given to Adam, the Adamic language, and so on and so forth.

The saints of God are called by Him saints, but the unbelievers have always called them Christians, after their belief in Christ. But today we’ve got something different. The true believers and church of Christ are now no longer called Christians, nor even saints, but are called Mormons and the Mormon church.

The Lord knew this would happen and surely it must please Him. Mormon is a pattern, or type, of Christ. He represents the very essence of restoration. His entire life was a shadow of the restoration that would take place in the days of wickedness during the latter days. To Mormon, then, goes the honor of having his name used as the new label for all the saints and church of the latter-days. Mormon’s words, in Mormon’s record, would also be used as the tool of salvation for all those of the latter-days who repented and exercised faith.

The Book of Mormon’s place in the future history of the world cannot be stressed enough. It is the tool of salvation that the Lord intends to use to restore His people. Yet, it could have been titled something else. It could have been named after Moroni or Lehi or Nephi or Alma. It could have been named merely, A Nephite Record, without mentioning a specific author. But no, the Lord chose Mormon as the author and his name as the title of the book, knowing full well that the believers of the latter-days would be called this name by the unbelievers. So, we are called Mormon by the design and foreknowledge of the Lord.

Mormon’s name

Mormon (and apparently his father, whose name was also Mormon) was named after the land of Mormon, which land was named by king Noah. It was in this land of Mormon, and the forest of Mormon, and the place of Mormon, and in the waters of Mormon, that Alma baptized and established the first church of Christ among the Lehites. Alma and his congregation of 450 converted souls essentially became the first Mormons, or people associated with the name Mormon, which name was given by an unbeliever (king Noah). The Gentiles would do the same thing, associating all Gentile converts with the name Mormon, which is why Mormon drew attention to this fact in Mosiah chapter 18. And just as the name Mormon was associated with the establishment of God’s church, signifying restoration after apostasy, so would the work and ministry of the prophet Mormon be all about restoration. Thus Mormonism and Restoration are synonymous terms, for when we speak of Mormonism, we speak of the Restoration, and when we speak of the Restoration, we are referring to Mormonism.

Mormon will convert the world

Mormon was a man whose faith was great enough to convert the entire world. This is why he got to write the Book of Mormon. This is why his book will be used to restore the tribes of Israel, including the Lamanites and the Nephites among them, and convert the Gentiles. This is why his name is used to designate the true believers. In other words, Mormon made a major impression on the Lord, and so, instead of granting him the repentance of his people, the Nephites, and his brethren, the Lamanites, who were living with him at the time, the Lord will grant him the repentance of the remnant of his people, the Nephites, and his brethren, the Lamanites, who will be living in a future time, as well as the repentance of the Gentiles and the other tribes of Israel. The faith of Mormon was intentionally re-directed by the Lord from the people of his time to the people of the future in order that the Lord could show forth the miracle of having a dead prophet speak from the dust and convert the entire world.

Joseph Smith was patterned after Mormon, in that he was alone, like Mormon, in an environment in which the church of Christ had ceased to exist, and was able to commune with God, creating a restoration of the gospel and a re-establishment and re-building of the church. The Lord visited Joseph at age 14 and Mormon at age 15, so their lives have startling parallels. The difference between the two, though, is that Mormon’s environment was orders of magnitude more wicked than Joseph’s. Mormon, then, is the standard that is held up for how to restore the gospel and the church in the midst of great wickedness, which pattern will be repeated during the second restoration act on a much grander scale.

A child prophetic prodigy

Ammaron recognized a savior of men in Mormon, when he saw him at the age of ten. Melchizedek is also noted as having had great faith at a young age. Some prophets start quite young in their prophetic direction, and Mormon appears to have been one of these prophetic, child prodigies. But, again, whereas Melchizedek likely had someone teach him the gospel, or at least had some scriptural records to rely upon, Mormon appears to have been completely alone, with no sacred records of any type. Ammaron came to him only after having hidden all the sacred records. There may have been extant copies among the population, but given the state of wickedness, the possibility exists that such records may have already been systematically destroyed, hence the need for Ammaron to hide up the sacred records, in order to protect them from destruction. Mormon, then, may have had only whatever verbal or written instruction he received from Ammaron in that one, singular visit. Even Joseph surely had more to go on, with the entire Bible as his guide.

We are often quick to note that Mormon remarkably took command of the Nephite armies at only 15 years of age, and we wonder how that could be, but if he was a prophetic prodigy, a kind of prophet’s prophet, he may have made an indelible impression on everyone, including the wicked. Ammaron seems to have been impressed with 10-year old Mormon, and if Ammaron was one of the disciples of Christ, then he would not have been all that easy to impress. So Ammaron may have recognized in Mormon a greater prophet than he himself was.

The Lord may have saved the very best for last, beginning the Nephite civilization with powerhouses in the form of Lehi, Nephi, Jacob and the rest and then finishing it off with the very greatest of the Nephite prophet-seers, Mormon. Even Moroni, who finished the record of his father, did so under direction of Mormon, meaning that he followed the commandments of Mormon in what he ended up writing, assigning all the credit to his father. Mormon, then, appears to be a dispensation head, but which one?

The dispensation of the fulness of times

His ministry seems to be a bridge between the past and the future, almost as if it was his task to gather and restore the church of Christ to earth, which he accomplished and began during that decade of his preaching, and to participate in each subsequent restoration and gathering, through his preaching as recorded in his book. In other words, his dispensation began during his life and would continue throughout time until all of Israel was finally restored and gathered, through his words. The restoration of Israel, then, which is the dispensation of the fulness of times, might be properly said to have begun with Mormon, he being that dispensation’s head, which is why he and his book and his name are held up as an ensign or standard to the nations.

Mormon’s ministry and the converts that he got, during his time, do not seem to have apostatized, but to have been killed, showing that the restoration he undertook was a true restoration, none of them ever falling away again, choosing instead to suffer death. Likewise, the restoration of Israel is prophesied to occur without any more scattering or confounding. Once they are restored, they are firmly planted and will not be uprooted again.

Mormon’s compilation and abridgment of the Nephite records is another pattern after which the dispensation of the fulness of times will be brought to pass. It is prophesied that that dispensation will have all things in heaven and on earth brought together in one, in Christ, including hidden things that never have been known. Mormon’s work is, in essence, the bringing together in one of the Nephite scriptural records, which were hidden to us. His life’s work is an unfolding pattern that will be duplicated on a much larger scale.

Joseph Smith wrote,

Neither can they nor we be made perfect without those who have died in the gospel also; for it is necessary in the ushering in of the dispensation of the fulness of times, which dispensation is now beginning to usher in, that a whole and complete and perfect union, and welding together of dispensations, and keys, and powers, and glories should take place, and be revealed from the days of Adam even to the present time. And not only this, but those things which never have been revealed from the foundation of the world, but have been kept hid from the wise and prudent, shall be revealed unto babes and sucklings in this, the dispensation of the fulness of times. (D&C 128:18)

Joseph’s work was never completed, not even in our day. It is entirely appropriate to say that the dispensation of the fulness of times is still in the process of being ushered in. When the tribes of Israel are restored to the lands of their inheritance and into the fold of God, then it will have finally been ushered in. I have assumed from the above quotation that the dispensation of the fulness of times began to be ushered in only with Joseph Smith, but that assessment may have been premature. It may have begun to be ushered in with Mormon, but was interrupted by Lamanite aggression.

Joseph’s ministry, then, may have been a continuation of Mormon’s ministry, which is why Moroni was sent to him. However, since there was another interval between Mormon and Joseph, in which the gospel was lost and the church ceased to exist again, Joseph was given yet another dispensation, his being the Gentile dispensation of the last days and the last time.

For unto you, the Twelve, and those, the First Presidency, who are appointed with you to be your counselors and your leaders, is the power of this priesthood given, for the last days and for the last time, in the which is the dispensation of the fulness of times, which power you hold, in connection with all those who have received a dispensation at any time from the beginning of the creation; for verily I say unto you, the keys of the dispensation, which ye have received, have come down from the fathers, and last of all, being sent down from heaven unto you. (D&C 112:30-32)

When John the Baptist was sent to Joseph and Oliver, he stated that he acted under direction of Peter, James and John. Joseph never mentioned if Moroni ever stated he acted under the direction of someone else, but based on what he wrote in the Book of Mormon, he possibly was acting under the direction of his father, Mormon, as he did when he finished the book. Regardless of whether that is true or not, the fact that there’s an unbroken line from Mormon to Moroni to Joseph shows that Mormon’s ministry was not confined to his own time, but dealt with the future, with its main goal being the restoration of Israel.

What all this means

If any of this is true, it means that we can wholeheartedly embrace the terms Mormon, the Mormon church and Mormonism. Although these terms have been assigned to us by non-believers, it may have been done with the approval of God. The Lord likes to have his people distinguished from all others, and Mormon may be the name He has chosen for us, because of the prominent role Mormon has played and will play in the restoration of His people, he being of exceedingly high estimation in God’s sight. If Mormon was as great a prophet as I suspect he was, and is, in fact, the head of the dispensation of the fulness of times, it ought to be an honor for us to be called after his name.

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  1. Where are the 12 disciples?

    In pondering further on this topic, I find it interesting that the Gentile church is not entirely patterned after the Nephite church. The Jews had twelve living apostles at the same time that the Nephites had twelve living disciples. But the Gentile church was established with twelve living Gentile apostles. Where are the simultaneous, living, twelve disciples? This part has not, as yet, been restored. Yet it was an integral part of the Nephite church, for both the Jewish apostles and the Nephite disciples were meant to exist in perpetuity, each time one of them dying, someone else being ordained in their stead.

    So, the restoration that Mormon sought for, the re-establishment of the Nephite church, as it was set up by Christ when He visited and ministered to them, was not completed, for although the disciples visited Mormon and Moroni, the church in their times was missing the 12 disciples.

    Who is the head of the dispensation of the fulness of times?

    The question of who is the head of the dispensation of the fulness of times is an interesting one because we look to Joseph as its head principally because he was the first restorer to come forth after the church of Jesus Christ ceased to exist. But that is not correct. Mormon was the first. So, in turns of being first, Mormon ought to get that designation. The fact that Mormon did not complete his mission is not important, for neither did Joseph. Both men sealed their testimony with their blood, by their enemies killing them.

    Should a Gentile or a pure blooded Israelite be at the head?

    Another point to consider is whether it was ever in the mind of God to have a Gentile at the head of the greatest of all dispensations. It doesn’t make sense to me that this would be so, considering that this dispensation is all about the restoration of the tribes of Israel. Which tribe, then, of the twelve tribes, should be the one with the head? Logically, it ought to be the tribe that gathers the twelve tribes and builds the New Jerusalem, which would be the tribe of Manasseh, everyone else assisting. If so, then Mormon would be a prime candidate, he being a direct descendant of Nephi and of the tribe of Manasseh.

    Beginning to usher in anew

    If the dispensation of the fulness of times has, as its head, a man of one of the tribes of Israel, then what Joseph wrote, “the dispensation of the fulness of times, which dispensation is now beginning to usher in” really means, “the dispensation of the fulness of times, which dispensation is now beginning to usher in [anew]”. It is once again beginning to usher in, as it began to usher in during Mormon’s ministry. And it will begin to usher in anew during the second act, which will come to completion.

    Isaiah 49

    Isaiah 49 (or Nephi 21) speaks of a man, a servant of the Lord, whose work has been in vain.

    Then I said, I have labored in vain, I have spent my strength for naught and in vain; surely my judgment is with the Lord, and my work with my God.

    Wrote Mormon,

    And I did cry unto this people, but it was in vain; and they did not realize that it was the Lord that had spared them, and granted unto them a chance for repentance. And behold they did harden their hearts against the Lord their God.

    And it came to pass that in the three hundred and eightieth year the Lamanites did come again against us to battle, and we did stand against them boldly; but it was all in vain, for so great were their numbers that they did tread the people of the Nephites under their feet.

    But behold this my joy was vain, for their sorrowing was not unto repentance, because of the goodness of God; but it was rather the sorrowing of the damned, because the Lord would not always suffer them to take happiness in sin.

    Isaiah prophesied, concerning this servant,

    And now, saith the Lord—that formed me from the womb that I should be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him—though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the Lord, and my God shall be my strength.

    And he said: It is a light thing that thou shouldst be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel. I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the ends of the earth.

    Mormon’s book is specifically for the purpose of gathering the tribes of Israel, including the remnant (preserved) among them and being a light to the Gentiles.

    Again prophesied Isaiah,

    Thus saith the Lord, the Redeemer of Israel, his Holy One, to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nations abhorreth, to servant of rulers: Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the Lord that is faithful.

    Thus saith the Lord: In an acceptable time have I heard thee, O isles of the sea, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee; and I will preserve thee, and give thee my servant for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages;

    Mormon actually fits the description of a man of the isles of the sea, and of a servant who has been given for a covenant of the people. We now call his book Another Testament of Christ, which is another way of saying, “another covenant of Christ.”

    Could Mormon be an Elias?

    There is the Elias that restores all things,

    And also with Elias, to whom I have committed the keys of bringing to pass the restoration of all things spoken by the mouth of all the holy prophets since the world began, concerning the last days

    and there is the Elias that prepares the way of the Lord,

    But I say unto you, Who is Elias? Behold, this is Elias, whom I send to prepare the way before me.

    Mormon fits in both accounts, for his book was all about the restoration of Israel and it was also a preparation:

    And for this cause, that men might be made partakers of the glories which were to be revealed, the Lord sent forth the fulness of his gospel, his everlasting covenant, reasoning in plainness and simplicity—to prepare the weak for those things which are coming on the earth, and for the Lord’s errand in the day when the weak shall confound the wise, and the little one become a strong nation, and two shall put their tens of thousands to flight.

  2. Mormon’s converts were called the disciples of the Lord

    Although the 12 Nephite disciples had been removed by the time Mormon was eleven years old, when he was sent forth as a missionary prophet to build up the church again, his converts were likely of the same caliber as the 12, missing, Nephite disciples. Evidence of this is that the 24 remaining souls and the ones that escaped into the south country, would rather die than deny Jesus and join the Lamanites. Only the ones who joined the Lamanites were wicked. So, there were some righteous people, converts of Mormon, among the Nephites that fought the last, great battle. We know this from two sources. From Alma’s prophecy:

    Behold, I perceive that this very people, the Nephites, according to the spirit of revelation which is in me, in four hundred years from the time that Jesus Christ shall manifest himself unto them, shall dwindle in unbelief.

    Yea, and then shall they see wars and pestilences, yea, famines and bloodshed, even until the people of Nephi shall become extinct—

    Yea, and this because they shall dwindle in unbelief and fall into the works of darkness, and lasciviousness, and all manner of iniquities; yea, I say unto you, that because they shall sin against so great light and knowledge, yea, I say unto you, that from that day, even the fourth generation shall not all pass away before this great iniquity shall come.

    And when that great day cometh, behold, the time very soon cometh that those who are now, or the seed of those who are now numbered among the people of Nephi, shall no more be numbered among the people of Nephi.

    But whosoever remaineth, and is not destroyed in that great and dreadful day, shall be numbered among the Lamanites, and shall become like unto them, all, save it be a few who shall be called the disciples of the Lord; and them shall the Lamanites pursue even until they shall become extinct. And now, because of iniquity, this prophecy shall be fulfilled.

    The 24 plus surviving souls that were hunted down were called the disciples of the Lord, yet they weren’t those 12 men that the Lord established as a perpetual quorum, for they were greater in number than 12. Mormon, then, may not have succeeded in restoring the 12 to the church he built up, but apparently he succeeded in making every member of the church a “disciple of the Lord.”

    Another reason we know that righteous Nephites were fighting in that last battle, against the Lamanites, is because of Mormon’s lamentation, when he looked upon the dead bodies all around, after the final battle:

    And the day soon cometh that your mortal must put on immortality, and these bodies which are now moldering in corruption must soon become incorruptible bodies; and then ye must stand before the judgment-seat of Christ, to be judged according to your works; and if it so be that ye are righteous, then are ye blessed with your fathers who have gone before you.

    If the entire army was composed of wicked souls, Mormon would not have said this. So, there were spiritually dead Nephites (the vase majority of them) and righteous disciples of the Lord fighting side-by-side in that last battle against the Lamanites. The wicked who survived the battle, joined the Lamanites. The righteous who survived the battle, were hunted down by the Lamanites and killed. All, except for Moroni.

    This shows that Mormon’s preaching must have been extraordinarily powerful, for joining the true church, restored by Mormon, was a death sentence, for they all must have known that this was the end of the Nephite civilization, and Alma’s prophecy would have to be fulfilled, even as he spoke it. Joining the Mormon church, then, was not about temporal salvation, but strictly the salvation of their souls, for all the righteous must have known that the extinction of the Nephites and their own deaths at the hands of the Lamanites, was their fate. I wonder how many latter-day saints would join the Mormon church today, knowing it would be a death sentence?

    This also shows just how wrong the peace-niks are about this book and its core message about warfare.

  3. Well — this makes me quite pleased to be called a “Mormon”. Though, admittedly, I never was put-off by it in the first place. “Mormon” is usually what I tell other people that I “am” whenever they ask.

  4. This is why I like and read your blog.

    Having been a member for four years (last week), I get more out of one of your blog posts than a whole quarter in Institute on the Book of Mormon. Even though most of your posts make me twist my mind in strange ways and I can’t get through Elder Countdown’s double talk, many times I have grown more in my spirituality from one of your posts than from all the Sundays and Tuesdays of correlated lessons.

  5. pinkrose89,

    That’s a really nice thing to say. Thank you for the compliment.

  6. Yes, pinkrose. I loved your comment and also thank you for the compliment. There is a lot of “double talk” in the Book of Mormon. And I would write differently considering the audience if I were not led by the spirit to write the way I do. Here is a juicy and pertinent piece of “double speak” from the dust.

    Alma 45:14

    14 But whosoever remaineth [a remnant], and is not destroyed in that great and dreadful day, shall be numbered among the Lamanites, and shall become like unto them, all, save it be a few who shall be called the disciples of the Lord; and them shall the Lamanites pursue even until they shall become extinct. And now, because of iniquity (inequality), this prophecy shall be fulfilled.

    3 Nephi 21:22,12,13

    22 But if they will repent and hearken unto my words, and harden not their hearts, I will establish my church among them, [a few who shall be called the disciples of/by the Lord – as opposed to the many who call themselves disciples of the Lord aka Saints of the Latter Days] and they shall come in unto the covenant and be numbered among [the Lamanites] this the remnant of Jacob, unto whom I have given this land for their inheritance

    12 And my people who are a remnant of Jacob [the Lamanites] shall be among the Gentiles, yea, in the midst of them as a lion among the beasts of the forest, as a young lion among the flocks of sheep, who, if he go through both treadeth down and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver.

    13 Their hand shall be lifted up upon their adversaries, and all their enemies shall be cut off [even until they shall become extinct].

    3 Nephi 22:16

    16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; [the Smith that puts his head into a hat containing seer stones and ,while in an altered state of consciousness, in the spirit, in the fire, breatheth the words of the Book of Mormon, an instrument for his work] and I have created the waster to destroy. [spiritual and physical seed of Joseph and Jacob combined to form an army of stripling bi-racial, uni-spiritual warriors. Mostly Lamanite blood, nevertheless, spiritual sons of Helaman (Nephite) who are protected of the Lord and indomitable in battle.]

  7. It’s pretty funny how that pattern repeats, either to one’s damnation on the one hand, or salvation on the other.


    If Mormons believe that all Mormon prophets are appointed by God, then why do they not believe every word, every doctrine taught by all of the Mormon prophets?


    Deuteronomy 18:18 I will raise up a prophet from among their countrymen like you, and I will put My words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him.

    2 Peter 1:20-21 But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, 21 for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.

    God puts His words in the mouths of prophets. All prophets from God are given God’s word through the Holy Spirit.
    God’s prophets speak without error.


    “In the beginning the head of the Gods called a council of the Gods and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and people it” (The Journal of Discourses, Volume VI, Sermon by Joseph Smith)

    If you are Mormon and do not believe this, why not? Is it because it is contrary to the Bible?

    “God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! That is the great secret… It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for certainty the Character of God, and to know…that he was once a man like us…Here, then, is eternal life…to know the only wise and true God; and you have to learn to be Gods yourselves…the same as all Gods have done before you… (Prophet Joesph Smith,Jr., “King Follett Discourse,” Journal of Discourse. V.6, pp. 3-4)

    “Now hear it, O inhabitants of the earth, Jew and Gentile, Saints and sinner! When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He MICHEL, the Archangel, the ANCIENT OF DAYS! about holy men have written and spoken–He is our Father and our God, and the only God with whom WE have to do …..(Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, V. 1, p. 51)

    “No man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial kingdom of God without the consent of Joesph Smith… every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith, junior, as a passport to their entrance into the mansion where God and Christ are”(Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, V. 7, p. 289)

    If you are a Mormon and deny the quotes by Mormon prophets are true, then, how can you be a Mormon in good standing with the Mormon Church?

    All of the above quotes by Mormon prophets are contrary to the truth found in the Bible. You either have to believe that the Mormon prophets are from God or that the Holy Bible is from God. You cannot believe both.



  9. Most Mormons don’t pay attention to the ancient and contradictory “personal” doctrines of J.Smith and B.Young. In their minds they say “it is not time for me to dig into that, maybe one day I’ll have a closer look”. And then they move on with their lives never to revisit those “hard” points again.
    You will find truckloads of weird doctrines especially spoken by B.Young.
    Pointing to B.Young’s inconsistencies is like pointing to the crusades for the Catholics.
    The LDS Church doesnt persecute for not believing B.Young, however, expressing doubts about the modern-day “Brethren” is frowned upon and can get one excommunicated. (Not that I approve of that, I’m just stating my observation).

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