Making SENSE of It All – Pt. 1


When we take the Faith Fall from heavenly angelic status to three dimensional mortality, it is as the poet has said, “Not in entire forgetfulness, And not in utter nakedness” but equipped with a backpack full of supplies. These supplies which protect us from suffering irreparable injuries like total amnesia or overexposure to the new elements with which we will come into contact, could be accurately described as the functions of a special space suit. The space suit not only covers us but also features a communication device in the helmet, so that we may ever maintain contact with our Celestial Home Base. When we were issued these psychonaut space suits, we were told that – Inasmuch as we do not defile them, they will be shields and a protection to us until we have finished our work on the earth. The space suit is your physical body and its particular functions with which your soul interfaces are the senses.

Ray Bradburry, who recently completed his “work on Earth”, called it the “Wonderful Ice Cream Suit.” Brother Bradburry spoke of this interfacing not only in terms of the powers with which the suit seems to endow us, but also the gifts that we bring to it. By cherishing it and refusing to die, one may become an illustrious or Illustrated Man. Hue-Man beings clothe themselves in coats of many colors, through which their Christ Light may shine to the world. But we must remember that it is not the clothes that make the man. God makes the man and wears him as clothing. Perhaps this is not the best analogy for we who have been raised in modern materialistic culture to place such importance on clothing and not so much on the body and even less on the spirit. It is this imbalance that turns useful tools into stumbling blocks. But I am of the opinion that many of us are awakening day by day to a greater understanding of the condescension of God. And we are starting the journey with an echoing of Nephi’s humble declaration: “I know that [God] loveth his children; nevertheless, I do not know the meaning of all things.”

Whether Lehi’s Dream or Nephi’s accessing of that same dream; from Joseph Smith’s First Vision to Saul’s Visitation on the road to Damascus, what is being described in these scriptural accounts is typically multi-sensory. There are sights, sounds, tastes, smells and sometimes extreme shaking. But were these in every case detected by the physical senses or were they sometimes only perceived spiritually? Or is it in fact necessary that there be a separation between the two? I believe that what we commonly refer to as the five carnal senses exist only as extensions of their spiritual counterparts. We read the words on the pages, where holy writ admonishes us to activate the spiritual senses, but do we really see with eyes to see or hear with ears to hear?

At church we have all heard mention of our spirit bodies but in our pride and ignorance we rarely pause to ask Sunday School teachers, Priesthood™ leaders or even ourselves about these bodies. The youngest of children in the Nursery and Primary programs sing a version of “Head, Shoulders, Knees & Toes” which is peculiar to the disappointingly non peculiar people of LDS culture. Our version, however, shares much in common with the rest of the World’s version and they both end with the lyrics, “Eyes, Ears, Mouth & Nose.” It just so happens, that the Yod, Heh, Vau, Heh of the sacred name of YHWH correspond with Sight, Hearing, Taste & Smell. Touch also is alluded to in this children’s song through the pointing actions which accompany the performance of it. When the spirit brought these facts to my attention, I began to suspect that senses were of more import than I had been led to think. For it had been an Inner Sense in the First Place, that inspired my mind only moments before the revelation, to invoke the name and thereby tune into the radio frequency of  EEAAOOAAEEAAOOAAEEAAOOAAEEAAOOAAEE

Proverbs 20:12 – The hearing ear, and the seeing eye, Yahweh has made even both of them.

Isaiah 11:3 – His delight will be in the fear of Yahweh. He will not judge by the sight of his eyes, neither decide by the hearing of his ears.


It is not too surprising that we should be generally unaware of our spirit bodies. We are, after all, awakening from a Deep Sleep that came upon us directly after the formation of our physical bodies was completed. At this point, that we are as childish “babes in the gospel” should be to our shame, as Paul teaches in Hebrews. But babes or child-like in terms of purity of soul are exactly what we must become if we are to inherit the Kingdom. At some point after a little baby takes her first “breath of life” it starts to fall into the Deep Sleep. But for a time she retains much awareness of and from within the Heavenly Realms. It is the lower realms that take some getting use to for the newborn at first. For example, how long does it usually take a baby to discover that she has a mouth? But notice how much of the world the baby is already instinctively discovering through that mouth even before understanding that she has one? The young child, upon finding himself in the Lone and Dreary World, already loosing some feeling in his spirit body, seems to retain enough spiritual wherewithal to use the mouth to cry out unto the Lord. “Oh GOD, hear the words of my mouth!” We would do well to realize that the prayers of the righteous are only advanced baby cries. Now we find ourselves working backwards to become like little children again. A psychological map would be helpful. From where we stand now, we have a severely limited concept of things like, spiritual taste buds, even though these pre-seed the physical taste buds on our temporal tongues by who knows how many millennia. We have to grow back into them. Be of good cheer and let the Gods soothe us in our growing pains. These spiritual senses, though they may hurt coming in (like wisdom teeth) are the Gifts of The Spirit. And they are spoken of by many of the mystics of Mormonism and countless other traditions.

Alma the Younger – “It must needs be that this is a good seed, or that the word is good, for it beginneth to enlarge my soul; yea, it beginneth to enlighten my understanding, yea, it beginneth to be delicious to me.” –Alma 32:28

Joseph Smith – “This is good doctrine. It tastes good. I can taste the principles of eternal life, and so can you. They are given to me by the revelations of Jesus Christ; and I know that when I tell you these words of eternal life as they are given to me, you taste them, and I know that you believe them. You say honey is sweet, and so do I. I can also taste the spirit of eternal life. I know it is good; and when I tell you of these things which were given me by inspiration of the Holy Spirit, you are bound to receive them as sweet, and rejoice more and more.” –King Follett Discourse

Where clairgustance  (perception of the essence of a substance through taste from the spiritual realms.) is manifest we can be sure to find clairalience, (the gift of psychic smell). This is so because the temporal gifts reflect those of the spirit. Smell goes hand in hand with taste. Without it, prophets could not have been aware of the presence of brimstone (sulfur) in visions of Hell. Even Lehi, although he never claimed to have seen an angel outside of “visions and dreams” takes special pains to explain the vividness of his perceptions such as, “most sweet, above all that I ever before tasted” and “white, to exceed all the whiteness that I had ever seen.” It is interesting to note that these things were perceived in a dream state yet are unhesitatingly compared to things perceived in a waking state. What is the difference? If anything we can see that Lehi’s perception while in dream state was more intense than “normal” waking experiences typically are. Things seen, heard, felt, tasted or smelled while “in the spirit” are in this “sense” more real or true than those detected with the outer senses. Our mortal frame is only a shadow of our light/spirit body. The five so called Classical Senses are developing in their probationary state and are therefore inferior to the Spiritual Senses.

Although they are today commonly grouped together and referred to by the vague term,  “sixth sense”, the Spiritual Senses were actually much more widely understood and utilized in ancient times. Mankind collectively has, for the most part, followed the same path as we see the individual take. It’s a round leading from enjoyment of intimate contact with the divine through fully functioning Inner Senses, to increasingly lower levels of spiritual sensation while the Outer Senses take over. Then, if we are diligent in honoring the Circle of Life both within and without, we will come back around to heightened spiritual awareness. But when we come back we will notice that although the “Prodigal Sense” has returned, all is not exactly as it was before our departure. No, this time everything is even better! Now the party really begins and we know what it is to FEEL a FULLNESS of Joy!


Why should we be shocked that The Gifts of The Spirit are one and the same as the Psychic Abilities we hear spoken of more and more these days? Are we represented by the character of the “Good Son” who never left Home but lacks a great deal of love and understanding when he displays a “goodie goodie” attitude toward his brother upon his return? I hope we will rather exemplify the more positive aspects of adolescence; namely those of curiosity and an adventurous spirit.

Many a Mormon youth at Especially For Youth (EFY) has asked their supposed spiritual leaders: How can I know if it’s the Spirit or if it’s just me?Their leaders, who “receive not the spirit” and therefore should “not teach” as per Doctrine & Covenants 42:14, will unhesitatingly respond with some regurgitated piece of vomit about a “burning in the bosom”, which, to hear them describe it, sounds indistinguishable from indigestion induced heartburn. Then they will strongly recommend always double checking it against the rule of thumb issued by “The Brethren”. They are not to be trusted, especially with our youth. They have, in all too many instances, buried alive that portion of spirit with which they were entrusted. Like the wicked and slothful servant whose soul is stripped from him in the parable of the talents, they supposed that they would be justified because of their “knowledge” of “how the World works”. So they buried their Lord’s talent in that dust of the earth which, for now, composes their temporal bodies. That our temples may serve a holy purpose, it is true. But they are nonetheless TEMPles which when not understood, deteriorate to factories of “dead works” (Moroni 8:23) or “whitened sepulchers” (Matt 23:27) wherein the “dead bury the dead” (Luke 9:60) while vainly imagining they are doing some great service. This goes for LDS temple buildings as well as our physical persons.

“Burning in the bosom”, is a term taken from Holy Scripture and it is all too often erroneously applied to mere emotional reactions. In proper context it is used to describe one single sentiment out of endless possible manifestations of clairsentience,or the alignment of external feeling of the flesh with inner feeling of the spirit. One problem with this overemphasis on a “heart warming” sensation as the main fruit of the Spirit is that it is perhaps the most easy to isolate from the Spirit. And once cut off from the Source this vibration fragments into a series of automatic muscular reactions which can be easily replicated and used by the deceiver to synthetically provoke spirit-like spasms on demand. The implications of such emotionally manipulative imitations of the presence and voice of God being available at the flip of a switch to those who seek control over their fellow beings are very terrible. The general public does not know about or think about things such as Extreme Low Frequencies (ELF). This is particularly dangerous because they know and think even less about the still, small voice of the Good Shepherd. Not having anything else to compare it to leaves them in a very precarious path indeed when trick-nology comes into play.

Once again, it is the children who suffer most when “burning in the bosom” is downgraded to “warm fuzzies,” then further diminished in any of its remaining spiritual qualities by uprooting it completely out of the hearts and minds of LDS youngsters and placing it in the physical plane to die alone as a pom-pom in a jar; a false form, literally sealed off from the life sustaining air/ether/prana of the spirit realm of imagination. This was an actual project carried out to honor Pres. Monson’s 82ndbirthday. (Wasn’t that a dainty dish to set before the king?) They then used it as a gimmick to push sales for his biography “To The Rescue” though Deseret Book.


So the kids have need of being rescued from imposters. They are expeer-encing some interfear-ence while trying to re-cognize the REAL voice of the Good Shepherd. Their right brains/hearts are “failing them for fear” [False Evidence Appearing Real] “and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth” Luke 21:26. And Jesus says it’s only going to get worse during the commotion that ensues after the destruction of the Temple. Take special note of the verb ‘looking’ that Jesus uses in that passage. Remember it is crucial that we use our sense of sight correctly and that means developing what is technically and truly our First Sight but often called Second Sight, which ironically and poetically could be said to emanate from our Third Eye. One, Two, Three…Three, Two, One. Are you starting to see how it all works? First, Last…Last, First. “Yes, yes, that is all very interesting.” we might say, “But tell us, who will save the children?” –The Storyteller responds: “Why, who else would come to rescue The Children but The Fathers?!”

The Lord is sending the Spirit of Elijah or in other words, The Spirit of The Ancestors, “To turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the children to the fathers,” D&C 110:15. According to D&C 138:48, this great work is “to be done in the temples of the Lord in the  dispensation of the fullness of times, for the redemption of the dead, and the sealing of the children to their parents, lest the whole earth be smitten with a curse and utterly wasted at his coming.” But how is this possible when Jesus told us that the Temple itself would be utterly wasted as the kick-off for all this excitement? How will the Fathers rescue the Children? They will act through the Children. And how will they act through us? It will happen via our genes and our senses. So we can see that it is of utmost importance that we purify our physical senses and attune them with the spiritual wavelength of the ante-sensors (ancestors).


While the act of connecting with one’s ancestors is very organic and bound to blossom in a variety of personalized ways, there is however a scientific side to it. And praise be to the ancient ones for that. Our minds need a healthy level of scientific method. The left hemisphere of the brain has the potential to present us with as many stumbling blocks as it can tools of precision. It is Adam, an inner husband kneeling across the altar from our right brain bride and swearing to play the role of personal protector. But unless the left brain/mind is given the right things to fixate on, it will inevitably become confused. In a confused state it alternates between being a poor protector at best and an abuser at worst. The left brain likes a certain degree of causality. It makes him feel productive and puts him in touch with his creative powers. From this left side of our brain we stand and issue edicts and laws like a king as our queen looks on from her spot enthroned at our right hand, stoic, silent, sexy. When the King and Queen are in agreement as to how to rule the land, it provides balance and peace. Looking to antiquity we find very few examples of this type of arrangement perpetuated perfectly throughout history, whether on an individual or more literal level. What we do find when we retrace humanity’s steps are certain times and places when people considered all things to be more sacrosanct.

The Wadjet Eye  or Eye of Horus, is an ancient Egyptian representation of the inner recesses of the brain. Its individual parts were also used to represent mathematical fractions and the senses

Eye of Horus – Human Brain

Besides the mysterious absence of the last Sixtyfourth, it is also intriguing to see the overall resemblance to the configuration of Thalamus, Hypothalamus, Medulla Oblongata and Corpus Callosum that scientist call the reptilian brain. Furthermore the various pieces of the image seem to match up with those outer body parts which would be used in the gathering of sensory data from the presently detectable world around us. We have glyphs looking very must like the nose, an eye, an ear, the tongue and a finger. But the most fascinating aspect of all this is the fact that thought is presented as one of six senses. Thought is here represented by a linear waveform , which when incorporated with the complete pictogram, becomes the brow over the Eye of Horus.

When we look back in the archives of religious records there are several shining examples of righteous rulers who remind us that you can not have RIGHTeousness without the RIGHT Brain. But one stands out in a special way because we are told that he and his people, who founded a whole city/nation, were taken up, people, place and things alike, into Heaven. This is a singular achievement which has sparked man’s imagination ever since. Many who speak about the concept of Zion will refer to this as the ultimate success story. Whether you are a Mormon who only talks about it, or one of the few who actually desire Zion in reality, you will be somewhat familiar with the City of Enoch. Enoch appears in the ancient Egyptian pantheon as an ibis headed man named Thoth. As the god of magic, healing and wisdom, and patron of scribes, ThothTaughtThought. His main cult center was the city of Khumun, which sounds like ‘Common’ and translates as ‘Eight Town’. Could it be that Thoth or Thought is the Common Sense, the Sixth Sense connecting the five carnal senses with the two houses of our spiritual senses located in our left and right brains? Can Thoth be thought of as the Sixth Chakra ball of energy spinning in the vicinity of the pituitary gland which activates during adoleSENSE alerting the teenage initiate to his potential for adulthood? Is thought then the Christ which, if allowed to roam freely between Heaven and Earth, will eventually succeed in reconciling us with Father & Mother? Think about it.


If the ancient inhabitants of Egypt worshiped previously translated beings but failed to grasp certain plain and precious truths lost in translation and so were not collectively translated themselves, then subsequent eras under Greek and finally Arab domination brought with them, not only more open rejection of The Truth, but continued chances for redemption as well. Even from within the cage of enforced religion, the sacred Ibis of human thought yearned to fly again. And the avian aspects of man’s thinking sang a song of freedom through the thoughts of Ibn Sina known in Europe by his Latinized name, Avicenna

Avicenna(981 – 1037 CE) was the major influence upon the history of Islamic psychology, taking the ideas of the Greek philosophers, who had taken them from the Egyptians, he adapted them to fit Islamic doctrine. He began with Aristotle’s idea that humans possessed three types of soul, the vegetative, animal and rational psyches. He held the belief that man shared the first two in common with the plants and animals and that the latter was something shared in common by man and God. Man was thus simultaneously earthbound and heaven-bound.

Avicenna attempted to shed light on this curious condition. He proposed that we have seven inner senses to complement the outer senses. This was an attempt to understand the mechanics of reason. We could say he was presented with an obstacle by the Islamic prohibition of dissection. Nevertheless, he was led by the Spirit and came up with the following psychological map of the inner senses.

  • Common Sense: This sense collates the information gathered by the external senses.
  • Retentive Imagination: This sense remembers the information gathered by the common sense.
  • Compositive Animal Imagination: This sense allows all animals to learn what they should avoid and what they should actively seek in their natural environment.
  • Compositive Human Imagination: This sense helps humans to learn what to avoid and what to seek in the world around them.
  • Estimative Power: This is the ability to make innate judgments about the surrounding environment and determine what is dangerous and what is beneficial. For example, an innate and instinctual fear of predators would fall under this sense.
  • Memory: The memory is responsible for remembering all of the information developed by the other senses.
  • Processing: This is the ability to use all of the information and is the highest of the seven internal senses.


“And now come, saith the Lord, by the Spirit, unto the elders of his church, and let us reason together, that ye may understand” – D&C 50:10

If we understand the first point on this chart to be transitional, then we will see that the word ‘Common’ in the phrase, ‘Common Sense’ should not be misconstrued as holding the same meaning as when we say ‘Common Knowledge’, since this term is often no more than a clever euphemism used to try and grant a more regal sounding heir to misleading popular opinion. In reality, ‘Common’ here refers to the meeting place between the outer and inner senses.

Modern neuroscience tells us that it is the cerebral cortex or pallium where the brains of all vertebrates take sensory information to integrate it, learn from it, and decide how to respond. The equivalents to the cerebral cortex in invertebrates are clusters of neurons known as mushroom-bodies. Until recent years, scientists thought that invertebrate mushroom-bodies and vertebrate pallium had arisen independently during the course of evolution. But in-depth research into the marine ragworm has proven this was most probably not the case. How could they possibly determine whether the Gods spoken of in Genesis laid the foundation for the brain of Man at the very moment that their spirit “moved upon the face of the waters”? Well it intuitively makes sense that the blueprint for God’s own children would be present throughout all creation, but the particular proofs that modern research points to were found when comparing the olfactory of the worm with that of man.

What could be more amazing than finding a humanlike brain structure in a worm? How about the identification of a wormlike structure in the human brain? The cerebellar vermis is that worm. In the 14th-century Cambridge brain diagram illustrating Avicenna’s Canon of Medicine, the cerebral worm is represented between the powers of memory (vis memorativa) and cognition or imagination (cogitativa vel ymaginativa). Mediating between the two, the worm works as a valve modulating the active and passive operations of thought, its movement translated in the human tendency to lower the head when thinking (You and each of you, bow your head and say yes) and raise it when we are re-collecting (sense data from the realm of the past). We raise our heads in order to expose our nostrils more directly to the air; so that through this elevation we may evaluate the information which God is whispering on the wind at any given moment and compare it to that which he has communicated to us in times past; so as to have the most potent effect on the present and into the fragrant flow of the future. For everyone who has a nose knows that smell, more than any other sense, has the power to conjure up memory.

Avicenna’s Cannon
Vermis Detail

When we consider that our sense of smell is perhaps the most anciently bestowed of God’s gifts, it seems very appropriate that the olfactory would be associated with the ½ fraction in the breakdown of the Eye of Horus symbol. Halfway between Heaven and Earth., man is endowed with a nose to lead the way before him. Functioning as a sacred rendezvous platform between worlds, the olfactory bulbs are the only parts of the nervous system which have direct contact with the outside world. In-cense stimulates Inner Sense when lit and offered up at the apertures to the Holy Temple. But if the afferent priest, who’s lot it is to “make perfume” going into the sanctuary of the Lord, should doubt the message of his inner senses, it will be with him as it was with Zachariah. The moral of that story is: Don’t be ‘dumb’. Listen and believe in what your inner senses tell you.

The lost people we are, could anything be of more value to us in helping us find our way than memory of past eternities? But alas our odor decoders are taken for granted or repeatedly weakened through doubt, causing this most poignant of sensations to be so fleeting. This is known in scientific terms as sensory adaptation. We might also call it a lack of faith and a rebellion against God. To rebel means to wage war again. Our fallen senses have cut themselves off from the presence of the Lord and still suppose that they know how to interpret their surroundings better.

“For the natural man is an enemy to God, and has been from the fall of Adam, and will be, forever and ever, unless he yields to the enticings of the Holy [Senses], and putteth off the natural man and becometh a saint through the at-one-ment of Christ the Lord, and becometh as a child, submissive, meek, humble, patient, full of love, willing to submit to all things which the Lord seeth fit to inflict upon him, even as a child doth submit to his father.” Mosiah 3:19

When King Benjamin says that “The natural man is an enemy to God” he is not talking about people who enjoy camping or being in ‘nature’. Nor is he saying anything of those who follow their natural inclination to “multiply and replenish the earth”. Other passages in the Book of Mormon are very clear on the effects of the fall, which King Benjamin cites as the point where the problem began. In speaking of the fall, Alma says:

“Therefore, as they had become carnal, sensual, and devilish, by nature, this probationary state became a state for them to prepare” Alma 42:10

When Alma says ‘sensual’ he does not mean ‘sexy’ or even ‘sexual’ since it was God who made us to be sexual beings. No, he means simply that we are controlled by the carnal senses. We trust the outer senses over the inner and have therefore fallen out of touch with reality. We are double-minded beings, tottering back and forth between inner and outer nature but mostly focusing on the outer. We must do as the scripture advises, put off the natural man and become saints through the at-one-ment of Christ. If our inner and outer natures are not AT ONE with each other, then we will forever be AT ODDS with ourselves. We will be enemies to God.

When we feel both our inner and outer natures come together, this COMMON ground establishes a Zion and a sense of expansiveness comes over us, causing us to exclaim:

“COME ON people now, smile on your brother. Everybody get together, got to love one another right now!”   –  Get Together” by Youngbloods


  1. Very few comments here. I believe it is because this post seems to be all mental stuff. But it is really a call to action.
    I have been wondering for some time why my revelations are not the same as they were in years past. In fact they have changed over the years. They are less like external messages and more like internal information now. I was worried that I don’t feel a super natural feeling any more.
    But I am aware that I have come to a new understanding of who God is and who I am and our relationship with each other. I used to think of God as far away and that when I felt the Spirit as in a supernatural feeling not just an emotional thing that it meant He was coming to me from where He normally is.
    But now I know He is never far from me. He doesn’t return to me. I am the one who looks and opens my mind and heart to what He is saying from inside of my brain. That is not a disconnect from God or a transfer of my worship from God to my own self.
    It is a recognition that God never wanted me to be a puppet or a very smart yet remotely controlled robot. Many really “spiritual” people think and have taught with great eloquence that we are to submit to God in all things. And we come away thinking that we are to repress and submerge and basically blank out our brain and DNA’s messages to us and replace that self direction (it really is our agency) with the exterior direction emanating from God.
    That idea may sound sweet and can make you feel very secure. Beware of an appeal to your security. Satan used that from the beginning. Agency for all we were told is dangerous. That lie is still the Devil’s number one seller.
    God communicates to us through the organs of our mind. That is what this post is about.
    SO as I say I was concerned. I asked God to give me the guidance I needed in my life. It was one of those prayers where you know it was done with faith and inspiration and would produce results. I gave it in the evening and that night I had some of the most vivid dreams. I know that I dream every night but only remember a small fraction of what I dream if even that. Well this night I had loads of memories. And talk about imagery.
    I have been keeping a dream log since then I try to write in it in the morning before the dreams fade. The majority of all dreams I remember have a good spiritual message for me.
    After that particular night I remembered this scripture.
    Numbers 12:6 And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the Lord will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.
    7 My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house.
    8 With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the Lord shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?

    Okay the Lord says it straight. Moses and those face to face are the exceptions for prophets. God speaks to prophets through dreams and visions of the mind. If the vision spoken of there were a face to face then there would be no sense in God contrasting the face to face with Moses and the normal Prophet communications.
    God wants me to be just as He is. He wants me to be independently tuned into truth through the organs of my brain.
    So he will not always pick me up and carry me as I do my 8 month old son. And you know if I always do that he will never and I mean never learn to walk. It is unacceptable tome tohave 3 year old who can not walk.
    I have been seeking God for 50 plus years. Its about time He stop spoon feeding me don’t you think?

  2. Okay the Lord says it straight. Moses and those face to face are the exceptions for prophets. God speaks to prophets through dreams and visions of the mind. If the vision spoken of there were a face to face then there would be no sense in God contrasting the face to face with Moses and the normal Prophet communications.

    That sounds to me like the difference between a prophet and a seer, Moses being a seer, while the others being prophets. From that scripture you quoted:

    7 My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house.

    8 With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the Lord shall he behold [shall he see, as in seer/see-er]: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?

  3. To elaborate on this thought, if an angel comes down and ministers, which is a vision, that’s what happens to prophets, but if the Lord Himself comes down and ministers, that’s what happens to seers. Which means that if the ancient Nephite church all had angels minister to them, then they all were prophets. “Would to God that all men were prophets!” said Moses. And so, if all the ancient Nephite church saw angels, and thus were prophets, then their testimony of Jesus Christ, which came from these angelic experiences, really was the spirit of prophecy, for these experiences basically made them prophets.

    (Don’t take any of this as gospel. I’m just throwing thoughts out.)

  4. Prophet = pro + phenai, “To speak before” — we might also use pre + diction (it would break-down to the same meaning). It appears to be the words — the one who speaks a thing that comes into be-ing.

    Seer = see + er, “One who sees”. It appears to be the vision — the one who sees a thing and brings the vision back to the community.

  5. So, when the Lord says, “If there be a prophet among you, I the Lord will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream,” does that mean that all prophets are seers, also, since they will see visions and dream dreams? (There is also the definition of a seer given by Moroni, namely, the use of a seer-stone.)

  6. We seem to hold this one sense of seeing in special regard. Our folly is in esteeming SEEING as the sense which triggers BELIEVING. But the truth is that we receive no WITNESS or will not be an EYE WITNESS (also associated with sight by us as superior to other forms of witness) until AFTER the TRIAL of your faith.

    My thoughts as to spiritual sight are that it is MIRRORED by physical sight…and that the sense of sight, whether in its physical or spiritual aspects, MIRRORS our BELIEF. We litterally SEE WHAT WE WANT TO SEE. Or see what we EXPECT to see in most cases. But if we desire to see something we have “never seen before”, then we have BELIEVE FIRST.

    Our spiritual sight is not limited to the same range as our physical eyesight is. But it is interesting to think of Joseph Smith’s seership. First of all…why exactly did he retire to a grove of trees? He had no doubt prayed many times before and had at very least habitually asked God (for) things in the past….Daily bread and whatnot. What was Joseph expecting. I think this is the epitomy of EXPECTING THE UNEXPECTED. What he was told he did not expect…but was the visitation completely unexpected? Hmmmm. The First VISION seems to be very clear on the fact that The Father/Son appeared in a beam of light DIRECTLY ABOVE Joseph’s head. Of course his neck could give him the necessary range to look up and behold the two beings of light…but were examining the relationship between the undoubtably SPIRITUAL EXPERIENCE and the PHYSICAL EXPERIENCING of that same event…The two will always accompany eachother in some sort of way.

    So how did this happen? Did Joseph strain his neck back to look and behold the beam of light and the two personages appearing and “gradualy descending”, “directly above” his head? He could have easily been on his back, since, moments before, young Joseph had been ready to consign himself to utter desruction at the hands of some UNSEEN malevolent force. This might have been easier on his neck…but still…we would need to take into account the positioning of the personages above him. If perpendicular to the viewer/seer…then only the glorious soles of their feet would have been seen while delivering their message for that 14 year old boy, which would eventually reach much of mankind through the recounting of this personal experience. If Joseph was kneeling and looking forward or with head bowed, either way, he ended UP looking UPWARDS and UPON looking he beheld FACE TO FACE…two IDENTICAL BEINGS. The only way to make any DISTINCTION between the two was in fact a description of the CONNECTION between them. “This is my beloved son IN WHOM I AM…”

    More MIRRORING going on here…perhaps more mirroring than MEETS THE EYE. Does anyone esle wonder why Moses is described as speaking with The Lord…MOUTH TO MOUTH? Surely the phrase face to face has been used in ancient scripture and would make a lot of sense to ancients as well. I know that in semitc and even a lot of old-world european culture “face to face” when “one man speaketh with another” (as Moses’ conversations with God are described to have transpired) is much closer than what the Brittish and most latter-day Americans are comfortable with. But still….”Mouth to Mouth”….really? We would only use that term today to describe recesitation of a person whose breathing has been blocked.

    Also when examining the seership of Moses, why does it say that he shall behold the SIMILITUDE of the Lord? Is he to see the Lord…or just the SIMILITUDE of Him? In these accounts there are only two personages involved. It’s more of an “ME – GOD, YOU – MOSES” thing. God The Father does introduce His son. But this time it is “Moses, My Son”….Elsewhere in scripture it says that the Lord God spoke to Moses and said to him “Thou art in the similitude of mine Only Begotten” which is to say…”You and I LOOK ALIKE…We MIRROR eachother.”

    What Moses was told and shown was also something he had “NEVER EXPECTED”…Anyway…just some thoughts that I haven’t been able to put into a post yet….but interesting because even Joseph’s experience seems to be almost a MIRROR IMAGE of Moses’ experience. GOD & SON (seen and felt)— Satan & Hell (seen and felt)(felt and seen?) Satan & Hell —(seen and felt) GOD & SON.

  7. Ashe, which I talked about in the latest post…is descibed as the power to make things happen….its also described as the special vibration in a man’s or woman’s voice that makes his/her words come into being. Definitely the gift of prophesy.

  8. dyc4557 wrote, “Very few comments here.” Well, in my case, it is because I just now got around to reading it. Tasty stuff!

  9. So I first thought about:

    which say to the seers

    see not

    and to the prophets

    prophesy not …

    [Isaiah 30:10]

    which is why I thought “seers see” and “prophets speak” — and now I just thought of:

    and the king said
    that a seer is greater than a prophet

    and Ammon said
    that a seer is a revelator
    and a prophet also
    and a gift which is greater can no man have
    except he should possess the power of God
    which no man can
    yet a man may have great power given him from God

    but a seer can know of things
    which are past
    and also of things which are to come
    and by them shall all things be revealed
    or rather
    shall secret things be made manifest
    and hidden things shall come to light
    and things which are not known shall be made known
    by them
    and also things shall be made known
    by them
    which otherwise could not have been known

    [Mosiah 8:15]

    I guess a prophet should not speak of that which he does not know — and how could one know a thing unless they had either seen it [which is why a seer is also a prophet] or heard it from a reputable source, like an angel [making them a prophet but not a seer, accepting the angel’s word by faith alone, not having seen]?

  10. I like that thought, Justin. So, Lehi, Nephi and all the rest, who saw visions of the future, were seers, not just prophets. In other words, pertaining to the future, a seer is shown the future, whereas a prophet is told of the future. After these manifestations, when they tell the general public of what they’ve seen (seers) and heard (prophets), we call what they say, a prophecy, and the act of them saying it, prophesying.

    Again, that scripture that dyc4557 quoted:

    6 And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the Lord will make myself known unto him in a vision [angels will come down and minister?], and will speak [emphasis on the prophet hearing the message] unto him in a dream.

    7 My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house.

    8 With him will I speak mouth to mouth [emphasis on the seer hearing a message directly from the Lord?], even apparently, and not in dark speeches [emphasis on there being the additional aspect of sight or seeing something: “not in dark”]; and the similitude of the Lord shall he behold [emphasis on sight or seeing]: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?

    So, prophets hear a message, while seers both see and hear a message. An angel comes down and audibly tells a prophet about the Lord and His things, while the Lord Himself comes down and shows and tells a seer about Himself and His things.

    The visions that a prophet sees, then, are not panoramic visions of the future, but are angelic ministrations through visitations, whether through day visions or night visions (dreams.) Or, a prophet might hear the word of the Lord by the voice of the Lord speaking out of the heavens, or by the whisperings of the Holy Ghost (dark speeches, or speeches without corresponding visual displays.)

    It seems like this corresponds to plasma modes: dark, arc and glow; dark being when just a voice is heard or the Spirit whispers intelligence into the brain, arc being when angels are involved, and glow when panoramic visions and the presence of the Lord Himself is involved.

    The seer, then, is greater than a prophet and a revelator because he has the capacity to operate in glow mode, as well as in arc and dark modes. The prophet operates in arc mode, while the revelator operates in dark mode.

  11. I have a tendency to always want to cut to the chase or have it all summed up but even more to seek the ideal and eternal mode of being. I see all things in this sphere as temporary. Well not if they are eternal beings and eternal relationships. But the state which Paul says, Now we see through a glass darkly but then…” Yeah i want to pick up and incorporate what will be the standard mode of living in the eternal worlds. So I see it this way.
    Oh and by the way the dark arc and glow talks to me in this revelation receiving facet.
    Hearing is without sight and therefore corresponds to ‘dark” mode. But so is just knowing a thing. But there is no lesser here. In this sphere we think of and the Lord speaks in the terms of Moses and seers being “greater” gifts. Only great when viewed from this life. If I know something then in the perfected state I can see it also as if it was already an existing entity. And that is the point God sees all his creation and I think that is future as well as past.
    Nothing I will ever see or think in this life will be new to the universe. It has been thought of and therefore already exists. I may not be partaking of it yet but it “is” already come into being.
    My progress is to move into that state of being where I perceive all things or comprehend all things. Then I as well as everyone else who is the run of the mill God will “see” all things. The light will be shining from my mind and allowing me to see the thing. So there is no “dark” mode in the celestial worlds. Maybe that is why they are referred to as living in eternal burnings. and it is mentioned that there is no night there.
    I don’t know just rambling.
    But I do hold to the idea that superior levels of revelation only are relative to living in this sphere.

  12. Yes that is what we have to remember….when the Lord talks of Moses as being “Faithful in all my house” he is saying “faithful in all his head”. And that’s why ALL the various modes of revelation were available to him. This is what was being shown me as I typed this post. About the house of the Lord. And how we can learn to be faithful in all of it.
    DyC4557 touched on an important aspect which the next part in this series deals with. If we are serious about progressing in our revelatory capabilities then it is of no use to us at this point to obsess over one form or another as the end all to be all. That only show to The Master that were not all that serious. Kind of like if I want to learn a marital art….but all I keep asking about and focusing on is certain advanced kicks and moves which require more training. The art is a whole and living thing….but we have been blessed with TIME to focus on one aspect at a time. Otherwise we would remain forever stumped unable to advance, since the developing aspect of ourselves would not find itself capable of TAKING IT ALL IN AT ONCE. Ironically, the looseness and fluidity which overall translates to a solid and immovable base, will never come to us immediately in its entirety unless necessary and unless we learn to be teachable. One of the biggest impediments we face is our placing one thing above another and doing what the scripture tell us not to by esteeming other items “as [a] thing(s) of naught.”

  13. Elder Chantdown wrote:

    Our spiritual sight is not limited to the same range as our physical eyesight is. But it is interesting to think of Joseph Smith’s seership. First of all…why exactly did he retire to a grove of trees? He had no doubt prayed many times before and had at very least habitually asked God (for) things in the past….Daily bread and whatnot.

    Joseph Smith wrote of his First Vision:

    It was the first time in my life that I had made such an attempt, for amidst all my anxieties I had never as yet made the attempt to pray dvocally. (JS-H 1:14)

    It seems to me, based on what I’ve read in the Joseph Smith Papers, etc., that prior to the First Vision, Joseph had been praying to God in his heart, apparently quite often or even continually. So, he had inadvertently “prepped” himself for the manifestation.

  14. Also — he put some fore-thought into where he’d go to pray:

    after I had retired
    to the place where
    I had previously designed to go

    having looked around me
    and finding myself alone
    I kneeled down
    and began to offer up
    the desires of my heart
    to god

    [JS-H 1:15]

    He “saw” something in that particular grove of trees that “spoke” to him — and by faith [not knowing beforehand the reason he should choose that grove] he decided before going that that would be the area he’d go to attempt his first audible prayer.

  15. Thats what Im saying….there is a lot that our subconscious senses are telling us. He had been prepping himself. And he almost concsiously expected that something would be different as he said a PERSONAL prayer for the first time outloud. OUTLOUD. (Im sure he probably said grace over food before) He knew he was Evoking God…Otherwise he could have just as easily “Asked of God” in the way he had hitherto done. It was subconscious but emerging to the conscious because it was pre-meditated. I was also wondering outloud about his positioning during the vision…but I since was reminded that he came to on his back when it was closed.

  16. I was also wondering outloud about his positioning during the vision…but I since was reminded that he came to on his back when it was closed.

    I remember BiV wrote a post a long while back that I really enjoyed [Mother Eve was a large woman].

    She quotes from a vision Joseph called down in the presence of some of the early members:

    Early Church member Zebedee Coltrin tells a story about an experience he had with the Prophet Joseph while traveling to a conference in New Portage, Ohio. At one point, Joseph, with a far off look in his eyes, took Brother Coltrin and Oliver Cowdery by the arms and set out on a stroll.

    Coming to a scenic spot, Joseph suggested, “Let us pray.” After each prayed in turn they lay down on their backs, the two men leaning against Joseph’s outstretched arms. “Now brethren, we will see some visions,” Joseph promised.

    “The heavens gradually opened, and they saw a golden throne, on a circular foundation, something like a light house, and on the throne were two aged personages, having white hair, and clothed in white garments. They were the two most beautiful and perfect specimens of mankind he ever saw. Joseph said, “They are our first parents, Adam and Eve.” Adam was a large, broad-shouldered man, and Eve as a woman, was as large in proportion.”

    Perhaps on the back is more conducive?

Comments RSS

Leave a Reply

Please log in using one of these methods to post your comment: Logo

You are commenting using your account. Log Out /  Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out /  Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out /  Change )

Connecting to %s