From Babylon to Zion, The road ahead


I want to introduce to you a concept that applies to Zion and Babylon today.

When I was younger I read a science fiction story about how an advanced group of aliens had constructed a building which could not be destroyed, you couldn’t even mar the surface of the walls. The earth people finally figured out the surface of the building had been placed in a different dimension so it could never be touched by drills, lasers, explosives etc. Fascinating but impossible you say. But as you will see it is possible.

The current teachings of the LDS church regarding Zion, Babylon and the gathering to Zion is readily available on the LDS website. Just navigate to “Search Gospel Library” and type in Zion, Babylon or gathering and the following concepts will come up.

We hear this in church, “Brothers and sister I would like us to consider and ask ourselves What is Zion?” How many times have we heard a question like that and then we’re given the answer, “Yes that’s right, Zion is the pure in heart.” We are taught the righteous people of the church constitute Zion. We are taught that Zion is here among us today. We are told, “Please note: Zion is people; Zion is the Saints of God; Zion is those who have been baptized; Zion is those who received the Holy Ghost; Zion is those who keep the commandments; Zion is the righteous; or in other words, as our revelation recites, “This is Zion—the pure in heart.” (D&C 97:21.) (Bruce R. McConkie Liahona Sep. 1977)

One key facet about Zion is the gathering to it. Without a gathering there is no Zion. In the LDS church we are told that the gathering to Zion is two fold spiritual and physical. That it is a spiritual gathering when people join the LDS church. And the physical gathering is when they gather to the stakes and districts of the church. And we are told,
“The physical gathering of Israel will not be complete until the second coming of the Savior (see Joseph Smith—Matthew 1:37). Then the Lord’s promise will be fulfilled.” (Gospel Principles Chapter 42)

The problem is the question “What is Zion?” is messed up and messes with our minds. It presupposes something which is not true. It is like saying have you stopped beating your wife? It supposes that Zion is, that it exists today. But Zion does not exist upon the earth today. The real answer to “What is Zion?” is that “Zion is not!”

Now regarding Babylon we are being taught “Babylon the symbol of decadent societies and spiritual bondage” and “Of course, there is no particular city today which personifies Babylon. We see Babylon in our cities; we see Babylon in our communities; we see Babylon everywhere.” and this “Babylon, a city that really did exist historically, is also a symbol.” And I must add this incredible (literally) quote, “We have to create Zion in the midst of Babylon.”

So we are being taught and have been taught for many years that Zion is among us; that it exists as a spiritual entity and its physical portion is the LDS church. We are taught it is flourishing. Babylon we are taught is a spiritual entity. We see it all around us, yet it is not a physical city or nation today.

LDS scholars (and other bible scholars) have identified 6 Babylonian kingdoms of the past. We know from scriptures that there will be a total of 8 Babylonian kingdoms. The ancient prophets adopted the term Babylon to refer to each of these kingdoms even though in the past there was actually a Babylonian kingdom in Egypt, Babylon, Persia, Rome etc. Yet the learned men of latter-day “Zion” don’t seem to believe Satan has a physical kingdom now days.

But this is all wrong.

By viewing Zion and Babylon in this way something horrible has happened. Since Zion does not exist by believing it does exist we have no need to seek to bring it about, it is already here. It is like a man being told he is free, that what he is experiencing is freedom. But if in fact he is in bondage then the false idea that he is free will prevent him from seeking freedom.

And if we believe that Babylon is a spiritual entity we will never identify the physical Babylon nor see the chains that this physical entity has on us.

You see it is possible to place things in another dimension. Zion which is only spiritual today has been placed as physical thus preventing the need to establish it. Today’s Babylon which actually is physical has been placed in the spiritual realm thus protecting it from detection. This allows Babylon to carry on Satan’s work and there is none to molest or make afraid.

Can we identify today’s Babylon?

Yes we can. It is real and real close. All Babylonian kingdoms have significant traits in common, traits which must be present for Satan to accomplish his designs. All the Babylonian empires were the super powers of their day. If another nation were more powerful Satan could not control the people in that nation. In their prime no other nation could overpower the Babylonian empires of the past.

All Babylonian empires of the past used their military might to enforce their will on other nations. They each had a constant large standing army in order to carry out this objective. They didn’t need to always destroy a nation so long as they could control it.
Rome was very notable and successful in this regard. The nation Jesus was born into was still a nation, but its head of government was controlled by Rome.

What government in our day has these traits? Which government is the super power today? Which government goes around removing the leaders of a nation and replacing them with one of their own liking and then leaves a large contingent of soldiers just like ancient Rome. Which government has a more powerful military than any other? Which mighty gentile nation cannot be overpowered by any other nation? Which government operates Under Satan’s Authority (hint-hint)?

Today’s USA is the physical Babylon of our day. It is weak in comparison to past Babylonian kingdoms. This was prophesied by John the revelator and Daniel. It must garner UN and public opinion support which its media creates to move forward the policies Satan desires in our world today. But it is presently and has been for years the most powerful military in the world. If you know about the world wide secret combinations Moroni tells us about then you know they have their headquarters in New York City. They are the power behind the government pushing forward the plan of their founder Satan.

Don’t bother accusing me of being a conspiracy theorist, I am not. Moroni testified a secret combination which seeks the overthrow of liberty of all people (so it is worldwide) will exist among us (Ether 8). I happen to know what is written in the Book of Mormon is fact not theory. Hence I do not believe a theory. I know a fact.

So the USA is Babylon 7. But there will be another Babylon number 8. I know that most of you living in the USA believe she will never be overpowered and brought into captivity by another nation. We are told that in Ether 2:12 aren’t we?

Uh,…no we are not. The Lord’s decree regarding this land choice above all others is in Ether 2 8-10:

8 And he had sworn in his wrath unto the brother of Jared, that whoso should possess this land of promise, from that time henceforth and forever, should serve him, the true and only God, or they should be swept off when the fulness of his wrath should come upon them.
9 And now, we can behold the decrees of God concerning this land, that it is a land of promise; and whatsoever nation shall possess it shall serve God, or they shall be swept off when the fulness of his wrath shall come upon them. And the fulness of his wrath cometh upon them when they are ripened in iniquity.
10 For behold, this is a land which is choice above all other lands; wherefore he that doth possess it shall serve God or shall be swept off; for it is the everlasting decree of God. And it is not until the fulness of iniquity among the children of the land, that they are swept off.
11 And this cometh unto you, O ye Gentiles, that ye may know the decrees of God—that ye may repent, and not continue in your iniquities until the fulness come, that ye may not bring down the fulness of the wrath of God upon you as the inhabitants of the land have hitherto done.

Would you like to count the number of times the words “swept off” are used in those verses? Verse 12 says that if the people of USA do not serve Jesus Christ they will be swept off. I do not believe the people of the USA are serving Jesus Christ. In fact I would have to say I know they are not. Hence I know they will be swept off. Jesus prophesied this in 3 Nephi 21.

This is what I believe the LDS are not mentally or spiritually prepared for. When they see the US fall and none of the supposed divine protection in sight they will stop waiting on the Lord. They will think it is all a farce.

It will certainly be at complete odds with the words of their leaders. Here is what we have been taught:

“Our Article of Faith says that “We believe … in the restoration of the Ten Tribes.” This is in the future. It will occur when the Lord brings again Zion, according to the promises. Our Article of Faith says “the Zion (the new Jerusalem) will be built upon this [the American] continent.” This also is future and will occur after the Lord’s people have gained strength and influence and power in all the nations whither he hath scattered them. (Bruce R. McConkie Liahona Sep. 1977)

So according to this Zion will be established when the LDS get so strong in the nations and have influence to…to…to do what? In D&C 45 verses 67 to 75 the Lord explains Zion will be a nation unto herself and the wicked will not be able to go up against it. Do we think that the members of the church will get so strong and influential that they will be allowed to build a separate government within the borders of the USA? This is what we have been taught.

What and where will Zion be?

Zion will be a physical place. It will be a place of gathering for believers in Christ from all over the world. It will be a place of refuge where we do not have to bow to Babylon’s laws and are safe from Satan’s enslavement by unrighteous decrees. It will be its own nation and have its own laws. This last fact alone should tell us that Zion does not now exist upon the earth.

Now regarding the real Zion Jesus said in D&C 58: 1

“ 1 Hearken, O ye elders of my church, saith the Lord your God, who have assembled yourselves together, according to my commandments, in this land, which is the land of Missouri, which is the land which I have appointed and consecrated for the gathering of the saints.
2 Wherefore, this is the land of promise, and the place for the city of Zion.”

And regarding the gathering He said in D&C 101: 20:

“20 And, behold, there is none other place appointed than that which I have appointed; neither shall there be any other place appointed than that which I have appointed, for the work of the gathering of my saints”

I wonder which of the brethren has the responsibility to explain to Jesus Christ the change in policy? I’m glad it isn’t me. But I will have to explain to Him why I believed a Sunday school teacher or manual or even the words of an apostle if they were in direct conflict with His own voice as recorded in the D&C and the Book of Mormon.

And as we consider the notion that this gathering and building of physical Zion will happen when Jesus comes, or in other words after or at the same time of His second coming please take these words of Christ in to account. Jesus said in D&C 49: 24-25:

24 But before the great day of the Lord shall come, Jacob shall flourish in the wilderness, and the Lamanites shall blossom as the rose.
25 Zion shall flourish upon the hills and rejoice upon the mountains, and shall be assembled together unto the place which I have appointed.

I do not buy for a second that “flourish upon the hills and rejoice upon the mountains” refers to the church being in Utah because the next phrase, “assembled together unto the place which I have appointed” refers to Jackson County, MO and no place else.

Now since Zion will be established and flourishing before the Lord comes and it is a place where Jesus will personally come then there must be a cleansing first just as in the Book of Mormon. Which is to say that the cleansing will come first to the USA and the American continents and it will spread like a fire to the rest of the world. Most people read what is in Revelations and think the destruction of the wicked will come as the Lord appears. Not so it will start years before hand. And it will start in earnest upon the hypocrites within the LDS church in the USA. (D&C 112:24-26)

Brigham Young said before Zion would be built up the land of western Missouri would be left desolate of all it inhabitants. I would not be surprised if Babylon 8 uses a few nukes placed in the heartland, in the fly over country of the US so as not to mess with the boss’s house in NYC or the delightful things they love on the west coast (Hollywood, Bohemian grove etc).

All it would take is a few nukes right around KC, Missouri and everyone would stay away for years. Because very few people realize that after 2 weeks fallout is not a problem. I think Satan will love to push the people to his death camps and so no one would think to go back to Jackson County area. But what a perfect cover for the gathering to begin. So even though you may hear there is nothing but death and disease there, if you hear some one claiming to be Joseph Smith is leading others to go there, think twice before you dismiss it out of hand.

The destruction of Babylon 7 is spoken of in Isaiah 10. Verses 1 to 6 talk about the destruction of the USA by Babylon 8. Then verses 7 to 19 talk about the King of Assyria or Babylon 8 who is an axe in the Lord’s hands to destroy the mighty gentile nation. This is why Jesus talking to Lehi’s seed says He will destroy the gentile nation.

Then verses 20 to 27 the Lord speaks comfort unto the remnant who are escaped of the house of Jacob. The Lord says:

24 Therefore thus saith the Lord God of hosts, O my people that dwellest in Zion, be not afraid of the Assyrian: he shall smite thee with a rod, and shall lift up his staff against thee, after the manner of Egypt.
25 For yet a very little while, and the indignation shall cease, and mine anger in their destruction.

As you read the words of Jesus in 3 Nephi chapters 16 to 22 you will see these concepts stated by the Lord. And by applying what has been written here you can understand the words better.

In Revelations it is said that Babylon the 8th will rule only for 3 ½ years. This seems to be exactly what the lord is talking about when he says that He hides His face for a very little while in this and other scriptures.

What happens during the 3 1/2 years is the beginning of the actual gathering and establishing of Zion. After that Babylon the 8th tries to destroy Zion. But this battle will be fought by the power of God. Guess who wins.

I am not going to take any more of your time right now. But if you think about these principles:
That Zion does not exist, that there is only one gathering place which will not change
That the people of the LDS will become so corrupt that there will a great cleansing
That the gathering to Zion will not begin till after the USA government ceases to exist
That the USA will be invaded by Babylon 8 and they will rule for only 3 ½ years
That during this reign Zion will begin to be established
That Babylon 8 will then attack Zion and the power of God will fight the battle
Then the meek of the earth will gather to Zion and what is said in D&C 45:67-75 will then be fulfilled

Now what can you do? I suggest you read about the things here in LDS Anarchist blog and start seeing how you need to be free of every thing beneath the Celestial world. God only should be your lawgiver. Set up your tribe. Prepare them to understand that they need to get free of Babylon and flee Babylon. God has always had His people prosper rapidly by living from the abundance of the land. Produce you grow is non taxable. The land brings forth 60 to 100 fold. Even if everything you plant is destroyed, your experience and knowledge of how to prosper from the land can not be destroyed.

If nothing else just knowing what is coming can direct you to ask God the right questions.

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12 Comments

  1. I suggest you read about the things here in LDS Anarchist blog and start seeing how you need to be free of every thing beneath the Celestial world. God only should be your lawgiver.

    Every tradition of men that can be removed only serves to make the saints stronger for this day.

    Set up your tribe. Prepare them…

    The Spirit has been strong on my heart in regards to this. Setting up your tribal functions is such an integral thing for saints to do during the next year.

  2. Great post. I disagree about the nukes. I think that same thing could be fulfilled by buying up all the land. Of course to build Zion the land would have to be cleared of all structures. This would leave the land desolate, but that’s just my opinion. I wonder in Babylon 8 in a strange twist of fate would come from the same place as Babylon 1.

    There must be something to this message because I posted on a similar topic on my blog.

  3. Yes I was reading it and it gave me an idea. The nukes may not be there. the parable in D&C 101 you talked about. Those going to establish redeem Zion must throw down the towers of the enemy.
    Okay think about this time line:
    Conference center falls Oct 2012
    Mitt Romney elected in Nov 2012 seen as the strong and mighty one by clueless LDS
    Leads move to set up Zion with governmental influence just as McConkie said
    But what is set up is the counterfeit just as today nation of Israel is a fake set up by evil
    So when the real servant comes with the strength of the Lord’s house they must clear the land of all its inhabitants this scorched earth policy always had a nit of a hitch if the people that were there were just non members it has to be people ripened in iniquity and truly worth of none left alive this can only be apostate LDS who have become truly bad.
    Just thoughts that might add another piece to the puzzle.

  4. OWIW, zo-ma-rah and now you have all recently brought up that D&C 101 parable. Maybe I’ll jump on the bandwagon and take a crack at it, too. I’m not one to follow the latest fads, but it might be fun.

  5. Something you guys might want to look into is some of the stuff associated (indirectly) with the “White Horse Prophecy” often attributed to Joseph Smith. It is quite possibly the source of a popular refrain from GA’s in the distant past, and the near present as well. The refrain in question being “The constitution of the United States shall hang, as if by a thread.” (before being rescued by the brethren of the Church — but make no mistake, the standing Government of the US will have essentially fallen at this point, the impression I get is that brethren essentially step in and start filling the power void, using the Constitution as their guide.)

    If you adhere to it’s outline, at about the same time, the United States will find itself entangled in a conflict of such a nature that 1/3rd of the military will simply quit and go home. As a result of this event, as I recall, the “rest of world” (save for possibly Britain which allegedly has its own special role to play in things) is supposed to go “The United States is weak, let us go make war upon them” and doing exactly that.

    Other incidental prophecy involving the last days from another GA of the early years even mentioned him having a dream of being present in the last days and having to make a choice between a bar of gold, or a cat. He left with the cat, the reason he gave was because he could eat the cat. (Perhaps a commentary that could be applied to our current market in regards to Gold Securities, which looks a lot like a bubble to me)

    Things that could trigger something like that in the present day:
    Step 1) Highly partisan leadership present in a position of authority that is widly popular on the international scene.
    Step 2) A highly partisan election cycle where the authority figure(namely the Executive Branch) loses, likely by a narrow margin, and refuses to surrender their position of authority.
    Step 3) Hello Civil War. Which could trigger a large scale military desertion(like, 1/3rd of the military “quitting”) depending on which side manages to get, and maintain, control of the military. With a decent chance of outside powers being more than happy to support the incumbent(and now illegally maintaining office) president. Likewise, something like that happening in the US could cause massive economic disruption even without any shots being fired.

    With steps 1 and 2, it doesn’t help that the most popular Presidents we’ve had internationally in the last 20 years have been Democrats, and that the Military has historically been overwhelmingly conservative which means they skew Republican. And it really doesn’t help that Obama is seeming to do a bang-up job of being very partisan in his domestic dealings.

    If you REALLY want to get apocalyptic with regards to the current situation. Revelation 13:1-2 can give you a field day(unless you’re a “birther”). You get a US President born in Hawaii(from the sea) though the rest of the first verse is a wash to my knowledge at this time. The second verse picks up again however, as he is of Kenyan descent(could be referenced as a Cheetah–many of the world’s fastest runners have been Kenyans/Kenyan descended), he was raised with numerous ties to Marxists and Communists if you go along with what Glenn Beck has been digging up. Russia(often represented by a bear) in recent history, particularly in Obama’s formative years, has had a lot to do with Communisim and Marxisim. The Lion is also typically associated with England, Obama has both English lineage, and a Law Degree from Harvard Law School to give you the mouth of a Lion.

    Going into the 3rd verse could very well be discussing social upheavals occurring within the US during some of this. Maybe a failed assassination attempt on him? Going by the 42 months mentioned, I’d almost say either 6 months after the November elections, or the new congress being sworn in. Public opinion working how it does, it would likely swing things strongly in his direction if they could prove a “conservative” of some flavor was to blame.

    But that is way more than enough adventuring into wacky-land. What matches makes for an interesting “what if?” game at the moment, but I’m not personally ready to start calling Obama a pre-cursor to the anti-Christ just yet. Regardless, the next several years are likely to be very interesting in the Chinese curse sense of things.

  6. The nukes scenario would of course not be of God but of man. Last time I checked man doesn’t give a second thought to who he hurts in getting gain. Matter of fact Secret Combinations will often consider the bigger the scope the better for their “shock and awe” tactics. Although I have often wondered at the implications of the mournful Nephites just before Christ’s visit who said “O that WE had repented before this great and terrible day.”
    But the most interesting thing that Zo-ma-rah brings up is that the parable talks of avenging The Lord of His enemies, destroying their fake towers and removing them from the designated area. What does this mean for us now? Even if the future unfolding of these events can be a bit confusing to us now. We all can know through the Holy Spirit that which we need to be doing right now. And upon that we seem to be in total agreement.
    As far as The Beast goes, I think that looking for it in public officials will always be more or less of a distraction since the beast is made from, by and of US. But as far as where Revelation dovetails with Daniel, dovetails with D&C we can glean some very pertainent information. Joseph Smith said he intended to “lay a foundation” that would “revolutionize the whole world.” And this was said not too long before his death. The deadly wound inflicted on The Beast never could come from anywhere but God. And it was not the American Revolution, rather the Restoration and specifically the establishment of the Council of Fifty. Sadly the LDS Church has been the one to nurse The Beast back to health and heal its mortal wounds. They have done this through all the things which are openly discussed here but which spark witch hunts within the wards and stakes of the church. Things like the rubber stamp procedure that replaces the law of common consent
    https://ldsanarchy.wordpress.com/2007/10/10/is-our-procedure-for-sustaining-a-rubber-stamp/
    The perversion of the law of tithes, not to mention the secrecy and misuse of funds.
    https://ldsanarchy.wordpress.com/2007/10/20/the-law-of-tithing-part-1/
    http://truthmarche.wordpress.com/2010/10/04/church-finance-part-i/
    The spiritualization of the physical and visa versa through correlation as detailed here:
    http://bycommonconsent.com/2010/03/03/correlation-an-uncorrelated-history-part-1-the-mormon-underground/
    and in this very post. (From Babylon to Zion; The Road Ahead)
    And that is only the tip of the iceberg.

  7. I can never put all my thoughts in a post but I want to add something to this one. As you read in 3 Nephi chapters 16, 17 20, 21 and 22 you hear the Lord cover the same event several times. He speaks of destruction upon the gentile nation from various view points. For example from the gentile view, and from the view of the remnant of Lehi’s seed.
    There is a principle here that can educate us to who the destructions come upon and why.
    In Genesis 15 the Lord talks to Abram and explains that his seed would in the future inherit the land. But that at the time He was talking the iniquity of the people was not yet full. It was more than 400 year from that time before it was time for these people to be destroyed. Without doubt they had prophets come among them and they rejected those prophets until they were ripe and then were swept off. This is spoken of by Nephi in the book of Mormon also (1 Ne 17:35).
    The gentile of the USA have had more of the gospel preached to them than any other nation in latter times. Those that have the gospel (members) and then sin against it have the curse of destruction promised to them. That is why this destruction comes.

  8. As we draw so near to these great judgements befalling us , it brings me Great Peace & Comfort to read an article like this. It causes me to not feel alone in my assesment of things which is really none of our assestments, but the Lord’s.

    But it does require seeing & understanding the Lord’s assesment so as to not be caught unawares.

    The observations you make are truly comforting knowing the Lord always provides an Out for those seeking God.

    My Gosh ! How Close we ARE to Prophecy unfolding at a blinding pace being initiated upon ” The Lord’s Day “. And the preliminary unraveling of our Nation.

    Next year looks to be the year things become very dangerous & not mearly uncomfortable, as it is now.

    Thank you for the time you put in to putting this piece together. As far as I’m concerned, ZION is the premier reason for our being here on the Earth at this time and each new day of sinking toward the Abyis has me feeling calmer & calmer.

    Christ is the focus of my heart & who I want to be like and Zion is the focus of something God has embedded in my heart and is something I pray for everyday and have been, for many years.

    REGARLESS of how temporally prepared a person is in terms of food storage Ect…The coming trials are going to require Faith & Miracles that cause the Parting of the Red Sea to seem pale in comparison.

    I have always had Very Little Faith in my own person but I have honestly struggled to be what God wants me to be. And one thing I have Absolute Faith in, is Heavenly Father’s willingness to give those who have really tried…A break when it is most needed.

    And as little faith as I have had in my being as weak as I am, I have a dirrect proportionate PERFECT Faith in God’s ability to make impossible things become reality.

    It’s the only thing to have brought me as far as I’ve managed to come in my life thus far.

    Your article gives me the hope & courage to face All Odds this crazy World is about to throw at us. Just knowing the TRUTH is half the battle. The other half is Faith in God.

    Thanks again for all the thought and work that was put into such a valuble synopsis of where we stand and where we need to be and God taking us there.

  9. As far as a plausible senerio of unfolding judgements go, I’ve envisioned a paradigm that has not taken a different shape in about the past 15 years. And the ideas I forcasted for myself thus far, have been remarkably close to reality.

    It has also conformed to the time line of degeneration I speculated on and the relative extent of it’s progress.

    I’ve never had a tallent other than a mean fast ball, that I would call a tallent. But I seem to be fairly astute to the Winds of Change.

    Even back in the mid 90’s, I would talk to my family of things that I felt would begin developing on a recognizable scale in the year 2008 and felt that ALL would be said & done by the end of 2015.

    I was put off not only by them, but every member I attempted to share insights with.

    It’s funny that my family and a few of these other people, are now picking my head for scraps of wisdom.

    I certainly don’t claim to be Prophetic but it is more like someone who has a tallent for reading Stock Market trends. It’s something… that when I come up with enough factual input to draw a conclusion…BAM…It just feels like Home…

    7 years out, I was able to pinpoint the FALL drop in the Market in 2008 on the Jewish New Year. Next year feels like the time Joseph Smith & Brigham and a few others described, as being the time things completely fall apart in our Nation.

    I feel the transition period from one President to the next in our next election, will be a time when our National Security & Vulnerabilty will make us sitting ducks for Russia to capitalize on a long term Dream & Ambition of that Government and fulfill the Opening Moments of the ” Lord’s Day of Wrath “.

    And if ideolouge reasoning is consistent in this instance, as it has proven many times in the past…Russia would smack us in the middle of the night on Christmas Morning durring our most Sacred Holiday representing the Very Thing a Godless Government is repulsed by.

    The Arabs have done it to the Jews, as have many Jewish enimies of her past, on THEIR most Sacred Holy Day…Yom Kippur…

    And within a short time before this happens, the Lord must sweep His House & then extend a Warning to the World that Judgement is Nigh.

    And the preliminary gathering will take place in places of temporary refuge…I suspect amid the 26 Ranches owned by the Church, World Wide.

    This of course would transpire under New Management…

    I get the sneaking suspicion that JUST as the World Shadow Government is Now exposing it’s face in Plain View, you can expect something Very Unusal to Reveal itself among our Leaders in the Church on a Very Special Designated Day.

    And I’m going to guess that Day to occure on Conference weekend in the Spring of 2012.

    And if I’m slightly off the mark in that assesment, then it can occure No Later than the Fall Conference of that Year.

    Whether it be the Sping or Fall of that year, look for a surprise visit from a False Saviour to grace one of our Temples…Someone Very Familar & Loved by the members. I suspect it will be the Navoo Temple. A Special Temple that was RESURECTED ” BETWEEN THE SEAS” and PREPARED ahead of time, by the coming False Lord who has Temporarily departed us.

    And the Vast Majority of members will buy this sharade as fulfilling Scripture ( And The Lord Suddenly Appears in His Temple )…..Hook Line & Sinker.

    Next Year… Hell is coming. The Following year…Hell will have ARRIVED !

    Just a thought…But I’ve been Batt’n close to a thousand on these things for the past 15 years & my Family & friends are no longer laughing at me. They still are not convinced, but they aren’t Laughing anymore.

    I hope I’m right because it will mean we will Finally have the opportunity to do what we were sent here to do….Go & Build Zion & Gather our Bothers & Sisters Home…That sounds better than trying to figure out where to find a 100 bucks for a loaf of bread…

    If a person is undecided or clueless to coming specific events described in the Scriptures, then the safest Sure Bet, is to do JUST THE OPPOSITE of the majority of members in ANY important Single Decision that will HAVE to be made.

  10. you all sound crazy

  11. Thanks

  12. U r f-ckin nuts. Go out and live a life without this religion crap. Give it a try. U can always go back


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