Our Living Hollow Earth

Our Living Hollow Earth

by Rodney M. Cluff
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The Aurora Australis Over Antarctica

For centuries, people have referred to our earth, the planet upon which we live, as “mother earth.”

In nature, seeds germinate in fertile soil to become giant trees, crops of our fields, or the humble grass we walk on. We don’t even think about the air we breath, but we couldn’t live without it. The soil and waters of earth grow the food we eat. The gravity of earth holds our feet firmly on the ground. Without the gravity of our mother earth, we would float out into outer space and be lost. Our lives depend entirely upon the fortitude of our mother earth. From space, earth appears as a beautiful jewel shining in the light of the sun. Our lives depend so much on mother earth that most of the time we take her for granted, but some people even worship her.

It would seem that mother earth indeed is the source of all life upon it. Seeds germinate in its soil, fish lay their eggs in the sea and hatch to fill the oceans with life. Our very own bodies are made from mother earth — made from the minerals taken up in the plants that we eat. And when we die, our bodies disintegrate into soil once more to provide the fertilizer for yet another life to begin its life’s journey in the light of the sun. Yet science has utterly been unable to generate life from lifelessness. It seems to be an indisputable law of the universe that only life can beget life. Therefore, it is a logical assumption that our earth must be alive in order for it to beget life on and within it.

Indeed, God’s revealed word to man indicates that our earth is alive. It appears that God would have us know that our earth upon which we live is actually a living being. This is not a new idea. The indigenous people of many lands believe to this day that the earth is alive. For example, the American Indian treat the earth with great respect because they believe it is alive.

Is there any scriptural or scientific evidence that would indicate that our earth is alive? Believe it or not, there is an abundance of this evidence. Not that the earth should be worshiped like many ancient peoples apparently did when they worshiped the earth, the sun, the moon and stars. But at least, this knowledge should generate within us a deep respect for the planet upon which we live which provides us our home in the vastness of space.

The scriptures do indicate that our “mother” earth is alive. In the scriptures, we find that the Earth has many characteristics of a living being. It has a mouth, a womb, a heart, a navel, with openings into it’s interior, breathes, and can even “speak” as an intelligent being. Indeed, the scriptures when describing the earth, describe a hollow planet with polar openings and an interior sun with people living throughout its entirety — on its outer surface, within it’s shell, on it’s inner surface and within the interior sun.

Earth’s Premortal Existence

As all living beings, the earth was “born” spiritually first, and then came into existence physically second. It acknowledges the existence of its creator, God, and “obeys” God’s celestial law. As a righteous living being, the Earth underwent a baptism of immersion in water at the time of Noah’s flood. At the beginning of the millennial reign of Jesus Christ upon the Earth, it will undergo a baptism of fire, and at the end of it’s temporal existence, the earth will “die” and be brought forth in it’s resurrected form as a celestial kingdom to be inhabited in the eternities by those of its inhabitants worthy of a celestial glory.

All life had it’s genesis with God. Jesus Christ is the creator of heaven and earth — the Great “I Am,” who revealed himself to Moses. And all living things were created first spiritually before they were created temporally upon the earth.

In Genesis 2:5, we learn that “every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew” were created first spiritually before they were created physically upon the earth.
This was clarified in Joseph Smith’s re translation of the Book of Moses: “For I, the Lord God, created all things, of which I have spoken, spiritually, before they were naturally upon the face of the earth. For I, the Lord God, had not caused it to rain upon the face of the earth. And I, the Lord God, had created all the children of men; and not yet a man to till the ground; for in heaven created I them; and there was not yet flesh upon the earth, neither in the water, neither in the air;” (Pearl of Great Price, Moses 3:5)

All living beings, including the earth, have a spirit body, as well as a physical body. Jesus Christ revealed to the prophet Joseph Smith, “that which is spiritual being in the likeness of that which is temporal; and that which is temporal in the likeness of that which is spiritual; the spirit of man in the likeness of his person, as also the spirit of the beast, and every other creature which God has created.” (Doctrine & Covenants 77:2) It is the spirit within each living being that gives it life. When that spirit leaves the physical body at death, then that body becomes life-less.

From this we learn that within our bodies, we have a spirit that looks like us, but is made of a “spiritual” substance. To the prophet Joseph Smith, it was revealed that, “There is no such thing as immaterial matter. All spirit is matter, but it is more fine or pure, and can only be discerned by purer eyes; We cannot see it; but when our bodies are purified we shall see that it is all matter.” (D&C 131:7-8)

What’s more, it is evident from the scriptures that the spirit of every living thing had parents in Heaven that gave it life. Concerning our heavenly parents, the scripture states, referring to Our Father in Heaven, “Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?” (Hebrew 12:9) And Christ told his disciples to pray to “Our Father which art in heaven…” in which Christ is telling us that we all have a father in heaven — the father of our spirit bodies, and if we have a father, we also, of course, have a mother in heaven, — for wherever was there a father without a mother?

Even so, if our earth is a living entity, it must also have a spirit that gives it life. Indeed, it is so, for the spirit world of this earth is where the spirits of all men go at death. The Mormon Apostle, Bruce R. McConkie, in his book, MORMON DOCTRINE wrote, “The spirit that enters the body at birth leaves it at death, and immediately finds itself in the spirit world. That world is upon this earth.” (MORMON DOCTRINE, p. 68) Since the spirits of all living entities have the same shape and appearance as their physical bodies, so the earth’s spirit world has the same shape and form as it’s physical body — and is what makes the earth alive.

Joseph Fielding Smith, the great nephew of Joseph Smith, stated that, “This earth is a living body.” (DOCTRINES OF SALVATION, Vol. I p. 72) As a living body, the earth actually obeys God’s commands. It is a mortal being and will die and be resurrected the same as all of us by the power of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. As revealed to the Prophet Joseph Smith, “And again, verily, I say unto you, the earth abideth the law of a celestial kingdom, for it filleth the measure of its creation, and transgresseth not the law. Wherefore, it shall be sanctified; yea, notwithstanding it shall DIE, it shall be quickened again, and shall abide the power by which it is quickened, and the righteous shall inherit it.” (D&C 88:25, 26).

As a living being, our earth has a spirit — it is the spirit world where all men go at death. That spirit world had it’s beginning in heaven as did the spirits of all men. The earth was created spiritually in heaven before being created physically here in our solar system. If the earth’s spirit were created in the presence of God, most likely it was created in His world. God, our Heavenly Father’s planet is a star in the center of our Milky Way Galaxy. The largest stars are located in the center of the galaxy and control all the other stars throughout the galaxy by reason of their great size, mass and central position.

This was revealed by God to Abraham, “And I Abraham, had the Urim and Thummim, which the Lord my God had given unto me, in Ur of the Chaldees; And I saw the stars, that they were very great, and that one of them was NEAREST UNTO THE THRONE OF GOD; and there were many great ones which were near unto it; And the Lord said unto me, by the Urim and Thummim, that Kolob was after the manner of the Lord, according to its times and seasons in the revolutions thereof; that one revolution was a day unto the Lord, after his manner of reckoning, it being one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest. This is the reckoning of the Lord’s time, according to the reckoning of Kolob.” (ABRAHAM, The Pearl of Great Price, 3:1-3) Verse 9 clarifies that it is Kolob that governs our galaxy wherein our earth resides: “And thus there shall be the reckoning of the time of one planet above another, until thou come nigh unto Kolob, which Kolob is after the reckoning of the Lord’s time; which Kolob is set nigh unto the throne of God, to govern all those planets which belong to the same order as that upon which thou standest.”

In the explanation of Facsimile No. 2 in the book of Abraham, Figure 2 says, “Stands next to Kolob, called by the Egyptians, Oliblish, which is the next grand governing creation near to the celestial or the place where God resides…Fig 4…the time of Oliblish, which is equal with Kolob in its revolution and in its measuring of time.”

Therefore, as revealed through Abraham, at the center of our Milky Way Galaxy which is “the same order (in the same galaxy) as that upon which thou standest,” are two stars of gigantic size, in rotation about a common center of gravity — a double star system with the rest of the galaxy rotating about them. Both Kolob and Oliblish are the same size and take 1,000 of our earth years to complete one rotation or day. Oliblish “…is the next grand governing creation near to the celestial or the place where God resides…” and Kolob is the “…nearest unto the throne of God.” Therefore, I conclude that the throne of God is INSIDE Kolob and Kolob is HOLLOW as are all stars and planets. In fact, the stars ARE planets — the planets of the Gods.

Since a hollow planet or star essentially consists of matter in orbit about its central sun, perhaps we could use Kepler’s 3rd Law of Planetary Motion to calculate the size of Kolob. Using Kepler’s 3rd Law of Planetary Motion, we can use the following formula to calculate orbital radii,
R = a planet’s distance from the sun in astronomical units. One AU equals 93,000,000 miles, the average distance from the earth to the sun.
T = the time for a planet to orbit the sun in earth years
V = 1 divided by the square root of R.
Knowing this formula and the time it takes for one revolution of Kolob,
100 AU = 1/10 earth velocity X 1000 years

From this, we can deduce that the distance to Kolob’s outer surface from God inner throne, “…the celestial or the place where God resides…” would be 100 astronomical units, or 9.3 billion miles. That is 2.5 times the distance from the sun to the planet Pluto. The diameter of Kolob and its companion double star then, would be about 18.6 billion miles — plenty of space could be found within its hollow interior for the creation of planets.

Since spirit beings are the offspring of celestial parentage — just as the human race has celestial parents of their spirits, it is logical to assume that the earth’s spirit body would have celestial parentage also — that being the planet of Our Heavenly Father and His Throne in Kolob at the center of our galaxy.

Earth’s Physical Origin and Characteristics

Just as our physical bodies were created on this earth, the Earth’s physical body probably also originated within our own solar system — a best guess would be the planet Uranus.

One of the physical characteristics the scriptures give in describing our planet earth as a living entity, is that it has a “womb” within it, and that our earth is the “mother” of mankind and can actually utter words.
In the Book of Moses, Chapter 7, verse 48, we read, “And it came to pass that Enoch looked upon the earth; and HE HEARD A VOICE FROM THE BOWELS THEREOF, saying: Wo, wo is me, THE MOTHER OF MEN; I am pained, I am weary, because of the wickedness of my children. When shall I rest, and be cleansed from the filthiness which is GONE FORTH OUT OF ME? When will my Creator sanctify me, that I may rest, and righteousness for a season abide UPON MY FACE?” Thus Enoch testified that the earth is an intelligence living entity that he heard speak words.

In recent decades with the mapping of earth’s sea floor, it appears that our “mother” earth is expanding, and even has stretch marks in many places on the ocean floor, and many continents appear that they could have at one time fit together as the scriptures indicate that in the beginning there was but one continent that came up out of the sea, and at the beginning of the millennium that the many continents shall be “returned to their own place” as they were before they were divided.

In Genesis, we read, “And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.” (Genesis 1:9-10)

Even the earth’s oceans shall be driven back into the north countries of our hollow earth where they came from at the time of Noah’s flood, and the many continents and islands will become one continent again in the time of the restitution of all things.

As the Apostle Peter wrote, “Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.” (Acts 3:19-21)

At the beginning of Christ’s millennial reign, “He shall command the great deep, and it shall be driven back into the north countries, and the islands shall become one land; And the land of Jerusalem and the land of Zion shall be turned back into their own place, and the earth shall be like as it was in the days before it was divided.”

The mid-Atlantic ridge was probably where they were divided. It goes from pole to pole paralleling the “everlasting hills” of the Rocky Mountains that joins up with the Andes Mountains that extend even down into Antarctica and on into Inner Earth.

There is a continual series of earthquakes along the mid-Atlantic ridge and around the Pacific “ring of fire” where molten lava emerges pushing the continents apart as the earth expands. Perhaps, when the earth “dies,” after the short period of time after the millennium, the earth will break apart at the mid-Atlantic ridge, and then roll up like a scroll.

After His resurrection, Jesus came to ancient America and spoke of this to the Nephite Nation, “And he did expound all things, even from the beginning until the time that he should come in his glory—yea, even all things which should come upon the face of the earth, even until the elements should melt with fervent heat, and the earth should be wrapt together as a scroll, and the heavens and the earth should pass away;” (3 Nephi 26:3)

The ancient American prophet Mormon wrote, “Know ye not that ye are in the hands of God? Know ye not that he hath all power, and at his great command the earth shall be rolled together as a scroll?” (Mormon 5:23)

If the earth is hollow, then earth’s shell could conceivably break apart down the seam of the mid-Atlantic ridge and then roll up like a scroll at the time the earth dies at the end of the earth’s temporal existence.

The earth also has polar orifices that lead into its interior.

Concerning the north polar orifice, God told the prophet Job, “He stretcheth out the north over the EMPTY PLACE, and hangeth the earth upon nothing…” (Job 26:7,9)

The people that live in that region of the earth, the Eskimo, claim that there is a hole in the Arctic Ocean that leads into the interior of the Earth. They have accounts of Eskimos who have gone into the opening and found cousin Eskimos living within the earth. They believe that the woolly mammoth found frozen in Arctic wastes originated within the earth, perhaps because those that have been there have seen them there wandering around alive.

A Baby Mammoth found frozen in Siberia in 1977

Norwegian fishermen claim to have also gone through this polar opening in the Arctic Ocean into the Hollow Earth where they saw great herds of woolly mammoths, and describe how in winter when the Arctic sun has dipped below the horizon, that within the earth sometimes baby mammoths wander out onto the frozen rivers that empty into the polar opening where they fall into crevasses in the ice and are instantly frozen. Later, when the summer sun shines through the polar orifice, the frozen rivers are thawed out and carry their frozen animals and dump them onto the northern shores of Siberia and Alaska. When these frozen mammoths are opened up, they find undigested green vegetation in their stomachs indicating they were frozen so fast the food was unable to be digested before they froze. The remains of other exotic animals have also been found entombed in arctic ice, such as the woolly rhino, steppe lions, giant deer, mammoth and foxes and a hardy breed of horse — that originate from Inner Earth.

One of the things that God describes in His scriptures that comes “out” of the earth’s womb through polar orifices is the fresh water icebergs found in Arctic and Antarctic waters.

To the prophet Job, God asked, “OUT OF WHOSE WOMB CAME THE ICE? and the hoary frost of heaven, who had gendered it? The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen (icebergs).” (Job 38:29-30)

The ice comes out of earth’s womb through polar orifices. The Norwegian fishermen describe how great rivers dump into the Arctic ocean within the north polar opening, but the river mouths freeze over in the winter. Come summer, they thaw out and the river waters shove the icebergs out into the Arctic Ocean where they cover the entire Arctic basin.

Water vapors also come out of the earth’s womb from the polar orifices.

“When he uttereth his voice, there is a multitude of waters in the heavens; and he causeth THE VAPOURS TO ASCEND FROM THE ENDS OF THE EARTH: he maketh lightnings with rain, and bringeth forth the wind out of his treasures.” (Jeremiah 51:16)

These water vapors condense into ice and snow and fall onto the Greenland and Antarctic icepacks to the awesome depth of three miles in thickness!

Apparently, all planets have “wombs,” which makes for the possibility that planets could be “born” from the “wombs” of larger planets.

Immanuel Velikovsky wrote that, “The Greek authors described the birth of Athene (which became the planet Venus), saying she sprang from the head of Jupiter.” (WORLDS IN COLLISION, p. 175)

If the planet Jupiter is hollow, then the “head” or north polar area would be the logical place for a planet to be “born” or ejected — out of a polar orifice. Such an ejection could be effected by manipulating the electromagnetic fields of the two planets.

A perplexing discovery was made by Apollo astronauts when they brought moon rocks back to earth to be analyzed. Prior to the Apollo moon shots, scientists had assumed that the moon was made out of the same materials as the earth. Yet the rocks brought back from the moon were found to consist of materials very different from those found on earth, containing very dense rare earth materials. Testing also determined that the moon is much older than the earth.

A prominent LDS geologist, Eric N. Skousen, (son of the late famous LDS author, Cleon Skousen) believes this indicates that the moon may have been here first. According to his theory, the moon originally possessed earth’s orbit about the sun BEFORE the earth was placed here, and that the earth was created somewhere else INSIDE another planet in an actual planetary birth process. (See, pp. 92-96, EARTH, IN THE BEGINNING, by Dr. Eric N. Skousen) Dr. Skousen, quotes one of the earlier LDS church leaders, Heber C. Kimball, as asking, “Where did the earth come from?” To which he answered his own question: “From its parent earths.” (November 8, 1857, Journal of Discourses, 6:36)

Dr. Skousen proposes that the earth could have been ejected out of the planet where it was built by the Gods, and then was guided into the orbit in our solar system that the moon had about the sun in close enough proximity that it caused the moon to go into permanent orbit about the earth.


Man’s Physical Origin Within Mother Earth

Our Earth is literally the “mother” of men.

The scriptures indicate where the original Garden of Eden is located — within the earth’s “womb.”

Out of the Garden of Eden flow four rivers that divide the earth into four parts which converge at the “four corners” of the earth — at Eden.

The prophet Isaiah testified that the four corners of the earth, which is Eden, would still exist in the Latter Days. He wrote that in the Latter Days, that the God of Heaven, “…shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS of the earth.” (Isaiah 11:12)

So if earth is the “mother of men” and has a “womb,” then the logical place for the origin of man would be from the earth’s interior. This would mean that the original Garden of Eden must be located, even today inside the earth.

When Enoch heard the earth speak, he heard it say that it was “the mother of men,” and that the children of men came “forth out of me.” (Moses 7:48)

From THE FORGOTTEN BOOKS OF EDEN we read of the manner in which Adam and Eve arrived on the surface of the planet from the Garden of Eden within. In the book of ADAM AND EVE, we find that when Adam and Eve were expelled from the Garden, the Lord commanded them to go into the Cave of Treasures where they wandered for a long time before emerging in their new home on the exterior of the planet. (Chapter III:17, XII)

The sun they saw when they came out of the cave was not the same that gave them light in the Garden of Eden. Chapter XVI says that when Adam came out of the cave, he was afraid of the sun and its extraordinary heat because, “Inasmuch as while he was in the garden and heard the voice of God and the sound He made in the garden, and feared Him, Adam never saw the brilliant light of the sun, neither did the flaming heat thereof touch his body.”

By passing through the earth’s cavern systems from the earth’s “womb” inside to come to the surface, Adam and Eve were “born” into this world by “mother” earth. Their second home on the earth’s surface was near the cavern that brought them here.

Brigham Young taught that, “Joseph, the prophet told me that the Garden of Eden was in Jackson County, Missouri. When Adam was driven out, he went to the place we now call Adam-ondi-Ahman, in Daviess County, Missouri.” (WILFORD WOODRUFF, by Cowley, p. 431) Joseph Smith was right. The Garden of Eden IS in Jackson County, Missouri, but NOT on the surface. It is located 800 miles down — on the inner surface of the earth on the highest mountain plateau of the Inner Continent.

The 16th century Spanish scholar Bernardino de Sahagun recorded in his History of the Things of New Spain that the original settlers of America, the ancestors of the American Indians, came in boats from the East in search of the terrestrial paradise. They settled in Central America near the highest mountains they could find, because they had with them an account that the earthly paradise is a very high mountain. (Ancient America and The Book of Mormon, pp. 31, 156.)

Since Christian explorers, among them Christopher Columbus, have sought earnestly the lost Garden of Eden, it is with interest that the actual discovery should fall to a non-Christian, in fact, a worshiper of the Norwegian gods, Odin and Thor. This explorer, Olaf Jansen, actually a fisherman, has related in his book, THE SMOKY GOD, of his voyage with his father into the inside of the earth in their small sail boat via the North Polar Opening in 1829. They were taken in by the people there, taught their language and shown their country. Hence, their great discovery was brought to bear when after one year, they were taken to the capital city which the inhabitants called the City of Eden.

In THE SMOKY GOD, Olaf Jansen gives a description of where the Garden of Eden is located. Inside the earth, Olaf Jansen says, “The City of ‘Eden’ is located in what seems to be a beautiful valley, yet, in fact, it is on the loftiest mountain plateau of the Inner Continent, several thousand feet higher than any portion of the surrounding country. It is the most beautiful place I have ever beheld in all my travels. In this elevated garden all manner of fruits, vines, shrubs, trees, and flowers grow in riotous profusion. In this garden four rivers have their source in a mighty artesian fountain. They divide and flow in four directions.” (THE SMOKY GOD, pp. 113, 114)

Mercators Map of the Arctic

Mercator’s Map of the Arctic

That mountain can be seen on Mercator’s map of the arctic which first appeared as a vignette in his 1569 world map. The Flemish geographer and cartographer Gerardus Mercator’s methods of map-making were so accurate and reliable that they are still commonly used today (for example, the Mercator projection) and have remained virtually unchanged for nearly 450 years! His maps of Europe and the known world were exceptionally accurate and were commonly used with a great degree of reliability for navigation and commerce.

Bear in mind that prior to the advent of GPS and satellite navigational aids, exploration was the sole method of acquiring the data necessary for accurately portraying geographical details on a map. So, when we view Mercator’s representation of the Arctic as containing a large landmass, equally divided into four sections by massive rivers, it stands to reason that this data was acquired by means of thorough exploration. It also is apparent that, according to the perspective of the early explorers, they had no way of knowing that the land mass they were then encountering actually lay at the interior of the earth. Instead they assumed, as did many at the time, that the massive island or continent they found was actually an “island at the top of the world.” Mercator’s representation of the Arctic also very closely parallels the experiences of Olaf Jansen and his father in their exploration of the inner world.

So, it can be seen why and how these myths of an “undiscovered” northern region … a land beyond the north wind came to be and how a man, so obsessed with details as was Mercator, painstakingly reproduced the knowledge he had in his possession on his map of the Arctic.

In 1827, William Morgan, whose wife later became one of Joseph Smith’s plural wives, was taken on a mission to Inner Earth — most likely through the same cavern system that Adam and Eve wandered through on their journey from the Garden of Eden within to their home without.

William Morgan had joined the Free Masonic movement with the intent on learning their secrets so he could subsequently publish their secret rites, which he did. As punishment for this, the Masons, had him thrown in jail for a debt, then stole him out of prison. They took him to a secluded shack out in the woods. They dug up a body that resembled him, and threw it into a river and published an account in the papers that it was William Morgan. There was a big uproar by the people that lived in the vicinity — all neighbors of the prophet Joseph Smith — with preachers and citizens rising up against the Masons for what they had done.

But the Masons didn’t kill William Morgan. They secretly took him to live as a prisoner to a cabin in the woods until he grew a long beard. They then added some chemicals to his skin and beard and hair on his head to turn it so he looked like a very old man. They then took him back to his wife, who claimed he wasn’t her husband, that she had seen the dead body of her husband, and that she didn’t now know him. Then the Masons took Morgan to Kentucky, near the Mammoth Cave where he was taken by an Inner Earth guide through the cavern systems to our hollow earth. Many years later, Morgan reappeared as a translated being and gave the account of his trip to inner earth. It was later published by John Uri Lloyd as Etidorpha. Bruce Walton, hollow earth researcher from Provo, Utah, discovered that William Morgan was the I-AM-THE-MAN in the book, ETIDORPHA.

The Lost Ten Tribes in Inner Earth

“I was then really ‘the bosom friend and companion of the Prophet
Joseph.’ … Sometimes when at my house I asked him questions relating
to the past, present and future; … one of which I will relate: I asked
where the nine and a half tribes of Israel were. ‘Well,’ said he, ‘you
remember the old caldron or potash kettle you used to boil maple sap in
for sugar, don’t you?’ I said yes. ‘Well,’ said he, ‘they are in the
north pole in a concave just the shape of that kettle. And John the
Revelator is with them, preparing them for their return.”

– Benjamin Johnson, My Life’s Review, 1947, p. 93

The scriptures indicate that the Lost Ten Tribes have been hidden by God within the earth’s “womb” from which they will emerge in the Latter Days when the earth will “travail” and “bring forth her strength.” (D&C 84:101)

Dr. Clay McConkie, with B.A. in history and a Ph.D. in education, declared in his book, The Ten Lost Tribes, A People of Destiny, that after a thorough analysis of all scriptural references to the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel that the scriptures indicate that the lost tribes …”are presently living in a locality not on the earth, but somewhere in the earth… in …an area capable of accommodating a relatively large civilization of people and keeping them hidden from the world for more than twenty-five centuries.” He points out that scripture indicates that this large area inside the earth must be where most of the water came from that covered the earth’s surface at the time of Noah’s flood, and that the exit point in the Arctic must also be the entrance to inner earth that the Lost Tribes took when they disappeared into the north country 25 centuries ago and from which they will someday soon reappear with great fanfare to help spread the Kingdom of God throughout the earth in preparation for the Second Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.

The earth’s “womb” where the Lord has hidden the Lost Tribes is also called in scripture, “the outmost parts of heaven.” The Lord told Moses, “If any of thine be driven out unto the OUTMOST PARTS OF HEAVEN, from thence will the Lord thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee: And the Lord thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.” (Deuteronomy 30:4)

The earth’s “womb” and “the outmost parts of Heaven” to where the Lord took the Lost Tribes in scripture is also called the “North Countries” because it can be accessed through the north polar orifice to the earth’s interior. Jeremiah testified that, “In those days the house of Judah shall walk with the house of Israel, and they shall come together OUT OF THE LAND OF THE NORTH to the land that I have given for an inheritance unto your fathers.” (Jeremiah 3:12-18)

Some of the house of Judah are also there, because the scriptures indicate that that is where the lost and legal inherited throne of David is located.

The Political Kingdom of God in Inner Earth

According to the Bible, the Kingdom of Israel in Palestine under King David and his son Solomon became divided at Solomon’s death. The tribes of Judah and Benjamin resided in the south around Jerusalem, and the other Ten Tribes resided in the north of Palestine with their capital at Samaria. In 721 BC, Assyria conquered the northern Ten Tribes and took them into captivity.

A century later, in 687 BC, when Assyria encamped outside Jerusalem to take it captive also, the record of the Jews reported that a blast from space killed all 185,000 Assyrian soldiers. They were preparing to attack Jerusalem the next morning. It was not a flame, but a consuming blast: “Their souls were burnt, though their garments remained intact,” the record stated. The phenomenon was accompanied by a terrific noise. It was probably an interplanetary lightning bolt from a passing planetary body such as a comet.

This event allowed the Ten Tribes to escape their Assyrian captors. Apparently, they were considering returning to their homeland in Palestine, but upon reaching the Euphrates River, they discovered that an earthquake that accompanied the blast from Heaven, had caved in the narrow canyon in the upper reaches of the river, and so the river ran dry at their crossing point. Their leaders were inspired to direct the Israelites to instead of cross the river, that they would instead travel up the dry river bed until they reached a natural caved-in dam caused by the earthquake where they climbed out. The next day, when the home-standing army of the Assyrians in pursuit reached the river, it was again flowing with the turbulent waters of the flood from the broken dam. They could see the tracks of the Israelites entering the river, but could not see where they had come out on the other side. Thus, the Lord assisted the Ten Tribes in their escape from Assyrian captivity.

The Ten Tribes then continued north over the Caucasus Mountains and encamped north of the Black Sea, where many stayed. But a sizeable group continued their trek north into Russia, Mongolia and Siberia, where some of their remains have been found to this day. But they didn’t stay there either. Their trek took them even further north through the northern aperture of the earth led by a prophet of God where they live today in the “North Countries” of Our Hollow Earth.

The Apostle John, gave us an indication where the Lost Tribes of Israel went — through the Earth’s “mouth” into the bowels of the earth where the waters of Noah’s flood had come from and subsided to. In Chapter 12 of Revelations, the “woman,” which is the House of Israel, was persecuted by the “dragon” which is Satan and his followers. The House of Israel escaped into the “wilderness” of Russia, Mongolia and Siberia and passed through the earth’s “mouth” into the interior of the earth 2,500 years ago where they reside to this today.

John recorded, “And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child (referring to Jesus Christ — a descendant of Judah of the House of Israel). And to the woman (the House of Israel) were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent (another reference to Satan. The Lost Tribes went to the Hollow Earth 2,500 years ago. One time = 1,000 earth years, being one day of the Lord). And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed (remnants of the House of Israel that stayed on the earth’s surface), which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.” (Rev 12:13-17)

To the prophet Joseph Smith, the Lord Jesus Christ revealed that the Lost Tribes have prophets, and shall lead the Lost Tribes when they come out of the Land of the North to outer earth to receive their endowments in the House of the Lord by the hand of the children of Ephraim who are the Servants of the Lord, of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints — in the New Jerusalem, which Joseph Smith said they will help build.

“And they who are in the north countries shall come in remembrance before the Lord; and their prophets shall hear his voice, and shall no longer stay themselves; and they shall smite the rocks, and the ice shall flow down at their presence.
And an highway shall be cast up in the midst of the great deep.
Their enemies shall become a prey unto them,
And in the barren deserts there shall come forth pools of living water; and the parched ground shall no longer be a thirsty land.
And they shall bring forth their rich treasures unto the children of Ephraim, my servants.
And the boundaries of the everlasting hills shall tremble at their presence.
And there shall they fall down and be crowned with glory, even in Zion, by the hands of the servants of the Lord, even the children of Ephraim.
And they shall be filled with songs of everlasting joy.” (D&C 133:23-33)

This scripture says the Lost Tribes have prophets of God and have the gospel of Jesus Christ — the Jehovah of the Old Testament. They were visited by the Lord Jesus Christ after his visit to ancient America. He told his disciples in Jerusalem, “And OTHER SHEEP I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.” (John 10:16)

When the resurrected Christ came to ancient America, he told them, “And verily, verily, I say unto you that I HAVE OTHER SHEEP, which are not of this land (America), neither of the land of Jerusalem, neither in any parts of that land round about whither I have been to minister…I have received a commandment of the Father that I shall go unto them, and that they shall hear my voice, and shall be numbered among my sheep, that there may be one fold and one shepherd; therefore I GO TO SHOW MYSELF UNTO THEM. And I command you that ye shall write these sayings after I am gone, that if it so be that my people at Jerusalem, they who have been with me in my ministry, do not ask the Father in my name, that they may receive a knowledge of you by the Holy Ghost, and ALSO OF THE OTHER TRIBES WHOM THEY KNOW NOT OF…” (3 NEPHI 16:1-3)

“But now I go unto the Father, and also to show myself unto the LOST TRIBES OF ISRAEL, for they are not lost unto the Father, for he knoweth whither he hath taken them.” (3 Nephi 17:4)

After the Lord visited the Nephites in Ancient America, he visited the Lost Tribes of Israel in the North Countries of Inner Earth. And the record of that visit will be found in their holy scriptures when they return to outer earth to expand the Kingdom of God to all the world.

To those that reject the Word of God given to prophets in Ancient America found today in the Book of Mormon, the Lord Jesus Christ saith,

“Thou fool, that shall say: A Bible, we have got a Bible, and we need no more Bible. Have ye obtained a Bible save it were by the Jews? Know ye not that there are more nations than one? Know ye not that I, the Lord your God, have created all men, and that I remember those who are upon the isles of the sea; and that I rule in the heavens above and IN THE EARTH BENEATH; and I bring forth my word unto the children of men, yea, even upon all the nations of the earth? Wherefore murmur ye, because that ye shall receive more of my word? Know ye not that the testimony of two nations is a witness unto you that I am God, that I remember one nation like unto another?…For behold, I shall speak unto the Jews and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto the Nephites and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto the other tribes of the house of Israel, which I HAVE LED AWAY, and they shall write it…And it shall come to pass, that the Jews shall have the words of the Nephites, and the Nephites shall have the words of the Jews; and the Nephites and the Jews shall have the words of the LOST TRIBES OF ISRAEL; and the lost tribes of Israel shall have the words of the Nephites and the Jews.” (2 NEPHI 29:7-14)

Many today reject the record of the Jews, which is the Holy Bible, as the word of God, saying that is just myth and stories made up by the Hebrews. Many more today also reject the Book of Mormon, Another Testament of Jesus Christ that testifies that He came to ancient America after his resurrection where he set up his church and taught his everlasting gospel. But when the Lost Tribes return and bring their scriptures, those that reject this third witness that Jesus Is the Christ, the Savior of the World — will be burned at His Coming in Glory.

The law of God and His people Israel, is that in the mouth of two or three witnesses shall all truth be established, and according to the Law given to Moses on, Mt. Sinai, which was Mt. Horeb in the Land of Midian in Arabia, a man cannot be condemned to death by God’s law, except at the testimony of two or three witnesses. “…at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.” (Deut 19:15) During the Millennium, the wicked will be ashes beneath the feet of those who have accepted God’s word in righteousness. “And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the Lord of hosts.” (Malachi 4:3)

Before leaving the ancient Americans, Jesus prophesied unto them regarding the Latter Days, “…Verily I say unto you, at that day shall the work of the Father commence among all the dispersed of my people, yea, EVEN THE TRIBES WHICH HAVE BEEN LOST, which the Father hath led away out of Jerusalem…” in which they will come forth to help preach the gospel to the whole earth for the last time before His Coming in Glory. (3 Nephi 21:26)

The Lost Tribes will bring forth the political Kingdom of God to our surface world.

To King David the Lord promised that he and his sons would rule over the house of Israel forever: “Now these be the last words of David. David the son of Jesse said, the man who was raised up on high, the anointed of the God of Jacob, and the sweet psalmist of Israel said, ‘Although my house be not so with God; YET HE HATH MADE WITH ME AN EVERLASTING COVENANT, ordered in all things, and sure…'” (2 Samuel 23:1,5)

This was the covenant that the Lord made with David: “And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established forever before thee; THY THRONE SHALL BE ESTABLISHED FOREVER. According to all these words, and according to all this vision, so did Nathan (the prophet) speak unto David.” (2 Samuel 7:16-7)

And of David’s son Solomon, the Lord said, “He shall build an house for my name, and I WILL ESTABLISH THE THRONE OF HIS KINGDOM FOREVER.” (2 Samuel 7:13)

The Lord had explained to David, as he recorded in Psalms 89: Verse 3. “I have made a covenant with my chosen, I have sworn unto David my servant, 4. Thy SEED will I establish FOREVER, and build up THY THRONE TO ALL GENERATIONS. Selah. 28. My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him. 29. His SEED also will I make to ENDURE forever, and his THRONE AS THE DAYS OF HEAVEN. 30. If his children FORSAKE my law, and walk not in my judgments; 31. If they BREAK my statutes, and keep not my commandments; 32. Then will I visit their transgression WITH THE ROD, and their iniquity with stripes. 33. Nevertheless my lovingkindness will I NOT UTTERLY TAKE from him, nor suffer my faithfulness to fail. 34. MY COVENANT WILL I NOT BREAK, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips. 35. Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David. 36. HIS SEED SHALL ENDURE FOREVER, AND HIS THRONE AS THE SUN BEFORE ME. 37. It shall be established forever as the moon, and as a faithful witness in heaven. Selah.” (PSALMS 89:3, 4, 28-37)

“For thus saith the Lord; there shall NOT BE CUT OFF from David A MAN to sit upon the throne of THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL.” (Jeremiah 33:14, 17)

From this scripture we discover that there will never be a time that A MAN, a descendent of David, will not sit upon the throne of David. However, the scripture makes clear that the throne of David is now not over Judah but over THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL — the ten tribe nation which went into the North Countries of Our Hollow Earth.

The throne of David today exists in the North Countries. It is the living, legal, righteous and acceptable throne of David. The government of the Lost Tribes is a Theocracy. It is the political Kingdom of God.

Olaf Jansen, the Norwegian fisherman, described his interview with the King of Israel. After obtaining the North Countries in their fishing craft through the North Polar Opening, he and his father were taken before the Great High Priest, Ruler Over All the Land:

“The surprise of my father and myself was indescribable when, amid the regal magnificence of a spacious hall, we were finally brought before the Great High Priest, ruler over all the land. He was richly robed, and much taller than those about him, and could not have been less than fourteen or fifteen feet in height. The immense room in which we were received seemed finished in solid slabs of gold thickly studded with jewels of amazing brilliancy…” (The Smoky God, p. 114)

Joseph Smith spoke of this last of the Kings of Israel before Christ takes over the throne at the commencement of the Millennium, “Although David was king, he never did obtain the spirit and power of Elijah and the fullness of the priesthood; and the Priesthood that he received, and the throne and kingdom of David is to be taken from him and given to another by the NAME OF DAVID in the last days, RAISED UP OUT OF HIS LINEAGE.” (TEACHINGS, p. 339)

This King David, a descendant of David lives today and is the King of the Lost Ten Tribes of Israel in Our Hollow Earth. He is a prophet of God, necessarily under the direction of the prophet of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, who today holds the keys given by Moses to Joseph Smith in the Kirtland Temple. At that time, Joseph Smith recorded that “…the heavens were again opened unto us; and Moses appeared before us, and committed unto us the keys of the gathering of Israel from the four parts of the earth, and the leading of the ten tribes from the land of the north.” (D&C 110:11)

The prophet Jeremiah testified that a righteous branch of the House of Israel were taken by God to Inner Earth, “Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a RIGHTEOUS BRANCH, and a KING SHALL REIGN and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice IN THE EARTH.”

“In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.”

“Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that they shall no more say, The Lord liveth which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;”

“But, the Lord liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the North Country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.” (JEREMIAH 23:5-8)

When the Ten Tribes return, a portion will go back to Palestine to join the descendants of Judah there, “And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd.”

“And I the Lord will be their God, and my SERVANT DAVID a prince among them; I the Lord have spoken it.” (EZEKIEL 34:22-24)

The political Kingdom of God presently is headquartered at the City of Eden, in that primeval Garden where our race began, within Our Hollow Earth whose King is a descendant of David, his name is David and he sits on the inherited throne of David of old. He rules over the Lost Ten Tribes of Israel. And in fulfillment of prophecy, the political Kingdom of God under the guidance of the living throne of David will expand to the surface of the earth. A highway will be cast up in the midst of the Arctic Ocean, probably a mono-rail train on posts, which Olaf Jansen described they presently use extensively, and “their prophets shall stay themselves no longer” but will proceed to connect a permanent link between their capital city in Eden with the New Jerusalem–the future capital of the Kingdom of God in America to be built in Independence, Jackson County, Missouri. Near there, at Adam-Ondi-Ahman, Adam’s home after being evicted from the Garden of Eden, a grand council will be convened.

At this grand council, the resurrected Adam, and all the prophets down through the ages who held keys in the Kingdom of God, including Joseph Smith and our current living modern prophet, together with the presently reigning King David of Israel will deliver the throne of David and all the keys of the Kingdom — to Jesus Christ who will henceforth reign as King of Kings forever more. Christ is “the root and the offspring of David.” (Revelations 22:16) And thereby will the scripture be fulfilled that said that there will never be a time when a son of David will not sit upon his throne which throne will endure forever.

The scripture testifies of the earth, “And truth is established in her bowels;” (D&C 84:101) It explains that truth is established in the earth’s bowels because people live there who have the truth and live by it. During the Millennium there will be three world capitals of the political Kingdom of God — Jerusalem in Palestine, the New Jerusalem in Missouri, and the City of Eden inside the “bowels” of the earth from whence the word of the Lord will issue forth to all the world.

In fact, the scriptures refer directly to a people who live within the earth’s crust in giant cavern cities, and to the Ten Tribes who live within Our Hollow Earth. In Section 88, verse 104, it is written: “And this shall be the sound of his trump, saying to ALL PEOPLE, both in HEAVEN and IN THE EARTH, and that are UNDER THE EARTH–for every ear shall hear…”

The Heart of the Earth

The “outmost parts of Heaven” to where the Lost Tribes were taken, also gives us an indication of where the Heaven of this earth is located within the “heart” of the earth. Christ told the thief on the cross, “Today shalt thou be with me in Paradise,” (Luke 23:43)

The Apostle Paul told us where Paradise or “Heaven” is located — in the “lower parts of the earth.” Paul wrote of Christ saying, “Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high (referring to the ascension into heaven after his resurrection)…Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also DESCENDED FIRST INTO THE LOWER PARTS OF THE EARTH?…” (Ephesians 4:8,9)

The scriptures teach us that Mother Earth has a heart. It is the location of Paradise, or the Heaven of this earth, where Christ’s spirit went while his body lay in the tomb. He told the Jews where he would be going. Christ told them, “For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights IN THE HEART OF THE EARTH.”

Since the “heart of the earth” can be considered the “center” of the earth, Paradise must be located in the center of the earth, or as Paul expressed it, in “the lower parts of the earth.”

It is covered by a bright cloud and “shines.” The Lord said to Job, “Hearken unto this, O Job: stand still, and consider the wondrous works of God. Doest thou know when God disposed them, AND CAUSED THE LIGHT OF HIS CLOUD TO SHINE?” (Job 37:14.15)

It is the location of God’s throne in the Heaven of this Earth in the center of the earth’s womb. “He holdeth back the FACE OF HIS THRONE, and spreadeth his CLOUD upon it.” (Job 26:9)

Paradise, the Heaven of this earth in the “heart of the earth,” is also where Jesus Christ reigns from his throne on this earth. He told the prophet Nephi, “…that I rule in the heavens above and IN THE EARTH BENEATH;” (2 Nephi 29:7)

It is the place that Jesus hides himself. Joseph Smith prayed saying, “O, God, where art thou? And where is the pavilion that covereth thy HIDING PLACE?” (D&C 121:1) To which fact, the prophet Isaiah also testified, “Verily thou art a God that HIDEST thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour.” (Isaiah 45:15)

The throne of our Savior in Paradise has a cloud that shines and covers it indicating that Paradise is a place of light. Indeed, the Prophet Joseph Smith stated that when the righteous die and go to Paradise (which is another word the Savior used for Heaven), they will be enveloped in “flames of fire.” He stated, “The spirits of the just are exalted to a greater and more glorious work; hence they are blessed in their departure to the world of spirits. ENVELOPED IN FLAMING FIRE, THEY ARE NOT FAR FROM US, and know and understand our thoughts, feelings, and motions, and are often pained therewith.” (TEACHINGS OF THE PROPHET JOSEPH SMITH, p. 326)

In Nephi’s vision of the Tree of Life, in which he saw Paradise, he testified that, “…the brightness thereof was like unto the brightness of a flaming fire”… (I Nephi 15:30)

The prophet Enoch testified of Paradise saying, “My spirit saw around the CIRCLE OF THIS FLAMING HABITATION, on one of its extremities, that there were rivers of living fire, which encompassed it.” (Lost Books of the Bible, The Book of Enoch 70:8) He saw this fire coming from Paradise streaming towards the ends of the earth, “Where I beheld the operation of a GREAT FIRE BLAZING AND GLITTERING, in the midst of which there was a DIVISION. COLUMNS OF FIRE struggled together to the end of the ABYSS, and deep was their descent…” (The Book of Enoch 21:4-5, From Lost Books of the Bible) These are the source of auroras that emanate out from the earth’s womb from Paradise within through the polar orifices which are literally the “ends of the earth” from whence the Lost Ten Tribes will come in the latter days. The Lord said through the prophet Isaiah, “I will say to the NORTH, GIVE UP; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the END OF THE EARTH;” (Isaiah 43:6)

The “ends of the earth” are the earth’s polar openings that lead into the interior “womb” of “mother” earth.

The earth’s womb, in scripture, is also called the Abyss, or “Bottomless Pit,” because it has neither a top nor a bottom consisting of the “empty places” spoken by the prophet Job — which are the polar orifices, and is also referred to as the “Great Gulf.” It is a great hollow within the earth’s bowels.

The prophet Abraham in Paradise was speaking to the rich man in hell and said, “And beside all this, between us and you there is a GREAT GULF FIXED: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.” (Luke 16:26)

The prophet Nephi also saw this great gulf in his vision of the Tree of Life. He testified that between Hell and Paradise was “an awful gulf which separated the wicked from the tree of life, and also from the saints of God.” (2 Nephi 15:28)

Apostle Bruce R. McConkie wrote, “The Spirit World is divided into two parts: PARADISE which is the abode of the righteous, and HELL which is the abode of the wicked.” (MORMON DOCTRINE, “Spirit World” p. 68) They are separated by the great gulf.

Thus, the scriptures describe a hollow spirit world, with Hell located down in the earth’s shell, and Paradise in the center or “heart” of the earth in the “lower parts of the earth” separated by a “great gulf” of space. And since the spirit of all living beings have the same shape and form as their physical bodies, the physical world must also be hollow with a central sun.

“Spirit Prison” would be located on the surface of the planet where spirits that haven’t been cast down to Hell are waiting to hear the gospel, which if they do, and repent and receive a proxy baptism in the Temples of God, they are then empowered to cross the great gulf into Paradise.

Hell, in scripture, is called “outer darkness” because it is dark underneath the surface as anyone who has been in a cavern knows, — and because it is located “outer” or away from the center Paradise or Heaven of this earth. Many who have died and are medically resuscitated report that after leaving their bodies, they are taken through a dark tunnel through the earth’s shell and then come out in brilliant light in Paradise in the center of the earth.

The Tree of Life originally was in the Garden of Eden, but when Adam and Eve were driven out, the Lord transplanted it to Paradise-Heaven, where he placed “Cherubims and a flaming sword which turned everyway to keep the way of the tree of life” so that Adam and Eve could no longer eat the fruit thereof and live forever in their sins. The only way the fruit could to be partaken of again by humans was on condition of repentance and purification of all sin. Then they could be caught up to Heaven to partake of the fruit of the Tree of Life. Christ said regarding the blessing of translation, “And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die.” (John 11:26)

Many Saints have achieved unto this blessing of translation. The City of Enoch, the people who repented in the time of Noah’s preaching that were caught up to heaven, King Melchizedek’s City of Salem, Elijah, Moses, Alma the Younger, many Masters of the Far East, the Three Nephites, and the Apostle John, the Beloved of the Savior, all have partaken of this blessing wherein the righteous that are cleansed from all sin and wickedness may fore-go death and be caught up to Paradise to become translated beings by partaking of the fruit of the Tree of Life in a special gift from the Savior.

Jesus Christ revealed to John that, “To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.” (REVELATION 2:7) Many who have died and were medically resuscitated report that after passing through a dark tunnel through the earth’s shell, they arrive in Paradise in the heart of the earth and see a City of Light in the distance. That City of Light in Paradise is the City of Enoch that was physically taken to Heaven — buildings and all — many years before Noah’s flood. It will return to the earth’s surface at the beginning of the millennial reign of Jesus Christ when Heaven and Hell will change places.

The Celestial Destiny of Earth

In forming the earth, physical matter was controlled and governed by spirit matter. Therefore, a hollow spirit world with a central paradise-sun was organized from spirit matter upon which the physical matter was superimposed. So explained the guide to I-AM-THE-MAN in Lloyd’s ETIDORPHA:

“Matter has no strength, matter obeys spirit, and spirit dominates all things material. Energy in some form holds particles of matter together, and energy in other forms loosens them…The spirit that pervades all material things gives to them form and existence. Take from your earth its vital spirit, the energy that subjects matter, and your so-called adamantine rocks would disintegrate, and sift as dust into the interstices of space.” (ETIDORPHA, p. 253)

The Inner Earth guide further explained, “The earth forming principle consists of an invisible sphere of energy that, spinning through space, supports the space dust which collects on it, as dust on a bubble. By gradual accumulation of substance on that sphere a hollow ball has resulted, on the outer surface of which you have hither to dwelt. The crust of the earth is comparatively thin, not more than eight hundred miles in average thickness, and is held in position by the central sphere of energy (center of gravity, or central sphere of gravity) that now exists at a distance about seven hundred miles beneath the ocean level.” (ETIDORPHA, p. 193)

When we look at the Earth, it may seem to be just one big lump of rock covered with some dirt and water. But if we look at it from God’s perspective, he describes the earth as having two separate parts.

In Genesis, we read God’s account of the Earth’s creation. The Lord spoke to Moses saying,

“In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth.”
Notice that “heaven” and “earth” here are both singular. From this we learn that our Earth consists of TWO parts, a “Heaven,” and an “Earth.”
“And God said, Let there be light; and there was light.”

Now, since God placed the Sun, Moon and Stars on the 4th Day of Creation, the question that must be asked is, “What lit up on the first day of creation?”

God goes on to describe this light that he lit up on the first day of creation.
“And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the FIRST DAY.”
Here we learn another characteristic of this light, is that God divided it into a light side and dark side. How unusual. What light could have a dark side so that is causes Night? The phrase, “The evening and the morning were the First Day” indicates that this light rotates.

Then God, describes this light even more.
“And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the SECOND DAY.”

Here we learn that this light is in the midst of the waters of the earth, and it actually divides the waters below it from the waters above it. How unusual! What kind of light could be suspended between two oceans of water?

Then God describes where this light is located. He says it is located in a “firmament.”

The word “firmament,” translated from the Greek means “expanse.” The dictionary says firmament means, “sky, considered as an arch.” A characteristic of an arch is that it is curved. Apparently, God is describing something that is curved, is in the sky, and it separates an ocean, or “waters” above it from an ocean, or “waters” beneath it, and is an “expanse.” What is more, God gives this expanse a name. He calls it “Heaven.” This part of the creation occurred on a separate day from the first day, so this firmament must have been an important part of the creation of the earth. Where could this expanse, firmament, or Heaven be located?

Planetary Nebula NGC 6369
taken by the Hubble Space Telescope

There is a pattern in God’s creations. Take an atom, for example. It has two separate parts — the nucleus and the electron shell. And they are separated from each other by a considerable space. In other words, an atom is hollow. It has a nucleus suspended within the center of its electron shell. Our sun is located at the center of the solar system surrounded by orbiting planets. And if we look out into space we see many similar creations — all having a central star surrounded by orbiting stars and dust. It seems that all of God’s creations have this pattern.

If we would consider that our earth is built with a similar construction, with two separate parts, one inside the other, then we can begin to understand the Creation account in Genesis. The “light” that God lit up on the first day of creation is the core of the earth, or the “heart” of the earth. And it shines.

This is the discovery made by polar explorers. Through polar openings in the Arctic, at the “end of the earth” they have seen through an “empty place” in the earth’s shell. And what do they see? An inner sun shining within the hollow of our earth!

This inner sun produces a solar wind that emanates out through the polar openings to light up the auroras at both poles. And our astronomers report that most of the planets in our solar system have been found to have auroras at their poles just like earth.

The Norwegian fisherman-explorer, Olaf Jansen, described this inner sun in his book, The Smoky God.

It was the first part of August 1829. They had been sailing in the Arctic about 15 days northeast of Franz Josef Land through leads in the ice when Olaf recorded:

The Inner Sun

The Inner Sun

“One day about this time, my father startled me by calling my attention to a novel sight far in front of us, almost at the horizon. ‘It is a mock sun,’ exclaimed my father. ‘I have read of them; it is called a reflection or mirage. It will soon pass away.'”

“But this dull-red, false sun, as we supposed it to be, did not pass away for several hours; and while we were unconscious of its emitting any rays of light, still there was no time thereafter when we could not sweep the horizon in front and locate the illumination of the so-called false sun, during a period of at least twelve hours out of every twenty-four.”

“Clouds and mists would at times almost, but never entirely, hide its location. Gradually it seemed to climb higher in the horizon of the uncertain purply sky as we advanced.”

“It could hardly be said to resemble the sun, except in its circular shape, and when not obscured by clouds or the ocean mists, it had a hazy-red, bronzed appearance, which would change to a white light like a luminous cloud, as if reflecting some greater light beyond.”

“We finally agreed in our discussion of this smoky furnace-colored sun, that, whatever the cause of the phenomenon, it was not a reflection of our sun, but a planet of some sort–a reality.” (THE SMOKY GOD, pp. 85-7)

Fridtjof Nansen saw a mirage of this inner sun when he was caught in the ice on his ship, the Fram, in February 1894, at 80 degrees 1’ N Latitude. He reported, “Monday, February 19th… Both today and yesterday we have seen the mirage of the Sun again; today it was high above the horizon, and almost seemed to assume a round, disk-like form.” He remarked that it had a hazy, smoky-red color.

As the Norwegian fishermen explorers, Olaf and his father Jens Jansen passed through the North Polar Opening to Inner Earth, they met the Inner Earth inhabitants who were very friendly to them. They were very large in stature, very refined, highly educated and were in many respects as fair and similar in appearance to North Europeans. In fact, his father considered them his cousins. He told Olaf, his son, that their Norwegian legends told of a country in the far north that was a terrestrial paradise where the “Chosen People” lived. They were cousins, descendants of some of his ancestors, whom Norwegians worshiped, such as Odin, and Thor, whom now they considered to be Gods.

Similarly, members of the Church of Latter-day Saints consider some of their ancestors to be Gods also. Members are taught that they are “modern” Israel, many of which are actual descendants of the tribes of Israel, and if not, all who join the church are adopted into the House of Israel — and if they live their lives righteously, taking upon themselves the sacred covenants with God of baptism, and covenants of His holy temple, they become worthy of all the inherited blessings God promised to their ancestors, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, whose name was changed to Israel by an angel of God.

To the prophet Joseph Smith, Jesus Christ revealed, “I am the Lord thy God, and will give unto thee the law of my Holy Priesthood, as was ordained by me and my Father before the world was.

Abraham received all things, whatsoever he received, by revelation and commandment, by my word, saith the Lord, and hath entered into his exaltation and sitteth upon his throne. Abraham received promises concerning his seed, and of the fruit of his loins—from whose loins ye are, namely, my servant Joseph—which were to continue so long as they were in the world; and as touching Abraham and his seed, out of the world they should continue; both in the world and out of the world should they continue as innumerable as the stars; or, if ye were to count the sand upon the seashore ye could not number them.”

In fact, the righteous of any age can become Gods, if they live God’s full law — which is Celestial Marriage performed by authorized servants in the Holy Temples of God.

Concerning those who will be privileged to live here when our earth becomes celestialized and they become Gods and angels therein, Jesus Christ revealed to the prophet Joseph Smith, July 12, 1843:

“And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and everlasting covenant, and it is sealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of Promise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the keys of the priesthood; and it shall be said unto them–Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and shall inherit thrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths–then it shall be written in the Lamb’s Book of Life, that he shall commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their exaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fullness and a continuation of the seeds (children) forever and ever.”

“Then shall they be GODS, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be GODS, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them.”

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, except ye abide my law ye cannot attain to this glory.”

“For strait is the gate, and narrow is the way that leadeth unto the exaltation and continuation of the lives (posterity), and few there be that find it, because ye receive me not in the world neither do ye know me.”

“But if ye receive me in the world, then shall ye know me, and shall receive your exaltation; that where I am ye shall be also.” (D&C 132:19-23)

However, unlike some of our ancestors that went astray in the worship of their ancestors, our worship must be confined to the true and living God of Heaven, even Jesus Christ, of whom the Apostle Peter testified when he healed a man by God’s holy priesthood power, “Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.” (Acts 4:10-12)

In his sojourn in the hollow earth, Olaf Jansen was very interested in the inner sun and gave several descriptions of it. He called it, “the Smoky God,” because the Inner Earth inhabitants, he reported, believed it was the throne of their “Jehovah.” Here, it is curious that he would mention that the Inner Earth inhabitant’s God was Jehovah — the God of the ancient Israelites, because Olaf and his Father were worshipers of the Norwegian Gods, Odin and Thor, to their dying days.

He wrote, “In the meantime, we had lost sight of the sun’s rays, but we found a radiance ‘within’ emanating from the dull-red sun which had already attracted our attention, now giving out a white light seemingly from a cloudbank far away in front of us. It dispensed a greater light, I should say, than two full moons on the clearest night.”

“In twelve hours this cloud of whiteness would pass out of sight as if eclipsed, and the twelve hours following corresponded with our night. We early learned that these strange people were worshipers of this great cloud of light. It was ‘The Smoky God’ of the ‘Inner World.'” (THE SMOKY GOD, pp. 102, 103)

He further wrote, “The great luminous cloud or ball of dull-red fire–fiery-red in the mornings and evenings, and during the day giving off a beautiful white light, ‘The Smoky God,’–is seemingly suspended in the center of the great vacuum ‘within’ the earth, and held to its place by the immutable law of gravitation…”

“The base of this electrical cloud or central luminary, the seat of the gods, is dark and non-transparent, save for innumerable small openings, seemingly in the bottom of the great support or altar of the Deity, upon which ‘The Smoky God’ rests; and, the lights shining through these many openings twinkle at night in all their splendor, and seem to be stars, as natural as the stars we saw shining when in our home at Stockholm, excepting that they appear larger. ‘The Smoky God,’ therefore, with each daily revolution of the earth, appears to come up in the east and go down in the west, the same as does our sun on the external surface. In reality, the people ‘within’ believe that ‘The Smoky God’ is the throne of their Jehovah, and is stationary. The effect of night and day is, therefore, produced by the earth’s daily rotation.” (THE SMOKY GOD, pp. 108-110)

All living things have been found to have an electromagnetic field about them. It is sometimes called an “aura.” So, the fact that the earth has an electromagnetic field could be an indication that it is alive. Similar to a dynamo, the earth produces an electromagnetic field because it has two parts, both with electrical charges, one rotating about the other. Olaf Jansen reported that the inner sun appeared to be stationary, however, it does rotate very slowly — originally it was once every 1,000 earth years, but since creation, the earth’s rotation has slown down, and has been pushed into an orbit further from the sun, so that the inner sun now rotates about once every 623 years.

Similar to a magnet, the magnetic flux emerges from within at the south magnetic pole, and enters again at the north magnetic pole, which means that within the earth, the directions of the compass are opposite ours on the surface. This is what Olaf Jansen discovered. Their compass continued to point north even after passing through the north polar opening into Inner Earth.

Some people have thought that Olaf’s description of how the inner sun appears to come up in the morning in the east and go down in the west, was an indication of the falsity of his story. But they didn’t think about this carefully enough. Since magnetic flux flows out of the earth at our south pole, and goes in the north pole, and continues towards the south pole within the earth, then our south pole is their north pole and our north pole is their south pole. Since the earth rotates from west to east on the outside of the earth causing the sun to appear to rise in the east in the morning. and the directions of the compass are opposite inside the earth, then the inner sun’s bright “day side” cloud would appear in the east in the morning as seen from the inner surface of the hollow earth, and appear to go out on the west side in the evening so that the dark side of the inner sun then appears for night time.

God’s Genesis account appears to now make sense. The light that lit up on the first day of creation was a different sun that our outer sun that was placed in the sky on the 4th day of creation. (Actually, the earth was probably just put in orbit about the sun so that the sun, moon and stars then appeared in the sky.) That “light” that lit up on the first day of creation has a day and night side, and rotates once for every day of the Lord, which God told Abraham was once every 1,000 earth years. That “light” that lit up on the first day of creation is an inner sun suspended within the “expanse,” “womb,” or hollow of the earth. It is the “heaven” or “heart” of this earth, and “paradise” of the spirit world of earth.

We, as inhabitants of earth, can be grateful to God, our creator, Jesus Christ, and His Father for such a nice place to live. And we can have great respect for our “mother” earth knowing that she is alive, and obeys God’s will. In fact, God’s prophets have taught that our earth after its resurrection, will be the celestial kingdom for those of us found worthy to live on and in it.

Jesus taught his disciples, that the “meek” will inherit the earth. “Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.” (Matt 5:5) John, the Beloved, saw the death of the earth and its resurrection in his Revelation.
“And I saw a great white throne and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.” Notice the special mention of “the earth and THE heaven, ” again “heaven” is singular.

“And I saw A NEW HEAVEN and A NEW EARTH: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.” (Rev. 21:1-3)

The celestial city, the New Jerusalem, that John the Beloved saw, is being build right now inside our outer sun by Jesus and his Saints and Prophets. Phoebe Marie Holmes in 1933, told in her book, My Visit To The Sun, of her visit to the Celestial City of God within the Sun.

She described how she was taken in the Spirit by angels to the heart of the Sun where the New Jerusalem is today being built. It will be brought to earth after the earth’s resurrection when the earth becomes celestialized and becomes the abode of the righteous. Since it is so big, 1,500 miles long, wide and high, it will probably take the place of the earth’s inner sun in the celestialized earth.

Christ, on his Sermon on the Mount said, “In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.” A mansion is being built there right now for each of us, in the New Jerusalem, by our actions here on earth. Phoebe was taken by the angels of God to visit her unfinished mansion, where she found her husband, who had already passed on. She then was brought back to earth to finish her life’s work.

Phoebe reported that the city in the Sun is a giant terraced mountain with a square bottom — having a pyramid shape. John, the Beloved, in Revelations 21 reported that the New Jerusalem is as long and wide as it is tall and gave the measurements, which in our units of measure comes to 1,500 miles, with a wall 1/2 mile thick. So perhaps the ancient Meso-Americans, Chinese and Egyptians knew the New Jerusalem would have the shape of a pyramid, and so built their temples with that shape.

The angels told Phoebe that the Sun is a giant crystal. Joseph Smith also taught, “The angels do not reside on a planet like this earth; But they reside in the presence of God, on a globe like a SEA OF GLASS AND FIRE, where all things for their glory are manifest, past, present, and future, and are continually before the Lord.”

“The place where God resides is a great Urim and Thummim.”

“This earth, in its sanctified and immortal state, will be made like unto crystal and will be a Urim and Thummim to the inhabitants who dwell thereon, whereby all things pertaining to an inferior kingdom, or all kingdoms of a lower order, will be manifest to those who dwell on it; and this earth will be Christ’s.” (D&C 130:6-9)

Scientists, on the other hand, claim the Sun is entirely gaseous. But if it is hollow and has a shell thickness 10% of its planetary diameter, — that would give the Sun’s shell a density of 2.9 gm/cc, and so would have a solid surface! Glass has a density of 2.6 gm/cc.

The scientific work of Michael Mozina at his website at http://www.TheSurfaceOfTheSun.com, presents considerable evidence that the sun has a solid surface covered by some kind of liquid, perhaps silica. In recent satellite images of the sun in various wave lengths, surface features such as mountains and hills can be seen. He even shows a movie on his website taken by satellite of a “sun quake” on the surface of the sun, which sent out a tsunami from it’s epicenter and you can see the waves passing over the mountains.
This evidence that the Sun has a solid surface indicates the Sun is a hollow globe — since it does not have enough mass to be solid all the way through.

And it’s not that hot inside the Sun as scientists claim either. Phoebe described a nice warmth is provided for the celestial city suspended within the Sun’s hollow interior.

Joseph F. Smith, wrote in his book, DOCTRINES OF SALVATION, of the Celestial Destiny of our earth:

“The earth will be cleansed again. It was once baptized in water. When Christ comes, it will be baptized with fire and the power of the Holy Ghost. At the end of the world, the earth will die; it will be dissolved, pass away, and then it will be renewed, or raised with a resurrection. It will receive its resurrection to become a celestial body, so that they of the celestial order may possess it forever and ever. Then it will shine forth as the sun and take its place among the worlds that are redeemed. When this time comes the terrestrial inhabitants (those living terrestrial laws, Phoebe said would be taken to the Moon) will also be taken away and be consigned to another sphere suited to their condition. Then the words of the Savior will be fulfilled, for the meek shall inherit the earth.”

The Meek are those living celestial laws–which includes baptism in the true church of Jesus Christ and subsequent righteousness throughout this life. Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, repentance, baptism by an authorized servant of Jesus Christ and reception of the Gift of the Holy Ghost, and continued living “by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.” (Matt 4:4) are the requirements for entrance into the Celestial World.

President Joseph F. Smith, of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, continued:

“It is my opinion that the great stars that we see, including our sun, are celestial worlds; at least worlds that have passed on to their exaltation or other final resurrected status. This is in conflict, of course, with the teachings of scientific men, who declare that the sun is losing energy and gradually cooling off and will eventually be a dead world. I do not believe the Lord has any such thing in his plan. The Lord lives in ‘everlasting burnings’ we are informed. President Brigham Young has said that this earth when it is celestialized will shine like the sun, and why not?” (DOCTRINES OF SALVATION pp. 88, 89)

Isaiah wrote, “The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall DWELL WITH THE DEVOURING FIRE? WHO AMONG US SHALL DWELL WITH EVERLASTING BURNING?: He that walketh righteously, and speaketh uprightly; he that despiseth the gain of oppressions, that stayeth his hand from holding of bribes, that stoppeth his ears from hearing of blood, and shutteth his eyes from seeing evil: He shall dwell on high…” (Isaiah 33:14)

Indeed, our LIVING earth is alive, and will continue to be our home forever — if we are worthy of such a great an honor. After the resurrection, our Living Earth will become a Celestial World for its righteous inhabitants and will take it’s place as a Star — another of God’s jewels shining in the vastness of space.

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  1. A pretty story. I’d sure like for it to be true. But hasn’t the hollow-earth theory been proven impossible in like a hundred different ways?

  2. No. it has not been disproved at all.

  3. Rod, you need to post a follow-up article on this blog and show some of the new images that have come out about the no fly zones at the poles. I remember reading years ago a book called, “Deep Black”, which documented our nation’s foray into spy satellites and how the first eleven or so satellites launched never made it into space because they kept going over the north polar opening. The scientists of the time were baffled but they finally achieved success by overshooting the target. Now we’ve gotten smart and simply have everything, planes and satellites, avoid a certain spherical section of the planet, both north and south poles, so that nothing “disappears” from radar or mysteriously crashes. If you haven’t added the book “Deep Black” to your list of evidences for a hollow earth model, I would recommend that you get yourself a copy and use it as a reference.

  4. This is an interesting mix of science and doctrine. The Earth is an amazing organism, and we are but cells; we are biologic subsystems. We are seemingly of much lesser significance. If the Earth is self aware, it is likely very intelligent and very wise – like Ents in LOTR only on a higher order of magnitude. That we should respect the Earth would seem obvious to any human, yet corporately, we have failed due to our fallen nature or perhaps our anthropocentric model on reality.

    The notion that planets are promoted to stars is not scientific. At the center of our galaxy is a black hole, not Kolob. Time dilation there is much greater than a miniscule 1000 to 1 ratio with Earth; it approaches infinity to 1.

    That the Earth has Heavenly parents and Heavenly Grandparents fits the LDS model but consider that if all living things have infinite generations of Heavenly parents then there must be exalted dogs and cats out there begetting pre-mortal earthly dogs & cats. Endless generations of exalted mosquitoes, ticks and poison ivy are out there reproducing spiritual offspring. When the model is pondered, it just seems a little silly so it breaks down in my mind – sorry.

    Here is the thing I wrestle with – if Heavenly Father was once mortal like us; now exalted, then He is not the author of life – He did not create life since He was begotten. Nor was His Father – etc.

    Where did life begin in the LDS model? Who is the author of all life? Who is the original Creator that spoke time, space, energy, matter, antimatter and LIFE into existence?

  5. Everything I have read on this post and blog site seems to be intelligently written and deep in thought. I want fellow contributors to know that I meant no disrespect in my posts; though I may disagree with your beliefs.

    Rod, density is relative. Black hole matter would cut through the core of our Earth as easily as we pass through air. Perhaps, the hollow of the Earth is inhabited as you suggest, but by beings that are physically denser.

  6. This comment does not pertain to the hollow earth theory but I don’t see anywhere that I can pose this question. Here it is though and sorry for being out of place. If Heaven Father had a Heavenly Father who had a Heavenly Father … etc. Where did it begin? Is the chain infinite and if so then there are infinite Gods (exalted humans) 2 parents, 4 grand parents, 8 great grand parents … etc. Our Heaven Father is only one generation beyond our generation which means He is young relatively speaking when compared to an exalted being who has billions or trillions of spiritual generations of exalted offspring who have already begat great-great…etc great-great exalted beings who are the great great … etc great great Grand Heavenly parents of our Heavenly Father.

    What the heck? This does not make sense to me.

    In my heart, I KNOW that God is the original Being who is the Author of Life and Love.

    Though the LDS model of eternal progession is accepted and taught, it is not really thought out or the implications seemed to be ignored. When I pose this question to members, I am told that it is a childish question.

    Maybe this does relate to the hollow earth theory or the hollow universe theory perhaps.

    Question – did Elohim design the Big Bang? The instance where all matter, energy & time cam into being from a seemingly geometric point of origin? Did life exist before Elohim or is He the Author of life?

  7. The Dwarves delved too greedily and too deep.
    You know what they awoke in the darkness of Khazad-Dum.

  8. Hollow earth theory has a few unanswered questions for me. I once saw a picture drawn of it showing the core of the Earth to be the Sun for inner Earth.

    If the core of the Earth was at the center like a small ball suspended within a larger Ball, the outer Earth, then would not gravity cause the core to just plop to the inner edge of hollow earth ? A ball within a ball would certainly do that…

    No,w if you are saying that the Gravity in inner earth is pulling the core equally from ALL directions because the inner SURFACE surrounds the INSIDE of the outer Earth, then how are we to maintain a Gravitaional pull on OVERALL EARTH in TWO opposite dirrections ? ONE to the INSIDE from the point of Outer Earth & ONE to the OUTSIDE from the point of INNER EARTH ?

    Futher more, I think you have misinterpreted the quotes from the Facsimile in Abraham.

    Kolob being the NEAREST to the Celestial Residence of God ( The Father ) would be a Star NEXT to a Center of the Galaxy central Star, as the word “NEAREST” implies “CLOSEST” as “NEXT TO” and Kolob would be a symbol for Christ. While Oliblish being described as being in the same Orbit as Kolob and Both orbiting the Celestial Kingdom, would mean that Oliblish is a star symbolizing the Holy Spirit who is “EQUAL” in it’s revolution & reckoning of time with Kolob. And “ALSO HOLDS THE SCEPTER OF POWER” as does Kolob or ( Christ ).

    The Imagery in that Facsimile seems very simple to me. It depicts the God Head with the Father ( The Celsetial Kingdom or “Residence of God” ) being FLANKED by His Sons, Christ & the Holy Spirit ( Kolob & Oliblish ), revolving ABOUT their Father and drawing their LIFE ( Revolution & POSITION about the Central Star ) from the Father ( or Central Star of our Galaxy ), from which ALL others Revolve and draw their life from as a collective WHOLE ( The REST of God’s children belonging to THIS particular order….Galaxy of stars representing God’s children )……” Untill you come Nigh unto Kolob” . Or in other Words…Until WE become LIKE CHRIST by coming “NIGH” unto Him.

    The reasoning used to equate God’s presence as being inside Kolob would be the equivalent to throwing the whole creation of the Galaxy OFF BALANCE by Placing the Father’s location ‘OFF CENTER” to the description provided of these things in Abraham.

    I applaued your really using your Head in coming up with this, but it becomes a matter of your VIEW & INTERPRETATION of facts that appears to also be a little “Off Center”.

    I’m NOT making fun of you, I’m correcting your Focus to become “CENTERED” on the given Facts.

  9. Brutis, to envision the concept of an infinate number of God’s, all one need to do is look at the STRUCTURE of the universe and see that GALAXIES comprise the basic blocks to it’s construction.

    Just envision each Galaxy as the Creation of a particular God who would be the “FATHER” of THAT Particular Creation and evision the Cluster of Galaxies to be extended Family Groups in which we are all Related & Connected.

    The Universe is constantly growing & expanding with the Galaxies that fringe the Outer edges of the know Universe, as being the Oldest & therefore the closest to the Begining of existence.

    But then again if Eternity can not be explained in those types of LINEAR Terms, then I would say there is something being Gaurded from our view in terms of what we are SEEING via Human Understanding in Linear Terms of TIME vs. ETERNITY.

    I believe the ANSWERS we seek can ONLY be answered upon entering the Order of God’s ourselves & being made PRIVY to ti’s VEILED Secrets. Otherwise ANY OL PERSON could gain UNRIGHTEOUS access to the Powers of Creation & that to me seems….Would be Dangerous. What if SATAN had that knowledge? Do you think he would use it for the BETTERMENT of God’s Children ?

    I think we would find the answers to these questions to be quite simple as long as we view the whole matter through the Prisim of Perpetuating Familes throughout all Eternity.

    Satan’s main Goal is to Destroy what God Creates. And His Greatest Creation is that of the Entire Family & NOT any one individual to Superceed that Concept. For we KNOW that the Abrahamic Covenant which is the Greates of Covenants is Based in Marrige & Offspring as the means for achieving our HIGHEST Potential as Individuals woeking as a Collective Whole….Thus the Eternal Law of Consecration becomes the vehicle for that.

  10. Like almost all illustrations, the parallelisms drawn between the stars, galaxies and clusters of galaxies with the parallelisms of the Order of Gods can only be taken to a child’s level of comprehension before they quickly break down. When the implications are thought out to their logically conclusion, not only of human gods, but of animal and plant gods, this model defies its own logic and collapses on itself.

    If the God who is portrayed in LDS canon did create everything as the canon says He did then there is nothing that He did not create – which LDS scripture states as well. Therefore, every atom of every galaxy was created by the same God as He is described in the Book of Mormon, D&C and (typically) in the Pearl of Great Price. My point being, there are numerous scripture references that oppose this model of eternal progression; thus, this model contradicts the Book of Mormon and other LDS canon – in linear reasoning.

    Since Elohim is without a beginning or an end, there is no beginning or end of existence; hence, the oldest galaxies along the farthest outer edges of the known universe are nowhere near the origin of existence because they are measurably finite. 14 billion light years closer to infinity is no closer than point zero is from infinity in relative terms.

    The God of a cluster of galaxies is still a finite god; not an infinite God, because dominion over a cluster of galaxies is a finite dominion.

    Perhaps an infinite number of alternate realities could hold an infinite number of infinite Gods. Why there are more Gods than there are insects.
    But to state such an idea as though it were fact might seem just a slight bit grandiose?

    Life is a miracle. I think we agree on this point.

    In the LDS model of eternal progression, Elohim is not the author of Life and He is not the beginning of existence; nor is Elohim’s Father. In the LDS model, God is replaced by an Order of Gods; and in this model, Elohim becomes a very young God who was given form and life from some other living Being of an even higher order.

    True, eternal principles cannot always be explained in linear terms. We again agree.

    Was there ever an original God who Fathered the Order of Gods?
    And what of plant-gods, animal-gods, fungus-gods and planet-gods that extended into infinite spiritual generations?

    Consider this, the model is seriously flawed – logically and scripturally both.

  11. Like I said….To know God in His entirety is to BE God. Everything I mentioned is conjecture based in simple logic. It may be way off the mark, but I like to personally think the Answers governing the True Order of things hopefully aren’t to hard to figure out. I think gaining access to that knowledge boils down to Worthiness Trumping Brillance.

    God created us as Family Units and it seems reasonable to think that same image has the potential for being Perpetuated for all Eternity.

    Doesn’t sound like Rocket Science to me, as I don’t think enjoying each other’s company & sharing each other’s lives as a Family, has much to DO with that or any other WILD notion of the Purpose of Life.

    What’s so difficult or UNDESIRABLE with that ? Unless maybe you come from a Crappy Family and don’t CARE to deal with that for all Eternity….In WHICH CASE, I’m sure you WON’T…

  12. The doctrine is simple enough to understand. There is nothing difficult about it. Your beliefs contradict LDS canon. Simply put, what you believe is logically flawed and untrue.

    No one in your family will ever become a God. Such a notion is both childish and demonstartes the absolute height of arrogance.

    You are not anymore worthy than the next guy. Your worthiness trumps nothing. Don’t be silly. Only Christ is worthy. We are all dependant on His worthiness.

    Your arrogance is a stumbling block.

  13. Rob

    I want to apologize to you for my insults & tone, and thank you for answering my questions. We should be able to disagree without being mean spirited towards each other. I was the first one to provoke, and I am sorry for being that way. Again, thank you for responding to my question.

    I have read some of your other posts about the church being in apostasy, and think that you write intelligently and well. I like how you think outside of the box.

    – Brutus

  14. I wanted to add that if worthiness trumps brilliance, so too does faith trump worthiness.

    Every person is unique with a different set of abilities. Some people are raised in an abusive homes, others are prone to addictions, and others live in war torn poverty stricken nations. When more is given then more is expected. Not everyone necessarily has the discipline to live worthily and yet those same people may accomplish great things. As I understand repentance and forgiveness, it is very difficult to repent of every last sin and then move forward in life without sin or without repeating some of our sins, and yet that is what is expected. God does not tolerate the least degree of sin – zero. For anyone to obtain exaltation, there will almost always be a gap of unrecognized or unrepented sin. Hopefully the Savior will somehow overlook and forgive even those sins. Faith must trump worthiness because no one but Christ is worthy – even if we try our best.

    And as I understand the Book of Mormon, Love trumps Faith.
    Worthiness is an ace, but Faith is the left bower and Love the right bower.

    Furthermore, and I hope this does not sound blasphemous, because I don’t believe in many of the LDS doctrines and because I find deep contentment with my life and family life as it is now, the Terrestrial Kingdom already exceeds my wildest expectations that I can hope for in the next life. I am not really interested in exaltation or in the Celestial Kingdom. Rather than swooshing a bunch of interstellar dust around forming planetary systems, I’d rather be riding a dinosaur or planting a rain forest. Because I am awed by life and nature, I seek to know the original God who fathered the Order of Gods and orchestrated all existence and all life. That God may not be interested in me; He may not hear my prayers, but I believe He is able and that He loves us and cares for us. And that is who I pray to, and my prayers do get heard somehow.

    We disagree on some fundamental issues, however, there are probably many areas in which we do agree. I for the most part want to reject society or the direction that society is headed. I believe with all my being that humanity is self destructive, and out of balance with nature or with the natural surroundings which sustain our lives. Not that I accept the prophesies, but as much as humanity is ripening in wickedness, the prophesies are accurate.

  15. Top Ten Reasons why the Terrestrial Kingdom is better than the Celestial Kingdom:

    10. At 11000°F, the photosphere of the celestial kingdom is just too dang hot.

    9. The heavy gravity, low oxygen levels and high hydrogen concentrations in the celestial kingdom leave one feeling tired. But it only takes a few 1000000000 years to get used to it.

    8. You can’t buy fire insurance for your celestial home, and then there is always that nagging issue about the kingdom eventually becoming a red dwarf and then collapsing into a black hole.

    7. Everybody in the celestial kingdom has been assigned the same new name and been given a white stone.

    6. Too many wives in the celestial kingdom, a guy can never have a night out with the boys without an catching an earful of murmuring.

    5. Time dilation near Kolob makes constructing new planetary systems difficult to coordinate.

    4. Travel times from one’s own planetary system makes it very difficult to come home (on earth) in time for dinner every night.

    3. The United Order on the celestial kingdom is part of a Marxist plan. “It takes a village (of Gods) to raise a child (in the celestial kingdom).”

    2. I hear the produce in the terrestrial kingdom is by far the best of the 3 kingdoms of heaven.

    1. You don’t have to recite secret signs and tokens each time you go thru customs to enter the terrestrial kingdom.

  16. Brutus, You come by that name Honestly. Don’t get me wrong in the way I spare with you. It’s sort of an instictual thing with me & when I see another who pocesses that, I’m coming at you with Respect.

    The game of simantics you play with words like Faith Trumps this or that is just that my friend. It’s a play on word context being apllied to the Masses as opposed to an individual’s perpective and makes that game pointless.

    The one thing I’m sure that most of us could agree on is that one of the Greatest of God’s gifts to us is our ability to Pick & Chose what we want to believe. And I THINK that’s AWESOME because it makes EVERYBODY Happy.

    Who could possibly be dissapointed in the choices we make as Individuals expresing our Freedom to do so ?

  17. Sorry Brutis, I guess I really should check my spelling before posting these things. It’s amazing what seems so clear in your haed can sometimes exit your fingers as something totally foregn to your thoughts. I would NEVER want to “SPARE” you but would rather SPAR with you.

    I’m sure there are others in there, but I wanted to make sure THAT one was right.

    Even Phonics might not work if I failed to crrect that one.

    OK, One more….Instinctual.

    PS I like your stuff.

  18. Brutis, By the Way…Just one more dig…

    Faith Trumps Worthiness?

    I have the UTMOST FAITH that if I chose to….I could Pull off a Bank Job & take your Life Savings & buy myself dinner.

  19. Brutus, Seriously, Faith could NEVER Trump Worthiness for two reasons.

    1. FAITH in WHAT ? Assuming Faith Trumps ALL, places you in a position of AMORAL Decision making. ANYTHING could go as long as YOU have Faith in it. It CAN be a choice you make even if it is a poor one. But to assume FAITH Trumps Worthiness in ALL cases makes the pretence that Morals are non existent.

    2. WORTINESS assumes FAITH. FAITH does NOT assume WORTHINESS.

    What else you GOT !

  20. Brutus, as far as my Arrogance is concerned, you are RIGHT but have it in an impropper context.

    My Arrogance wouild be observed by my Brothers in the Celestial Kingdom who would hold me in contempt for inviting my Brother Brutus to join me in Brunch up there.

  21. And as far as the Disadvatages of having all those wives are concerned, I suppose it’s a matter of perspective.

    As easy as it is for me to argue with my wife, it would be nice to be able to go lay in another bed as opposed to the couch.

  22. Brutus, as I look back over some of this stuff it starts to smell of Darwinism that never seems to be able to provide SIMPLE conclusive answers to anything….Did we come from MONKEYS or did we NOT ?

    I thought my Dad had a Pretty Good answer to that one….His reasoning was…”If we came from Monkeys, How come we still Got Monkies” ?…

    I still Love ya Brother….But your try’n my paitence…

  23. Rob,
    It is true that faith implies works (worthiness), but it is the faith which fuels works and not the other way around. Scripturally, faith is a more fundamental principle than works. Without faith, grace and forgiveness, our works are basically in vain.

    As I understand, if you were to remove the Savior from the equation, every man, woman & child born would be sentenced to an eternity in Outer Darkness. It is an awful destiny, unimaginable and horrible. And, without Christ, there would be no resurrection; thus, all mankind would suffer eternity in Outer Darkness without physical bodies or as zombies or something horrific and miserable. Bottom line, if we take Jesus out of the equation, Satan has total victory. And this would all be perfect justice meaning that we would all deserve our awful destiny because God is just.

    Therefore, the only reason that all of us are not justly sentenced to Outer Darkness is because the Savior was successful in His mission.
    Therefore, we all deserve to go to Outer Darkness, but instead, we are redeemed by an infinite atonement – it is undeserved.
    Therefore, our worthiness does not measure up, Christ’s worthiness is applied to compensate for our lack of worthiness.
    It requires faith to believe that Christ’s worthiness can be transferred to you. Then after faith, follows works (and worthiness).

    Also – I apologize for my 10 ten list post. I would have deleted it if I could. I was attempting to be humorous, but may have been disrespectful.

    Still, the Terrestrial Kingdom is an awesome place. Not enough is caught about it. Why not? It seems relevant.

    Also, as I read the various post by all who contribute to this web site, I am struck by the many unique and intelligent ideas that are expressed. It is refreshing.

    – Brutus

  24. Brutus, I agree 100% with your estimation of the Crutial Role of Jesus in our even having THE CHANCE of coming hear & Living the existence we enjoy & have to look foward to. There is absolutely NO DENYING that.

    That’s why as the Scriptures tell us, whether you believe in Christ’s Role or not….”Every Knee will Bend & Every Tounge Shall Confess” His name.

    It implies FORCED Confession of the very things you talk about.

    And by the way….I thought your Top Ten were Good & Funny. I was just trying to add to it.

    I really enjoy the things you write about.

    Hey, I just had a small Revelation when watching TV a few minutes ago. A comercial advertizing an Up coming Stephen Hawking Special came on mentioning things pertaining to The Big Bang & Beyond.

    I Love All Things Astronomical & and developed a Theory of my own many years ago.

    I began describing it on one of these other posts under “SIGNS” & ended it very short as it becomes something of a difficult thing to describe without the use of Comparative Pictures & just talking it through.

    I’m not a writer & it’s hard for me to articulate it’s Picture & Meaning in writing.

    I wish I had the opportunity to show others than just those I know around here who I’ve shown this to.

    It uses this Scriptures & Science Astronomical Data to explain WHY the Solar System is Structured in the fashion that it is & includes an Astronomical Theory that expresses the existence of 3 additional either Extreamly Large Planets, or Brown Dwarf Stars situated in a TRINARY configuration and orbiting our Sun somewhere between the Kuiper Belt & the OURT Cloud in a PERPENDICULAR Plane to the Plane of the 9 known Planets.

    I’ve shown this to several of Retired Nasa Scientists & Engineering Buddies of mine who believe there is substantial Credability to it’s Design.

    They encouraged me to write a Book & Publish it which would grant me First Dib rights to a Nobel Science Award if it were Discoved.

    The TRICK to getting the Astronomical Community to taking this serious is for the Fact that HALF of it’s substaniating Data comes from Symbolism & Doctrine found in the Scriptures.

    My Buddies are LDS & understand the corrolation BETWEEN the TWO.

    The Scientific Community with the EQUIPMENT & Technology to Prove it are more than a LITTLE SKEPTICAL of COMBINING the Data & Reasoning I use in this.

    I KNOW I tried.

    So I just canned the Book over 12 years ago.

    But it would really be cool to just SHOW others what this is. It’s not only pretty cool…It’s pretty Convincing as well, in it’s Simplicity and Conformance to Fixed Physical & Spiritual Patterns.

  25. Man, I digress so much as I try to express myself that I completely forgot this little Revelation that came to me.

    You know how Physisits are trying t come up with a Theory of Unifiacation that would explain the existence of all things ?

    As close as Science is in approaching that from a MATHMATICAL point of reasoning, it can never be reached in that fashoin because what they are trying to do is Combine various MATHMATICAL Concepts & believe THAT’S the Solution to finding these things.

    THEY, like some of these Astrophisists I’ve spoken to about my Theory who IMEADIATELY shut me off when explaining PART of the source of my Data as being Spiritual in Nature, can only lead them to HALF a CONCLUSION.

    They are trying to ascertain the WHAT FACTOR & thinking that to be the WHY FACTOR.

    You know how Scientists are always saying things such as…This is WHY this or that happens ?

    All they are REALLY observing is WHAT is happing & not actually WHY it does that.

    My Theory icludes BOTH the WHAT & WHY Factors & REALLY IS a Unification Theory.

  26. I suppose the fact that I’m a High School drop out hasn’t impressed anyone with my Professional Credentials. But I don’t seem to have a problem with getting the attention of Several NASA Scientist & Engineers who are LDS.

  27. Brutus, WHAT IS IT with you & the TRERRESTRIAL KINGDOM. I imagine it to be an AWESOME Place too. I’m not sure where you’re coming from in your Personal Theology.

    You seem to have an EXTENSIVE back ground in LDS Theology but it’s hard for me to ascertain whether you have never been LDS or just a Disgruntled One.

    It’s usually not too hard for me to pick that out. But I have to say….I can’t tell with you.

    My Question to you is…..Why would anyone have an Innate Desire for a Ham Sandwhich ( which is Good ) , over the chance to eat a Steak ( which is Great ) ?

    I don’t get it….I’m SURE there’s a Reason but I just can’t possibly imagine what it would be.

    I’m CURIOUS….

  28. Brutus, Like You, I REALLY ENJOY this particular site and ALL the neat ideas people have here. I know NONE of us would agree on “everything” ANYONE had to say. But it’s ALL GOOD to me.

    But YOU are the Greatest Inigma of Conflict I’ve seen making comments here.

    It’s EASY to uderstand why many people, depending on their Theological Up Bringing, would have a Bone to pick with LDS Doctrine.

    But I guess what I find so interesting about the observations You Make… You almost SOUND like there are two people talking in there.

    To me anyway, it kind of sounds like Hating something you Love…….

  29. Brutus

    I noticed something in the begining of you comment that I agree another 100% with.

    And it cocerns what I feel is one of the Very Paramount proplems with the LDS Church which I LOVE.

    Works HAVE taken President over Faith among the LDS crowd as a whole.

    And it sickens me to be able to finally see what outsiders have noticed for sometime now & WE are mostly Blind to.

    So much emphasis has been placed on the concept of Work among us, that the FAITH & HUMILITY we should have in our Saviour in EXPRESSING those Good Works, has morphed into SELF ADORATION of the FAITH & LOVE we NOW place in OURSELVES as REPLACING what once belonged to Christ in our Hearts.

    Brutus, you are RIGHT in the observations that you & others outside of our Religion have very plainly noticed.

    But this IS the Lord’s Church & HE will do something to correct us in our ERROR in this matter. And Unfortunately, MOST of us are going to recieve the BOOT from Him for our SELF PRIDE & ARROGANCE.

    It’s not WANTING to become a God that implies Arrogance Brutus, it’s in assuming we ALREADY ARE.

    He WANTS us to be EVERY WONDERFUL THING HE IS & INHERIT ALL THAT HE HAS, as ANY Loving Father would want for His Children.

    We just have to recieve those WONDERFUL THINGS …..HIS WAY.

    Brother, the Celestial Kingdom IS for you if you understand the Nature of Family & Want to Perpetuate that Understanding into Eternity.

    Family is ALL that this is about….And I’m speaking from the perspective that Our Father & Brother who HEADS our Family, want us to BE what THEY have ALREADY BECOME.

  30. And given the Example of Our Saviour to each of us, that implies a HUGE amount of Humility & OUR Faith & Dependence on HIM as HE had for His Father.

  31. Generally, orthodox Christians believe that nearly everyone will suffer an unimaginable hell for all eternity. Very few people are “saved” by the various standards for salvation that the various denominations profess in disagreement to one another. The gospel of fundamental Christians is not “good news”; rather, it is almost the worst possible news.

    Moderate orthodox Christians simply do not want to think through the horrible implications of their beliefs; although what they believe is more palatable, it can pretty much be dismissed as unfounded theology.

    In the LDS gospel, (as I understand) most people will inherit the Terrestrial Kingdom (or maybe the Telestial Kingdom). Both of the lesser kingdoms are described as surpassing all understanding in the D&C. The sons of perdition who will inherit Outer Darkness are very rare (as I understand). This is terrific news!!

    The Terrestrial Kingdom as I understand is an Eden-like paradise. Our bodies will be young, perfect and immortal. That is very good news. It is truly a gospel that the world needs to hear, but rather, it is downplayed and virtually ignored by almost all LDS people. The Terrestrial Kingdom plays a huge part in God’s plan for humanity yet there is very little spoken about it.

    Furthermore, I have no delusions about becoming a god someday. I do not see it happening nor do I necessarily want to become a god.

    Finally, as you have already agreed, because we are not deserving of salvation (from hell) or immortality, it seems illogical that my finite worthiness can have any significance when entered into the same equation as an infinite atonement. Pretty much, before God, I am worthless. Or, before God, I must acknowledge my own unworthiness.

    So yes, I am conflicted. The LDS gospel is the best news with respect to mainstream Christianity’s very bad news.

    But, for me, the LDS gospel breaks down logically as Mormons begin to compare themselves to a perfect standard (and to each other) in a quest to add a finite amount of self generated righteousness to be added upon a foundation of infinite righteousness gifted by a Savior. It doesn’t quite compute for me.

    Plus, and I know this sounds flakey, but I love the Earth (not worship). I love the ecosystem and am awed by it. For me, the Terrestrial Kingdom is a better fit. I am happier when I garden or when I am bicycling and am keenly aware of the air, the sun, the trees than anything experience I have had in church (unless it involves a cute sister). When I eat a ripe delicious orange, it testifies to my tongue of an loving Creator far more than scripture or another dreary fast –n– testimony meeting (sorry).

    The Terrestrial Kingdom is real to me. It is a place we can HOPE for – we can hope that it really exists – even if it exists in the hollow of the planet.

    Becoming a god – it just doesn’t hold the same appeal to me. I would find more contentment being a servant of God.

  32. I Love you Brother, and no matter WHERE each of us lives, LOVE should ALWAYS be the common Factor among us.

    Shoot, Gareth lives all the way over there in England & I don’t hold THAT against HIM….So why should our living in different locals in Heaven be any different ?

    It’s ALL a Part of the same Big Heaven Right ?…..

    But I STILL & ALWAYS WILL, Hope that you will want to someday come to the Neiborhood, I’m hoping in all Humility, to be accepted into one day.

  33. There will likely be a few surprises before the 7th seal, the 7th trumpet and the 7th bowl. Just don’t take on the sign of the beast. That would be a mistake.

    Who knows, maybe after a few trillion eons, you may need someone to plan the fresh water systems on a few of your planets. Look me up. I might be able to transport a few million glaciers your way and then seed the melt off great lakes with fresh water dolphins.

  34. Brutis, there is one remark you just made concerning your feeling worthless before God. Maybe this is the Key difference we have in the way we percieve things.

    THAT staement by you makes my Heart Cry for you as My Brother…. Your Father up there is your FATHER & so is your Brother Jesus your BROTHER.

    If you were before them RIGHT NOW, they wouldn’t be having some Theological Doctrinal Discussion with you…..They would be Holding & Hugging you.

    I KNOW these things Brutus, as this has Happened for me. Not in some some Imaginative way but rather REALLY HOLDING & CRYING with me.

    Not many people have experienced the LITTERAL presence of God but some HAVE..

    If you believe even a portion of the Scriptures where Jesus has appeared to varoius people, you would believe this to be something that could happen to ANYONE whom God chose to come to.

    But the only way to know for SURE , is to experience that for yourself.

    Doctrinal Understanding is NOT what caused them to come to me. I wasn’t apart of any Church at that time nor had I ever read the first page of the Bible. It was my NEED to KNOW if they Really Existed & Guess What ? They really do.

    Not just in my Heart as I always held them there BEFORE this happened, but Apearing & Standing there WITH me & Expressing their Love for me.

    So if I appear as this RELENTLESS Pit Bull that refuses to let go & SPAR with people, it’s because EVERYONE should come to know these things for themselves and it causes me So Much Sadness to see people I Love, not recognizing a Higher sense of Self Worth regarding their relationship to Our Father & Brother.

    But I DO understand your Contentment with where YOU feel comfortable in life as you expressed that quite well in your last staement & wish you ALL THE BEST THINGS that make you Happy.

    And when I speak of the things I comment on in ANY SUBJECT and the Emotion I apply to the things I say, it is from THAT EXPERIENCE I had when 20 years old.

  35. One last thing & I’ll wander somewhere else.

    As far as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is concerned…. who would I BE….. To turn away from the Truth I was Seeking & Found, & tell Them the Church they Brought to my front door step, was not for me ?

    Not even many Latter Day Saints can say… that before they became members of the Church, that it was GOD, not personally as He does for most, but rather IN PERSON to lead me to this Truth ?

    I know you pun at times & at times you are serious. But consider what I’ve said and ask yourself if you would offer ANY derogatory remarks concerning this Church if the things I told you were True….

    Not being True to YOU is a Relative statement based on your Personal BELIEFS & Experience with God. I no longer NEED to function on “BELIEF”…..I KNOW of God & the Things HE has informed me as being True.

    And this IS His Church. Placed here for the purpose of Preparing His Kingdom for His Return. And it is a TERRESTRIAL WORLD that He will be Returning to and it’s inhabitants must be RAISED to that level PRIOR to His getting here of suffer Burning at His Coming.

    This is the PURPOSE of His Church….To Instruct & Give Power & Authority to those of His Covenant in order to provide for & help RAISE the people of the Order you Desire to aquire.

    And I would NOT consider it Arrogance on MY PART to want to provide that for you.

    So keep that thought in mind as you ascess the Motives of those of us trying our best to fulfil God’s will.

    YES….MOST OF US are WAY off the Mark of doing what we are suposed to, but the LORD will Clean His OWN HOUSE FIRST before the rest of the World recieves a Good Saturday Night Bath.

    Don’t MOCK HIM by considering ANYTHING I’ve said here as NOT BEING TRUE..

  36. Rob
    It is good that we can interact and disagree and cause each other to ponder and rethink. I have much still to read and ponder on this web site; having only skimmed much of what is here. The LDS Anarchist has written some good essays that touch on faith, relationship (with the Savior), and problems with the LDS culture. For example, (keys of the church) he has spoken out on how LDS members seldom if ever cast dissenting votes when sustaining (or voting) for offices in the church. By doing this, the keys of the church are effectively forfeit.

    One other problem I see, virtually all active Mormons claim to KNOW that the church is true. Little children, teenagers, adults (everyone) are all encouraged to say those words – I KNOW THE CHRUCH IS TRUE (or something to that effect). You know as well as I know, that this is oftentimes not actually true.

    A person’s testimony should hold up to challenge and scrutiny, else what good is it when the real tests of our faith do strike unexpectedly? I would think that a person would welcome this, but instead, challenging a person’s testimony is offensive.

    My bishop once explained to me that there is a difference between KNOWING and having a PERFECT KNOWLEDGE, and I think that the LDS church adheres to that teaching by and large. But to me, those are just rationalizing words. If one does not have a PERFECT KNOWLEDGE of a principle then one does not really KNOW the principle to be true (I feel). This claim “TO KNOW” by virtually every single active Mormon dilutes the credibility of most individual testimonies. Fundamental Christians do the same thing as virtually every one of them claims to KNOW that they are saved.

    Obviously a testimony is personal, but must also withstand the tests that God places in our lives.

    Your testimony differs from the LDS norm, in that you have claimed to have experienced the physical presence of the personage of Jesus Christ, and you claim to have a perfect knowledge. If I read your words correctly, you have experienced the 2nd Comforter, like the brother of Jared (Mahonri Moriancumer) experienced. You have had your calling and election made sure, if I read between the lines of your post correctly. That is good news. I will ponder this.

    About my feelings of worthlessness before God, that is not to say that I feel unloved or of zero worth. I was speaking more of the measurement of my righteousness when compared to the righteousness of Christ. Then again, the righteousness of Christ is accounted as righteousness to our accounts. My righteousness does not measure well against God’s perfect standard. That is what I meant. Even people in the Terrestrial Kingdom have a loving relationship with God.

    Paradoxes abound within the principles of the gospel.
    We find success in defeat, joy in sorrow, victory in surrender, etc.
    And it seems we find righteousness in acknowledging our unworthiness before God.

    I close with a few Book of Mormon scriptures to illustrate this point.

    Keep fighting the good fight brother Rob. I know that you believe that you are closer to God than I am. I feel that we should not compare ourselves to each other. Rather, compare yourself to Jesus Christ. And if I can transport a few million glaciers across the universe to one of your planetary systems someday, brunch in the Celestial Kingdom would be paradoxically great but uncomfortable being the object of righteous contempt.

    – Brutus

    Mosiah 4:5
    For behold, if the knowledge of the goodness of God at this time has awakened you to a SENSE OF YOUR NOTHINGNESS, AND YOUR WORTHLESS AND FALLEN STATE.

    Mosiah 4:11
    And again I say unto you as I have said before, that as ye have come to the knowledge of the glory of God, or if ye have known of his goodness and have tasted of his love, and have received a remission of your sins, which causeth such exceedingly great joy in your souls, even so I would that ye should remember, and always retain in remembrance, the greatness of God, AND YOUR OWN NOTHINGNESS, and his goodness and long-suffering towards you, UNWORTHY CREATURES, and HUMBLE YOURSELVES EVEN IN THE DEPTHS OF HUMILITY, calling on the name of the Lord daily, and standing steadfastly in the FAITH of that which is to come, which was spoken by the mouth of the angel

    Helaman 12:7
    O how great is the nothingness of the children of men; yea, even they are less than the dust of the earth.

    2 Nephi 31:19
    And now, my beloved brethren, after ye have gotten into this strait and narrow path, I would ask if all is done? Behold, I say unto you, Nay; for ye have not come thus far save it were by the word of Christ with unshaken faith in him, RELYING WHOLLY UPON THE MERITS of him who is mighty to save.

    Moroni 6:4
    And after they had been received unto baptism, and were wrought upon and cleansed by the power of the Holy Ghost, they were numbered among the people of the church of Christ; and their names were taken, that they might be remembered and nourished by the good word of God, to keep them in the right way, to keep them continually watchful unto prayer, RELYING ALONE UPON THE MERITS OF CHRIST, WHO WAS THE AUTHOR AND THE FINISHER OF THEIR FAITH.

  37. Brutus

    In regard to this Faith vs. Works issue…..It’s only the Works of the SPIRIT through us that are of worth to God.

    Any Heart felt service we provide for our Fellow Man is CHEEREISHED & HIGHLY REGARDED by God if THEY are held in Esteem by those we serve. And also, even if those we serve aren’t receptive to our kindness IF they are TRULY being extended with the intent to lift those we are serving.

    Unfortunately, a lot of the serving to others we see now days, is for the purpose of Highlighting one’s OWN Charatable view of HIMSELF.

    Works of the Flesh when compared to a Guy who has pieced together an Entire Unviverse, is NOT going to stand impressed with my abilty to fix a Car…..Unless….I’m doing in Kindness for someone else.

    I don’t think there ever WAS an issue with how YOU or I percieve that Relationship between the TWO. But I can certainly understand your having the General Observation of the LDS community having that cocept…All screwed up.

    But we ain’t ALL that way Bro. And it’s NOT a reflection of the NONVALIDITY of claiming this to be the Lord’s Church.

    That would be using the same Logic in referring to Adam as not being our Legitimate First Father because Cain was a Turd….

    By the way…I LOVE the Out Doors as well….I SEE my Brother’s Finger Prints on it EVERY WHERE I LOOK. And it’s BEAUTIFULY AWESOME !

    I grew up on the Beaches of Cape Canaveral and was practically ADOPTED by Dolphins…

  38. If you were to remove the Savior from the equation, every man, woman & child born would be sentenced to an eternity in Outer Darkness. How then can personal worthiness be a factor? I ask, not because I wish to argue, but because it is a paradox. How then can we compare our own worthiness to someone else’s when we know our own cannot possible measure up to a perfect standard. We are all beggers before God – correct?

    We are of incredible worth to our Father, yet we must acknowledge our nothingness before the Lord before we are able to comphrehend to the slightest degree what our worth is.

    We are sinful creatures, prone to evil, yet because of the atonement, we are underservingly washed cleaned – as clean and as pure as Christ Himself is pure.

    Christ’s righteousness is transferred to us; while our wickedness is transferred to Christ where it is atoned.

    The Cape where you grew up is now in danger of being fouled by a gushing oil well. Why did not the LDS prophet warns us and what does he have to say on this matter now? I am reconsidering what is meant by Daniel the Prophet by the Abomination that Causes Desolation. The Abomination may be the greed of humanity and the Desolation may be the defilement of our ecosystem. Our Living Earth is a sacred and choice planet and the dark powers of this world are killiing it. Perhaps the LDS church is heavily vested in BP stock – it would be good if it were true.

    It angers me and saddens me to see the destruction of the ocean and the coast – animals fouled with digusting crude oil, yet I am caught up in the system, and find it difficult to escape; hence, I am guilty.

    I am ready for a revolution but don’t know how or where to sign up.

    Again, thank you for your responses.

    About Cain being a turd, I am not sure that I believe that Cain fathered the Negro race, the curse of dark skin and all that is implied by that doctrine, but I do believe that the Negro race is beautiful; and the people belonging to that race are a blessing.

  39. just for clarification, the rob commenting here was not me.

  40. I first read “The Hollow Earth” by Raymond Bernard almost 30 years ago, when I was a teenager. I am active LDS and have been my whole life and this theory makes absolute sense to me. I believe that the inner earth is where the lost ten tribes are, where UFO’s come from and where a lot of “Ancient Aliens” have come from. It just makes so much sense, especially when you consider the scriptures in the Doctrine & Covenants which describe the return of the tribes.

  41. Brother Cluff, will you please give me a reference to this comment in your post, “God, our Heavenly Father’s planet is a star in the center of our Milky Way Galaxy.”

  42. Brother Cluff, I just read D&C 84:102 and it doesn’t state this: The scriptures indicate that the Lost Ten Tribes have been hidden by God within the earth’s “womb” from which they will emerge in the Latter Days when the earth will “travail” and “bring forth her strength.” (D&C 84:102). Did you give the wrong scriptural reference? Please respond as I am studying this right now. Thank you!

  43. I don’t know about the Milky Way — but D&C 88:13 describes God’s location as:

    who sitteth upon his throne, who is in the bosom of eternity, who is in the midst of all things

    “All things” would be the created universe — the “midst” is the geometric center of the sphere of light that is the created universe.

    Re: D&C 84:102 — I found something similar just one verse earlier in D&C 84:101 — but I don’t know exactly what he had in mind.

  44. Brother Cluff, regarding your statement, “The prophet Enoch testified of Paradise saying, “My spirit saw around the CIRCLE OF THIS FLAMING HABITATION, on one of its extremities, that there were rivers of living fire, which encompassed it.” (Lost Books of the Bible, The Book of Enoch 70:8)”…who is the author of this book? There are several for sale on Amazon. Thanks!

  45. Thanks for your response, Justin. Hopefully Brother Cluff will respond.

  46. Rob
    How have you been?

  47. Christine,
    The quote I gave from the the prophet Enoch is from the lost books of the Bible, The Book of Enoch. The place I found it is in a book by Elizabeth Clare Prophet. The title of Elizabeth’s book is, Forbidden Mysteries of Enoch. She explains that in 1773, rumors of a surviving copy of the Book of Enoch caused the Scottish explorer James Bruce to go to Ethiopia where the Book of Enoch had been preserved by the Ethiopic church. So he brought back 3 copies to Britain and in 1821 Dr. Richard Laurence, a Hebrew professor at Oxford University translated it into Englsh.

    Enoch was the first explorer to the hollow earth. In the Ethiopian Book of Enoch are many references to the hollow earth, and the inner sun as the location of Paradise.

    Regarding your previous comment, I have now corrected the reference in the D&C 84:101 that speaks of the earth’s bowels bringing forth her strength.

    And regarding your previous post and question of where God’s planet is located and where my reference is on that, it’s from the Book of Abraham Chapter 3. Abraham has the Urim and Thummim which God gave him in Ur of the Chaldees, and with it he looks at the Stars, and God told him, “These are the governing ones; and the name of the great one is Kolob, because it is near unto me, for I am the Lord thy God: I have set this one to govern all those which belong to the same order as that upon which thou standest.” So the governing stars in our Milky Way Galaxy are the ones in the center, the largest stars in the Galaxy. They govern all the star systems in our galaxy, incuding our own solar system.

    Then in verse 9, the Lord God continues to clarify this saying, “And thus there shall be the reckoning of the time of one planet above another, until thou come nigh unto Kolob, which Kolob is after the reckoning of the Lord’s time; which Kolob is set nigh unto the throne of God, to govern all those planets which belong to the same order (galaxy) as that upon which thou standest.”

    Kolob is God’s planet and it is according to the time of rotation of God’s planet that He created the earth. So the “days” of creation were days of the Lord, which is stated in verse 4 is equal to 1,000 earth years. Kolob is “nigh unto the throne of God” because the throne of God is INSIDE Kolob.

  48. I received an email from LDS Anarchist requesting explanation of what I write in my ebook, that at the beginning of the coming millennial reign of Christ upon the earth when he comes to reign as King of Kings, Paradise will become the prison where Satan will be bound during the thousand years of the millennium.

    He wrote me asking, “I am wondering if you have given any further thought regarding this, in particular, what your thoughts are concerning the angels to the devil, the one-third of the hosts of heaven who were cast out with Satan, and also concerning those who will have to wait until the second resurrection, the resurrection of the unjust, will all these spirits also be bound in Paradise with Satan?”

    My answer is Yes, with the clarification that with the return of Christ to earth to reign as King of Kings for his Millennial reign, Paradise and Hell will change places.

    Right now, and until about 2021, the location of Paradise, or the Heaven of this earth is the Inner Sun inside Our Hollow Earth, and Hell is the shell of the planet. The shell of the planet is the “outer darkness” spoken of in scripture when speaking of Hell. If you have ever been in a cavern, and the lights are turned out, it is pitch black. You cannot see anything. Outer space is not the location of outer darkness. In outer space the light of the sun, moon, planets and stars are always shining. The shell of the planet is the “outer darkness” spoken of in Alma 42 where the wicked are cast into after their brief judgement at death, and after their brief taste of Heaven. They are judged by Christ and then cast into the shell of the earth where Hell is currently located. It is “outer” or away from the Inner Sun, the location of Paradise — the Heaven of this earth, until the return of Christ.

    At the return of Christ in his glory with all his holy angels, Paradise will be emptied by the resurrection of the just, which includes those resurrected with Terrestrial bodies, and those resurrected with Celestial bodies. And the City of Enoch that was taken to Heaven, to the Heaven of this Earth, that is, the Inner Sun, or Paradise, will also return to the surface of the planet.

    In the Pearl of Great Price, in the Book of Moses, Chapter 7, verses 62 and 63, it says, “And righteousness will I send down out of heaven; and truth will I send forth out of the earth, to bear testimony of mine Only Begotten; his resurrection from the dead; yea, and also the resurrection of all men; and righteousness and truth will I cause to sweep the earth as with a flood, to gather out mine elect from the four quarters of the earth, unto a place which I shall prepare, an Holy City, that my people may gird up their loins, and be looking forth for the time of my coming; for there shall be my tabernacle, and it shall be called Zion, a New Jerusalem.”

    “And the Lord said unto Enoch: Then shalt thou and all thy city meet them there, and we will receive them into our bosom, and they shall see us; and we will fall upon their necks, and they shall fall upon our necks, and we will kiss each other;”

    D&C Section 88:96 says that at the return of Christ in glory that “…the saints that are upon the earth, who are alive, shall be quickened and be caught up to meet him.” And verse 97, “And they who have slept in their graves shall come forth, for their graves shall be opened; and they also shall be caught up to meet him in the midst of the pillar of heaven.”

    So this is the first resurrection, the resurrection of the just, which includes Terrestrials and Celestials. Those who are alive at His Coming will be caught up to meet him in the air, but will remain mortals and descend with him after the earth is purified where they will continue to have children and live out their mortal lives. The difference is that at death they won’t die and be buried in the ground, but at death will be immediately resurrected. The earth’s shell at Christ’s Coming will at that time become the location of Paradise, and the Inner Sun will become the location of Hell — the exact opposite as it is now.

    In the Pearl of Great Price, Article of Faith number 10, says, “We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.”

    During the Millennial Reign of Christ, the earth’s shell will be Paradise, or Heaven, as you may like to call it.

    The Inner Sun, which is at the present time, the location of Paradise, or in other words, the Heaven of this Earth, will at the coming of Christ be emptied of all righteous spirits when they are resurrected, and then the Inner Sun will then become a prison for the wicked, the location of Hell, where Satan and all his evil angels will be bound for a thousand years so they cannot tempt any man.

    John, the Apostle, wrote, “And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years.” (Revelation 20:1,2)

    The bottomless pit is our hollow earth. It has no top nor bottom because of the holes at the poles. At the beginning of Christ’s millennial reign, Satan and all his evil angels will be gathered up and cast into the Inner Sun inside our hollow earth where they will be bound by the chains of gravity for a thousand years. That is why people during the millennium won’t be tempted by Satan.

    Nephi, the ancient American prophet wrote, “And because of the righteouness of his people, Satan has no power; wherefore, he cannot be loosed for the space of many years for he hath no power over the hearts of the people, for they dwell in righteousness, and the Holy One of Israel reigneth.” (I Nephi 22:26)

    Lucifer, our elder brother who rebelled against God, Our Heavenly Father in our pre-existent life in the Heaven of Kolob, God’s throne, (see Abraham 3:28, 29, and Moses 4:1-4), and also convinced one-third of the hosts of Heaven to follow him, became Satan, the leader of the Devils.

    In the Doctrine and Covenants, Section 29: 36-39, Jesus revealed to the prophet Joseph Smith, “And it came to pass that Adam being tempted of the devil — for, behold, the devil was before Adam, for he rebelled against me, saying Give me thine honor, which is my power; and also a third part of the hosts of heaven turned he away from me because of their agency; And they were thrust down, and thus came the devil and his angels; And, behold, there is a place prepared for them from the beginning, which place is hell.”

    Lucifer knows he will have one more chance to go to Heaven, the Heaven of this earth — the Inner Sun, but it will be a Hell for him and all those placed there with him, because of his bad attitude and his presence there. Isaiah 14:12-15 says, “How art thou fallen from heaven (the Heaven of Kolob), O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

    13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven (the Heaven of this Earth, the Inner Sun), I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

    14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

    15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell (at the end of the Millennium, when Heaven and Hell will again change places), to the sides of the pit.” You see, this is part of Lucifer’s judgement, where God will show him that even if he does go to Heaven, it will not be Heaven to him. In fact, it will be Hell just because he is there.

    At Christ’s coming at the beginning of the Millennium, the earth will be purified by burning, most likely by a solar flare, and all the wicked will be turned to ashes. The wicked are those breaking the Ten Commandments that Jehovah gave to Moses (Exodus 20, Mosiah 12, 13). Malachi was told by the Lord that during the Millennium, the wicked will be ashes beneath the feet of the righteous, because they will be burned at his coming, and their spirits consigned to Hell. The reason? Because they accept not Jesus and His Atoning Sacrifice, and repent not of their sins.

    “For, behold the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven, all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble; and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.”

    “But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.”

    “And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the Lord of hosts.” (Malachi 4:1-3)

    Not only will the wicked be burned at Christ’s coming, they will be cast into Hell with Lucifer (Satan) and all his evil angels to receive the buffetings of Satan for a thousand years, or, until they repent of their sins and accept Jesus’ atoning sacrifice. Jesus cannot pay for the sins of those that reject Him. If we don’t repent and accept His atoning sacrifice, we must pay for our sins ourselves in Hell with the buffetings of Satan.

    What are the buffetings of Satan? You can read the stories of people that have gone to hell, where the devils beat up on them and cast them into unquenchable fire, where this is no water to quench their thirst and where the pain is so intense the wicked scream unceasingly with pain. See for example, 23 Minutes in Hell, by Bill Wiese. His story is recounted on Youtube at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR_cD1NJkyU

    There are also many accounts of people going to heaven, after passing through the earth’s shell through a dark tunnel, they come out in the brilliant light of Heaven (Paradise), on the the Inner Sun. For example, Don Piper’s 90 Minutes in Heaven, or Raymond A. Moody, Jr.’s Reflections on Life After Life, or Life Everlasting by Dwane Crowther.

    The wicked are they that “…received not the gospel, neither the testimony of Jesus, neither the prophets, neither the evelasting covenant.”

    “Last of all, these are they who will not be gathered with the saints, to be caught up unto the church of the Firstborn, and received into the cloud.”

    “These are they who are liars, and sorcerers, and adulterers, and whoremongers, and whosoever loves and makes a lie.”

    “These are they who suffer the wrath of God on earth.”

    “These are they who are cast down to hell and suffer the wrath of Almighty God, until the fulness of times, when Christ shall have subdued all enemies under his feet, and shall have perfected his work.” (D&C 76:101-106)

    These live not again, meaning they are not resurrected, until the thousand years are ended, unless, of course, they repent and accept Jesus’ atoning sacrifice, in which case they can, as the wicked can now, leave Hell and come to Paradise.

    “And these are the rest of the dead, and they live not again until the thousand years are ended, neither again, until the end of the earth.” (D&C 88:101) These are the Telestials, who after paying for their sins for a thousand years, are resurrected to Telestial glory to have the presence of the Holy Ghost for the rest of eternity on another planet somewhere in space that will be of the Telestial glory.

    After the Millennium, Satan and his angels will be loosed for a little season, that he may gather together his armies. “And Michael, the seventh angel, even the archangel, shall gather together his armies, even the hosts of heaven. And the devil shall gather together his armies, even the hosts of hell, and shall come up to battle against Michael and his armies. And then cometh the battle of the great God; and the devil and his armies shall be cast away into their own place, that they shall not have power over the saints any more at all.” (D&C 88:111-114)

    Their own place is the Kingdom without glory spoken of in Doctrine and Covenants Section 88:24, “And he who cannot abide the law of a telestial kingdom cannot abide a telestial glory; therefore he is not meet for a kingdom of glory. Therefore he must abide a kingdom which is not a kingdom of glory.” The kingdom of no glory is a planet with no light, spoken of by scientists as a black hole.

    At the end of earth’s temporal existence, the earth’s shell will break down the mid-Atlantic ridge and roll up like a scroll and disintegrate into dust as it’s spirit leaves it in death. The earth will then be brought forth in its resurrected status as the Celestial Kingdom for the inheritance of the meek of the earth. It will shine like the sun. It will be a hollow crystal ball, like our Sun is, with an inner sun that will be the final New Jerusalem spoken of by John in Revelation Chapter 21. John was given it’s dimentions and shape. It is a pyramid shape, 1,500 miles high, long and wide with a wall 1/2 mile thick. The New Jerusalem that is now being constructed in the hollow of our outer sun by Jesus and all the holy prophets, apostles and saints, will then be brought to earth and take the place of the Inner Sun and be suspended in the hollow of the resurrected earth.

    Satan and all his evil angels and the sons of Perdition, which sons of Perdition are the last to be resurrected, will be cast into an eternal Hell in the black hole in the center of our Milky Way galaxy, a planet so massive that not even light can escape and millions of times earth gravity will hold them prisoners forever. This massive black hole has been seen by our astronomers in the center of the Milky Way galaxy. It is a hollow planet with polar openings with an inner sun that shoots radiation like a powerful aurora far above and below the galactic plane. About this black hole rotate all the stars in our galaxy, the closest stars being Kolob and Oliblish, spoken of in Abraham 3 and the Facsimili No. 2.

    Earth is currently a prison planet. None of us are liberated from this prison until we accept Jesus as our Savior, repent of our sins, and are risen in the resurrection.

    If we accept Jesus as our Savior and repent of our sins, by obeying His holy laws, then we don’t have to pay for our sins in Hell. Otherwise, we will. Jesus cannot save us from Hell unless we have faith in Him, and accept his atoning sacrifice by repenting of our sins by obeying his commandments. He said, “Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.” (Matthew 4:4)

    And again, Jesus said, “For behold, I, God, have suffered these things for all, that they might not suffer if they would repent; But if they would not repent, they must suffer even as I; Which suffering caused myself, even God, the greatest of all, to tremble because of pain, and to bleed at every pore, and to suffer both body and spirit — and would that I might not drink the bitter cup, and shrink — Nevertheless, glory be to the Father, and I partook and finished my preparations unto the children of men.” (D&C 19:17-19)

  49. Whoa!

  50. And oh – Hello Rob.
    Regards, Brutus (too lazy to login)

  51. Why viewers still make use of to read news papers when in this technological globe the whole thing is accessible on web?

  52. What is a theme?



  53. That was spam, Rod, which is why it is now gone. But a theme is the color/picture/format combination of a blog. It’s like a blog template.

  54. Why, thank you! This is was my first ever article on this blog. But I’ve written several on my own website.




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  56. Russian scientists uncover female mammoth with fresh blood – published 27.05.2013

    In case anyone wonders why I’m putting this link here…

    Olaf Jansen reported that in winter Inner Earth rivers that empty into the Arctic Ocean freeze over into which occasionally a mammoth will fall into and freeze. With the summer thaws, the entombed mammoth carcasses are pushed out to sea in the icebergs and end up on the coasts of Siberia and Alaska. (Source: Rodney Cluff)

    Do a Google News search for “mammoth” to see the 150 or so other news articles on this find.

  57. I cannot help but think that these verses speak of the people from within the Earth making their appearance in their UFO-style high velocity flying dishes (Isa 5:26)
    And he will lift up an ensign to the nations from far, and will hiss unto them from the end of the earth: and, behold, they shall come with speed swiftly;

    Especially seeing that they come so swiftly that they don’t even have to take a nap or undress:
    None shall be weary nor stumble among them; none shall slumber nor sleep; neither shall the girdle of their loins be loosed, nor the latchet of their shoes be broken:

  58. Merry Christmas to all.
    Hey Rob – hope you are doing well.
    I’ve been trying to watch a few Flat Earth Society videos and read some of their arguments, and it reminded me of the Hollow Earth theory which led me here.
    – Brutus Epiglottis

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