The real meaning of the promise in Moroni 10: 3-5

Behold, I would exhort you that when ye shall read these things, if it be wisdom in God that ye should read them, that ye would remember how merciful the Lord hath been unto the children of men, from the creation of Adam even down until the time that ye shall receive these things, and ponder it in your hearts. And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost. And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things. (Moroni 10: 3-5)

We are all familiar with this promise. The missionaries use it all of the time. Heck, I was a missionary and I used it, too. But I interpreted it according to the traditional interpretation that was taught to me, just as we all do. Here is the correction to this tradition, the real meaning of these verses, as I now understand it:

  • The meaning of “these things” from the phrase “I would exhort you that when ye shall read these things” (v. 3) refers to the Book of Mormon. Everybody gets this right.
  • The phrase “that ye would remember how merciful the Lord hath been unto the children of men, from the creation of Adam even down until the time that ye shall receive these things” (v. 3) requires that the investigator be familiar with the Bible. Ideally, they would have read the entire Bible, but at the very least, familiarity with the stories of the Bible is needed. Also, a belief in the Bible is called for, as “remembering how merciful the Lord hath been” is impossible if we believe the Bible to be a work of fiction.
  • The meaning of “it’ in the phrase “ponder it in your hearts” is the mercy of the Lord. In other words, we are to ponder the mercy that the Lord has shown to the children of men from the time of Adam to now.
  • Asking “if these things are not true” (v. 4) is not the same as asking “if these things are true.” The word “not” changes the presupposition of the phrase from one of incredulity to one of belief. In other words, by asking “if these things are not true” the presupposition is that they are true things, and we are asking if our belief is incorrect. On the other hand, by asking “if these things are true” the presupposition is that they are false things, and we are asking if our incredulity is incorrect. So, we don’t approach God in prayer, believing that the Book of Mormon is false, and wanting to know if it is true. Using such an approach, we will get no answer. Instead we approach God in prayer, believing that the Book of Mormon is true and wanting to know if it is false. Then the Lord confirms to us that it is true.
  • The following phrases “if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ” emphasize that belief, repentence, humility and willingness to obey the gospel must be present. We must not only already believe the Book of Mormon is true when asking God, but must also already believe in Christ and that God will (not just can) answer our prayer. There must be no doubt present concerning all these things. Also, in another revelation, the Lord explained that people who ask for gifts of the Spirit, which are manifestations of the Spirit, should “ask and not for a sign that they may consume it upon their lusts.” (See D&C 46: 9.) Nephi also explained the manner in which manifestations of the Spirit ought to be sought, saying, “Wherefore, my beloved brethren, I know that if ye shall follow the Son, with full purpose of heart, acting no hypocrisy and no deception before God, but with real intent, repenting of your sins, witnessing unto the Father that ye are willing to take upon you the name of Christ, by baptism…behold, then shall ye receive the Holy Ghost; yea, then cometh the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost; and then can ye speak with the tongue of angels, and shout praises unto the Holy One of Israel.” (See 2 Nephi 31: 13.)

And so comes the manifestation of the Holy Ghost, confirming the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon to us. The promise in Moroni 10: 3-5, then, is a test of our belief. Only the believers receive the answer. The incredulous will receive no answer from the Holy Ghost.

This is the reason why some people say, “I asked if the Book of Mormon was true or not, but didn’t receive an answer.” (Laman and Lemuel didn’t receive answers either. See 1 Nephi 15: 8-11.) The approach they are taking is one of incredulity, which closes the heavens. If we explain this scriptural concept to our investigators from the get-go, the burden of receiving an answer is placed firmly on their own shoulders, according to their belief (or faith.)

Nephi said, “And that he manifesteth himself unto all those who believe in him, by the power of the Holy Ghost; yea, unto every nation, kindred, tongue, and people, working mighty miracles, signs, and wonders, among the children of men according to their faith.” (2 Nephi 26: 13)

The Lord said, “For behold, I am God; and I am a God of miracles; and I will show unto the world that I am the same yesterday, today, and forever; and I work not among the children of men save it be according to their faith.“(2 Nephi 27: 23)

I have found that missionaries, when faced with investigators who have asked God to know if the Book of Mormon is true will place the stress on believing that it is possible to receive an answer, or believing that one will receive an answer, etc. They entirely miss the first belief that is necessary: that the Book of Mormon is true. I wonder how many investigators we lose because of this misunderstanding?

Anyone who possesses the four beliefs necessary: 1) that the Book of Mormon is true, 2) that the Lord has been merciful unto the children of men from the time of Adam to now, 3) a belief in Christ and 4) that God will answer their prayer; and possessing these beliefs, if they go to God in prayer, asking God in the name of Christ, if the Book of Mormon is false, will receive a guaranteed manifestation of the Holy Ghost that the Book of Mormon is true, confirming their faith.

Go ahead and explain this to your friends who are investigating, and watch as all of those who follow this exact process suddenly desire to join the church.


Surely some will say that if they already believe the Book of Mormon is true, what is the need to ask God to confirm it? They might as well join the church anyway. Well, that’s true. There is no need, but the promise is there for those who wish to turn their belief into bona fide knowledge via a manifestation of the Holy Ghost. This is in agreement with Alma 32: 17, 27-28. First comes belief, then come the signs of the Holy Ghost. No belief, no signs. It is as simple as that.

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  1. Well done. I like your summary. I believe there is enough to the content of the BofM that those who sincerely read it can get a feel for its truthfulness prior to prayer.

  2. Great post. I can relate because I always wondered why we ask people to pray if it’s true, when Moroni says to pray and ask if it isn’t true.

    I also found something interesting last night during my scripture study. Read over D&C 134. I am interested to get your take on it. I honestly don’t understand why it was made part of D&C with it’s endorsement of the state being ordained of God and condemning anarchy. I assume their idea of anarchy is different than the way you or I would look at it, but why an endorsement for centralized government? Interesting. Let me know what you think about it.

  3. Thanks for both of your comments.

    quantumsaint, D&C 134 would be a topic best addressed in a separate post. [Note to self: do this.]

  4. quantumsaint, in the meantime, you may want to follow this link:

  5. I testify that Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God. I testify that the Book of Mormon is another testament of Jesus Christ and is true. I testify that the revelations given to Joseph Smith and recorded in the Doctrine and Covenants are works of God. I testify that Jesus Christ is a child of God, just like you and me. I testify that God and Jesus keep their promises and will fulfill every prophecy, given by every prophet, whether you acknowledge them as prophets or not. I testify that you should believe nothing you read or hear without asking for confirmation from the Holy Ghost. I testify in the power of fasting and prayer.

    Doctrine and Covenants 42:61 “If thou shalt ask , thou shalt receive revelation upon revelation, knowledge upon knowledge that you may know the mysteries and peaceable things that which bringeth joy, that bringeth life eternal.

    Beware of this offer from the lord. Beware if you aren’t willing to accept new things that might crash your current reality into pieces. Also I testify that the mysteries of God will shower from above if you just ask, and realize that they may come in many shapes, forms, and from many resources, held by some of Gods other children.

    Many things in my life have grabbed my attention and captivated my thoughts, but nothing can compare to my obsession of the last two years. I find myself with a ring through my nose; following a voice that I had for years insisted was a farce. From the records past on from my family, by the hand of Moroni, my instructions are clear. Ether 8:24 “Wherfore, the lord Commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among ye, that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combinations which shall be among you; or will be intuit because of the blood of them who have been slain; for they cry from the dust forvengance upon it, it also upon those who built it up.” 25- For it cometh to pass that those whoso buildeth it seeketh to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations and countries. ..” This is my testimony regarding a portion of what I know and understand of the secret combinations, the tares growing among the wheat, as prophesied by Ezra Taft Benson.

    I recently returned to God, prayers and scriptures after discovering our awful situation described in verse 24. It was almost as if I was in a choreographed movie played over time with clues and experiences which uncovered a plot and its methods that I couldn’t deny. I retuned after two decades of a life devoid of prayer. He was there; he immediately began to communicate by giving me a marked bible, spiritual teachers, angles, blessings, food, shelter, natural medicine, and a new found love for the universe as a whole. Thank you Heavenly Father for all you many blessings.

    From the Bible to the Book of Mormon there is much prophecy written of the Latter Days which might just prove to be today. Mormon 8: 27-41 speaks of a time in the future he sees. Mormon foresees that every church will be part of a Secret Society. He forecasts that wars abroad and the hidden ones get your door that you cannot see. He prophesies the pollution in our air, the salvation or religious “rights” that require money to keep the machine turning with other people’s blood and sweat. He prophesied churches that are so prideful that they wear fine apparel, might look down upon someone not dressed as they, building temples that are costly, while brothers and sisters die of hunger. Please cross reference this with Nephi’s words written in Nephi 22 (beware the misleading chapter summary). Moroni speaks of the day when so called saints will wear clothing made from lifeless materials (synthetic fibers from petroleum) and walk past the needy with their noses held high.

    In the April 1988 Mormon Church Conference President Ezra Taft Benson validated these prophesies as he disclosed that secret combinations were growing stronger in every aspect of our society. Consequently/coincidentally these were the last words heard from this great and noble peacemaker. A mysterious sudden illness left him unable to speak again until his death from heart failure. Today LDS church officials speak nothing about secret combinations. I know that they are aware of the secret combinations of hidden drugs and secret war against you and your children. I personally have divulged messages of warning, disclosing the hidden drugs placed in you food, clothes, cleaners and air. I testify that those who you call leaders of church and state have been contacted by me through written letters hand delivered for insurance that they would be received. Two General Conferences have past since church and state have been contacted and you have heard nothing from them.

    Moroni 7: 5-6 “For I remember the word of God which saith by their works ye shall know them…..” When we realize that history has shown how church after church has been infiltrated by secret combinations or secret society and many prophets of old send clear messages of things to look for, I feel we must access the situation. I testify that not all sections in the Doctrine of Covenants are from God as D&C 134 has no listed authors and God does nothing in secret. This section happens to contradict section 98 which was revelation given by Joseph Smith.

    Chapter heading 2 Nephi: 28 states that many false churches will exist today. If this precept (heading summary) is taken to heart one may miss the message that all will be corrupt shown in verse 3 and 4. Verse 5 speaks of churches that might deny other manifestations of the Holy Ghost and that most will be led in error because they are taught by the precepts of men. This would be a church that told you that important revelations only came through one prophet. Joseph Smith received hundreds of pages of revelation recorded in D&C. When is the last time an actual revelation has been given through a prophet, instead of interpretation or precepts? In 27 and 28 warnings are given not to reject other writings and truth of God or the ones they have will be taken away. Verse 31 says “Cursed is he that puteth his trust in man….” I’m supposed to trust one pope or prophet when I can clearly see that they don’t even teach, uphold, or follow the law given in section 42 of the Doctrine and Covenants. Verse 32 lets us see that this warning is given to the Gentiles, which happens to be the prophesied group that will receive and teach the Book of Mormon today.

    D&C 85-3-4. It is contrary to the will and commandment of God that those who receive not their inheritance by consecration, agreeable to his law, which he has given, that he may tithe his people, to prepare them against the day of vengeance and burning, should have their names enrolled with the people of God. Neither is their genealogy to be kept, or to be had where it may be found on any church records or history of the church.” I have read this over and over and cannot see the promised blessing of tithing given by church leaders. The Chapter heading in Moroni 8 is quite misleading using the word infant instead of Mormons words little children. In chapter 8 Mormon says over and over that little children need no baptism. Mormon says that baptism is only for those that need to repent. He also says that circumcision is done away with. Mormon says in verse 14- Behold I say unto you, that he that supposeth that little children need baptism is in the gall of iniquity; for he hath neither faith, hope, not charity; wherefore, should he be cut off while in the thought, he must go down to hell. In verse 19 he says “little children cannot repent; wherefore, it is awful wickedness to deny the pure mercies of God unto them, for they are al alive in him because of mercy. Verse 22 “for behold that all little children are alive in Christ and also all they that are without the law…” (Law of Consecration) How could this be possible, how could we have been taught to baptize children at eight years old? This is just one of the many discrepancies that exists that I ask you to pray about.

    2 Nephi 27:4 “…ye shall be drunken but not with wine, ye shall stagger but not with strong drink”. I have personal experience with this prophecy. It’s called drug use. It doesn’t matter if it’s an illegal street drug, pharmaceutical prescription drug, or a drug hidden in your soda, food colorings, cleaners, care products, plastics or air. Drugs are drugs and synthetic drugs are made from petroleum. The subject of drugs happens to return us to the beginning of this story, as hidden drugs were the first huge discovery of revelation of what has become my life’s work. Doctrine and Covenants 89:4 gives a warning that conspiring men with evil designs do exist and will exist today. Secret combinations are secret society between government, churches, and industry that steal away your rights and freedoms forcing you to comply with their underlying plans. Sorcery happens to refer to Chemical potions or drugs if you research the root of this word. If you are LDS you may say that you are safe from these evils. Let’s for instance examine Mormon red punch. D & C red 40 has been proven in some studies to be carcinogenic, mutagenic and to cause many other health hazards. Up to 51 trace chemicals/drugs are allowed in standard sugar and the term artificial or natural additives leaves the door open for a plethora of secret ingredients that may be make from anything, but most often are made from petroleum! Petroleum causes 99% of almost all of our problems with health, is the cause to almost everything explained as phantom or unexplained, war and an ever thickening veil placed by the enemy. Who is the enemy? Sections 42:43 “And whosoever among you are sick and have faith to be healed, but believe shall be nourished with herbs and mild food and that not by the hand of the enemy” Does the enemy happens to be pharmaceuticals, and all their secret combinations of legalists, lobbyists, and supporters? Properly prescribed pharmaceuticals happen to be the number 3 leading cause of death in the US and cause an estimated 2.2 million illnesses severe enough to require hospitalization. What medicines are used at LDS hospital? Many of your clothes are made with toxic chemicals, and then washed in even more toxic chemicals that absorb into your skin, flesh and souls. How many of you had your lawns forcibly sprayed this year for an illusive beetle and read the warnings that you couldn’t harvest food from your dirt for three years. What about all of these chemicals, toxins, poisons and drugs that are released upwind of the nation’s salt reserve and your homes. There is a pile of nuclear waste upwind of here larger than four Liberty Parks. Your temples and churches are cleaned daily with secret combinations of mind altering and deadly chemicals/drugs. What’s a veil? Get up early tomorrow morning and climb to the top of ensign peak. Watch the clouds of chemicals waft in town from the corporate and military facilities upwind of here. Do you know what is in the clouds of deception and why do they feel that they must fly overhead Salt Lake City dispensing yet more chemical/drugs. After years of denying chemtrails, which is the deliberate release of cloud causing chemicals, the government admits to doing this and now says that the pollutants they are coating the city with are to help with global warming.

    The artesian well is now contains the same toxins found in your tap water, this happened the same day that the water pressure increased. The health food stores served up as alternatives are a hoax with no truly chemical free products. Not one petroleum or “natural” gas free care product exists. Toxins and poisons added to fruits and vegetables through “mandatory” packaging, tape and adhesive. Why do we have to have glues and adhesives on the UPC label that are stuck on your bananas. It isn’t necessary just to make our lives simpler. Anyone or any organization that would join forces with, condone or back these evil game players belongs to a secret society. Anyone who justifies war for oil to make these poisons, plunders and pillages speaks from the lips of he who should not be named. Section: 87 4-6. God has not justified or ordered war in centuries. In the days of Joseph Smith as seen in section 98 of Doctrine and Covenants, saints were forbade to fight even though their own government was executing extermination orders, rapping, plundering, killing on a nightly basis. As a result the Mormons were dwindling. Any church leader who supports war or a warring government either hasn’t read the scriptures, doesn’t understand the scriptures or is a blinded and silenced by the secret combinations. The Mormon battalion formed after Joseph Smith was killed, used scare tactics of war and death to clear Native Americans and Mexicans from desired lands for Mormon settlers. Please open your hearts to God and ask him for guidance, please ask for the spirit of the Holy Ghost to guide you, regardless of it is popular in you churches eyes. Moroni Chapter 10. Exhorts you to pray for your guidance. Verse 5 the state “and by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things”. Not from the handbook, monthly magazine or talks for men. Verse 6 “And whatsoever thing is good is just and true: wherefore nothing that is good denyeth the Christ but acknowledge that he is” Verse 8 “And again I exhort you my brethren that ye deny not the gifts of God, for they are many and they come from the same God. And there are different ways that these fits are administered; but it is the same God walketh all in all…” Verse 30 and again I would exalt you that would care unto Christ and may hold upon every good gift and touch not the evil gift her the unclean things.” Doctrine and Covenants 88:118 “And as all have not faith, seek ye diligently and teach one another words of wisdom: yea, seek ye out of the best books thereof wisdom: see learning, by study and also by faith. Have faith in God and not your leaders.

    I testify that Christ visited many people in many different times and gave teachings in many ways. I testify to truth hidden from pridefull eyes in Buddhism, Hinduism, Rastafarianism, Judaism, Paganism and many old world sects. I testify to the truths found in Native American beliefs that are not found in conventional teachings and that were almost eradicated by a combined effort of Military and battalion groups of their day. I testify that the works of the Nemenhah band, an ancient society of this region that guarded records for thousands of years to be allies, prophets and soldiers of God. I testify that the records of the Nemenhah were offered to the LDS Church two times and were refused. The records of the Nemenhah are also known as the Menorah archives. I testify to the truth written in these records by the hands of Moroni, Timothy, of the three Nephites and many other prophets and prophetesses that were inspired by the divine. I testify that within two weeks of asking Heavenly Father to please introduce me to the three Nephites I was given a portion of these records. These records are available to all to read online at I testify that they compliment and further validate the Book of Mormon, Lehi’s journeys, and Christ’s visit to the Americas. I testify that these prophets of old recorded in the Menorah Archives were discouaged from you because of the crystal clear prophecy that uncovers all present day evil in both government and churches.

    Please believe nothing unless you personally pray and ask the creator for confirmation through the prayer of the Holy Ghost, Doctrine and Covenants 46: 7 -12 “…doing all things with prayer and thanksgiving, that ye may not be seduced by evil spirits, or doctrines of devils, or the commandments of men, for some are of men and others of devils. 8 Wherefore, beware lest ye are deceived; and that ye may not be deceived seek ye earnestly the best gifts, always remembering for what they are given. 9 For verily I say unto you, they are given for the benefit of those who love me and keep all my commandments(Section 42), and him that seeketh so to do, that all may be benefited that seek or that ask of me, that ask and not for a sign that they may consume it upon their lusts. 11 For all have not every gift given unto them; for there are many gifts, and to every man is given a gift by the spirit of God. 12 To some is given one, and to some is given another, that all may be profited thereby. I testify that the legal department of the LDS Church hampered publication of these ancient records, excommunicated members and even had a true seer prophet of the Nemenhah jailed. I testify after reading these works that they are good, just and true. I testify that they are the record spoken of in Jacob 3:13-14, 3 Nephi 26:6-11, 3 Nephi 28:33-35, 3 Nephi 29:4-6, Words of Mormon 1:10, Mosiah 28:11. I testify to the fulfilling of Moroni’s prophecies that the rest of the Ammonite records would come forth in our times, as they are found in the Mentinah archives.

    Please listen to the works of Abinidi recorded in Mosiah 15. He begs you to listen to the words of all prophets, every one that has opened his mouth to prophecy, everyone that has published peace and brought good tidings. This is so important! It is so important to combine these truths scattered abroad so the messages are clear. Verse 22 “And now the resurrection of all prophets and all those that have believed in their words or all those that have kept the commandments of God shall come forth in the first resurrection therefore, they are the first resurrection. By ignoring faiths such as Buddhism, resurrection or re-incarnation is unclear or even mythical. The truths found in Buddhism helps this all to make sense.

    I testify that the fullness of the Gospel is here on Earth, a little bit here and a little bit there, gifts handed out over time, only hidden by pride, ego, and hardened hearts. I testify that the God of Abram, Moses, Joseph Smith, Book of Mormon, Mentinah archives, Buddhism, Hinduism, Paganism, to be the same loving God and that he is one cool dude. I testify that as fore told in Doctrine and Covenants 101: 94-95 that we will hear and know things that have never been considered, acts and works that will seem strange.

    I testify that his son, your big brother Jesus Christ was here on earth, more than once, to more than one culture, teaching, healing, and loving his fellow brothers and sisters. I testify that if following the precepts of man or allowing yourself to be prideful, or to think you’re the best, or only one will make Gods plan quite incomplete and hazy. Looking under just one rock for spiritual guidance leaves one without a clear path to follow and short on information. 3 Nephi 21:5 Therefore, when these works (Book OF Mormon) and the works shall be wrought among you hereafter shall come forth from the Gentiles (ones to receive the Book of Mormon), unto your seed. Chapter 26:6-10. And now there cannot be written in this book even a hundredth part of the things which Jesus did truly reach unto the people; But behold the plates of Nephi do contain the more part of the things which he taught the people; and I have written them to the intent that they may be brought again unto this people, from the Gentiles according to the words which Jesus hath spoken. And when they shall have received this, which is expedient that they should have first, to try their faith (in God, not churches), and if it shall so be that they shall believe these things then shall the greater things be made manifest unto them. And if it so be that they will not believe these things then shall the greater things be withheld from them, unto their condemnation.” Ironically the test of faith seems to be acknowledging that God talks to and gives revelation to all his children, every single one. And that someone else might know something that you might not yet.

    I testify that Jesus plan is a complete way of life that teaches equality in all things, and natural living away from Babylon. Living Law of Consecration deletes money, the possibility to segregate classes, and promotes a cleaner, unspoiled lifestyle using the gifts given to man by God, instead things made by man from poison. Christ’s plan is true salvation, a path to enlightenment, a method to gain eternal life and to become creators just like your big brother, Jesus Christ, or any other name you may know him by.

    I beg that you will fast and pray when you receive these things. I beg that you ask the Holy Ghost for guidance, and that you accept nothing as truth without his confirmation.

    Ether 8:24 “Wherefore, the lord Commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among ye, that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combinations which shall be among you; or wo be intuit because of the blood of them who have been slain; for they cry from the dust for vengeance upon it, it also upon those who built it up.” 25- For it cometh to pass that those whoso buildeth it seeketh to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations and countries. ..”

    My name is Christian Kenny Heap, born 3-2-1974 and this is my testimony recorded on the 1st of November 2007. I testify the fulfilling of all prophecy is happening all around you, and that the Lords preplanned cleansing of the earth, religions, and the evils that have polluted it is here. I testify that the Mayan Calander is a similar interpertation to calanders used by Abraham, Moses, and Jesus Christ to foretell droughts, famines, and sun darkening, and that the next occurance of the patterns seen in thier times begins November 19th 2007.

    In the name of Jesus Christ. Amen

    Peace, love and all that $#!
    Christian Kenny Heap 3-2-1974
    The MInistry of Alchemy

  6. Well, you learn something new everyday. I didn’t know about the Menorah archives. Thanks for the tip.

  7. In the above post, I kept using the word “we.” “We” are to do this, “we” are to do that, etc. I find that funny, as Moroni was not even speaking to us, the Gentiles. Verses 1-23 of that chapter are speaking directly, and only to, the Lamanites. Moroni starts writing to everyone else only in verse 24. I get the impression that Moroni directed his words about the gifts and powers of the Holy Ghost and about faith, hope and charity, only to the Lamanites because he knew that the Gentiles would reject these things and he wanted to instruct the Lamanites not to do as the Gentiles do.

  8. Found this post, on the subject of Moroni’s intent in chapter 10. To quote the concluding paragraph:

    Allow me close by adding that this post is not to say that a person cannot pray about the truth of the Book of Mormon (whatever that means), but only that this is not what Moroni was asking readers to do. I am merely pointing out that rather than asking readers to pray about the Book of Mormon, Moroni was actually asking readers to pray about the reality of the gifts of the spirit–which were commonly denied in the 19th century (or even in the 21st century).

    Thought it was interesting that it referenced the absence of the best gifts of the Spirit as well.

    Also, the Moroni promise came up in comment #26, 26 and 28 on a Wheat and Tares post on Alma 32 and faith.

  9. The Lord will answer Moroni 10:4 but we must first promise that His positive answer to our prayer will be acted upon . . . by us, in baptism and living as He has asked. It is a bilateral agreement between man (us) and God. Elder Oaks has stated this and I give it to whomever reads this.

  10. I agree with your observations in addition to the idea that as we examine how the ‘Lord has shown mercy to his people’ the most obvious principle it that he consistantly speaks to and blesses the lives of people through prophets. This idea then focuses and strengthens the position of the BofM in not only its contents but also the means by which it has come (through the Prophet Joseph Smith) into the hands of the investigator.

  11. moroni isnt asking about recieving comformation about the B of M, but the LDS belief as a whole contained by the scriptures. if the scriptures, be that as B of M or the holy bible, has some fictional reverence, then so must this post. think deeply about these translated documents. every book ever written in the bible are testimonies of those events that took place. If it was all fiction, it would be a whole different book. thats where faith comes in. you have faith that all documented stories are as real as the person who writes these scriptures while they are happening in that timeline. if you have no faith then you alone have no belief in the lord, or the mericles documented there of.

  12. So let’s say you ask the Lord if the Book of Mormon is NOT true or in other words, you ask Him if it is false (with the presupposition that it is true). The answer you get is a burning in your bosom. How do you interpret the answer? Or, how would you interpret the answer if the answer was a stupor of thought?

    How would we expect the Lord to answer “Is the Book of Mormon NOT true?”

  13. Sue,

    How do you interpret the answer? Or, how would you interpret the answer if the answer was a stupor of thought?

    How would we expect the Lord to answer “Is the Book of Mormon NOT true?”

    You’ll have to answer that question yourself. I have never felt a “burning in my bosom” answer on anything. All I get are revelations of God in which messages are communicated clearly and unmistakably, the Holy Ghost saying, “[This, that and the other.]” However, that said, I have received a stupor of thought on one occasion, as I attempted to write something that the Lord didn’t want me to write, and He kept giving me a stupor of thought until I finally said, “Okay, okay, I’ll stop.” That occurrence wasn’t a normal stupor of thought from fatigue or hunger or whatnot, but a spiritual manifestation that came upon me suddenly and was manifestly apparent as a spiritual effect that God Himself was causing. In other words, my gift of the discerning of spirits immediately recognized it as a stupor send by God, as it was unnatural in every sense, but I was intent upon writing what I was writing and I kept pursuing the matter, and the stupor kept coming suddenly upon me, until I finally threw my hands up, gave up and gave in. It’s impossible to go forth in any endeavor when He’s made up His mind to shut you down.

  14. Does the fact that Moroni’s Promise is expressly directed to the Lamanites make it less relevant or applicable to we Gentiles? Does God given certain promises to specific peoples or nations that aren’t meant to be received by the entire world? Is there danger in “likening to ourselves” each and every promise or directive given in scripture? Do we Gentiles have the right to co-opt the promise given through Moroni to the Lamanites? Who are modern-day Lamanites?

  15. Ben Williams,

    Does the fact that Moroni’s Promise is expressly directed to the Lamanites make it less relevant or applicable to we Gentiles?


    Does God given certain promises to specific peoples or nations that aren’t meant to be received by the entire world?


    Is there danger in “likening to ourselves” each and every promise or directive given in scripture?


    Do we Gentiles have the right to co-opt the promise given through Moroni to the Lamanites?

    Depends on the promises, I guess. But it all comes down to faith. If you approach God with faith, He’ll give you anything you want, including promises He gave to others.

    Who are modern-day Lamanites?

    Per the Doctrine and Covenants, their descendants would be the American Indians.

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