Would the original 13th amendment have resulted in equality, anarchy, both or neither of them?
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Adask has his own blog, called Adask’s law It sounds like he’s a gold bug so I just left some links to some of the bartering currency pictures on one of his posts. (It’s in moderation so who knows if it’ll be approved.)
I’ve heard about this amendment before and I’ve always felt like it would be a fantastic addition to the U.S. Constitution. Unfortunately, I’m not sure what more can be done than what is already being done to get it recognized as ratified.
We have a sort of 13th amendment in our scriptural canon:
Does what goes for the priesthood, which comes from God, the greatest power and authority in the Universe, go also for all other authority systems? If no power or influence can or ought to be maintained by virtue of (fill in the blank authority system), such as “government authority” or “parental authority” or whatever, what are you left with? Force is not listed in that list of how power and authority can or ought to be maintained.
More on the Titles of Nobility Amendment (TONA):
The “Missing Thirteenth Amendment”: Constitutional Nonsense and Titles of Nobility
There is no time limit for ratification, so if the States want this amendment ratified, it can still be done. It just requires three-fourths of the States to ratify it:
“Because their hearts are set so much upon the things of this world, and aspire to the honors of men,”
Wow, it never occurred to me that, that might have been the context that the word “honors” of men was being used.
Very interesting.
I used to read about how the US constitution would one day hang by a thread. And it would be saved by the Elders of Israel. Then I found out that Brigham said what Joseph said is that IF it was going to be saved it would be by the Elders of Israel.
This is just s simple statement of logic. It assumed by Joseph or whoever could have said it that the Elders of the church were the people who were the most active in preserving liberty and the principles of the US constitution. And it can rightly be said that “true” followers of God and therefore the real holders of His priesthood power are the people most active in preserving liberty and the principles God placed in the Constitution. But the group of men who have been given the LDS ordinations are not active in preserving liberty. Many of them are quite active politically in pushing for laws and procedures which destroy the liberty. Some of them even use their influence to teach concepts in direct opposition to “the liberty with which we have been made free”.
Over the years I have found that the Constitution is not being followed by the Federal government in any significant degree. The rights and protection of our flesh are not there as a whole. They are present only to a small degree.
The Secret Combinations have destroyed either by law, regulations or procedure all the rights we really need. Some people take the high spiritual view that our right to freedom of religion has not been destroyed.
The anti polygamy laws are proof that it is not true.
What the guy says is wonderful information. Bu tit is just another example of the evils perpetrated upon the children of God towards the destruction of their God given liberties.
However were the 13th amendment in place what would it matter? We have a second amendment which is plain as language can be and yet a host of laws has been passed on the Federal, state and local levels in 100% violation of this simple God given right.
I have found most people do not understand the meaning of a “right”. A right is something you can do under all circumstances. If there is a governmental or procedural requirement which must be met prior to exercising the right then it is not a right. I don’t care how small or easy it may seem to fulfill.
So although it would be nice if we had an amendment which used the word no “honors” they would get around it so easily by saying only esquires (Juris Doctorates) can be judges. And when asked they could say “Hey it is no honor to be a JD.” And who could dispute that?
In case anyone is wondering no the constitution is not hanging by a thread. I has fallen to the ground and is tramped under the feet of the various levels of government to the point that it affords us no protection at all. Just try quoting it in court sometime or in an IRS audit, or to a policeman as he takes your gun or arrests you for driving without a license. If the Constitution was going to be saved then justice and liberty would be retained in the US. Why then would it be necessary for the Lord to destroy the mighty gentile nation as He said He would in the Book of Mormon?
Seriously. I find it funny that everyone is like “Oh my gosh, Chantdown doesn’t like slavery.” like that is some kind of shocking revelation. “I don’t know why he is even bringing that up?” well… everyone can refer to LDSA’s latest – “Because It Hardens the Heart” and just chalk it up as a whole other level of hypersensitivity to the DISTRACTING media of man. If law isn’t written on our hearts then all the other explorations of legaleese and historical precedence is worthless and almost worse than garbage. Forgive my taking to HEART the words coming out of LDSA’s MIND. Guess I shouldn’t take anyone’s posts seriously. Unless it is coming from a balanced Right and Left Brain standpoint. My bad.
Maybe we should have headings that give disclaimers [ATTENTION what follows is purely left brain uninspired material...do not take it to heart...I'm just Blah Blah Blogging here...so on second thought don't HEART or MIND me.] something along the lines of ‘Mormonism As the Coming State Religion and Other Crazy Thoughts’…except they arent just crazy thoughts. That is a comforting thought, that LDSA we are just crazy…and we don’t have to ‘Watch our thoughts and our words’ like King Benjamin said. But I believe the only true definition of insanity would be doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
I think the “slavery confusion” isn’t that anyone thought you’d like slavery — but that this video isn’t about the present 13th amendment that ended slavery — but is about a lost/ignored original 13th amendment.
Strangely enough, given the description of this missing/covered-up amendment from the video — I’d expect that part of the reason it was swept-under the rug of state was that it would have ended slavery 100 years sooner.
“However were the 13th amendment in place what would it matter?”
“So although it would be nice if we had an amendment which used the word no “honors” they would get around it so easily by saying only esquires (Juris Doctorates) can be judges. And when asked they could say “Hey it is no honor to be a JD.” And who could dispute that?”
Actually, the amendment, as I understand it, prohibits esquires from being citizens or judges.
dyc-
I understand your cynicism and I feel the same way. The powers vying for control would have undoubtedly relentlessly gone to plan b and c if they had not been successful in putting down the original 13th.
Nevertheless, I think it is helpful and instructive to try and understand history and to see what the enemy has done.
It seems to me that if regular people who are not trained in the sophistry of law schools and are not doing the bidding of the Jesuit-Crown, were officiating in the courts, AND if another long forgotten principle known as NULLIFICATION were still in effect, the justice system would be an amazingly fair and compassionate system that was not attempting to put people in prison for profit or political gain.
It seems to me that, arguably, the original 13th might well be described as the anarchy amendment in that it attempts to completely neutralize any form of centralized power beyond the simple, small protocol that it describes..
It promotes “disorder” within government beyond the local level in a positive way in that it prohibits the amassing of a huge centralized “order” of people with special powers and private objectives.
It attempts to literally create a level playing field.
It promotes the nonrecognition of authority beyond the local level of regular everyday people who serve as non-paid facilitators in making sure the God-given rights are not infringed upon.
It promotes the absolute freedom of the individual to the extent that they are not imposing on the God given freedoms of others.
The other reason I find the history behind the lost amendment fascinating is because it may unlock some hidden treasures behind the US history and behind LDS church history.
For instance, we are often told that the war of 1812 was a military conflict fought between the forces of the United States and those of the British Empire over trade restrictions and the impressment of American merchant sailors into the Royal Navy, etc. however, I am now of the opinion that one of the major if not primary reasons had to do with derailing the 13th amendment.
That may well have been what the real underlying issue with Britain was over.
Secondly, we often read section 38 without really having a definitive understanding of how the “powers of darkness” were “prevailing upon the earth”.
Could it be that the “mystery” having to do with decisions and objectives being made in the “secret chambers” to bring about the destruction of the saints “in the process of time” could have had to do with the secret conflict that was currently taking place over the vary issues that the 13th amendment was addressing?
Was God not educating us about how the secret powers use war to obtain their objectives?
“the enemy in the secret chambers seeketh your lives.
Ye hear of wars in far countries, and you say that there will soon be great wars in far countries, but ye know not the hearts of men in your own land.”
Was the civil war not a continuation of the same agenda?
According to section 38 the agenda of the dark powers that were making initiatives in the secret chamber would have be completely negated by going to the Ohio and doing two things:
1- Obtain and live the LAW (42)
2- Be endowed with POWER
Were both of those things accomplished?
Did we in fact “escape the power of the enemy” by obeying the commandment to live the law and obtain the power, or did we fail to escape the power of the enemy?
“I’d expect that part of the reason it was swept-under the rug of state was that it would have ended slavery 100 years sooner.”
Indeed.
As it is now, we are all slaves.
How can we get free? Get rid of our SSN for one thing. And further live without the handouts from the government like public school adn free anything. And further , and this is a real big step live without working for money and without monetizing to work and lives of each other.
It sounds impossible but read one woman’s observations on it.
here is a link http://www.spiritualeconomicsnow.net/solutions/How_I_08.pdf
and here is another in case they close one down
http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/5277173/How_I_Clobbered_Every_Bureaucratic_Cash-Consficatory_Agency_Know
Start reading on page 60 and then at 64 it gets real good. Being truly free of the money system is more than just using barter. We need to free others of being required to earn their living before we can be free of the false judgment.
That first one looks like an interesting read… I’ll have to ingest it when I get time.
I loved the following quote:
“The biggest con game the world has ever known was perpetrated by those who control education, law, media, churches, banks, medicine.
They played upon our innate belief that we must earn our right to life, that we are unworthy, not to trust our intuition, that we must depend upon the authorities, that any punishment we sustain is justified and deserved, that we have no self-generated power, that what is outside our minds is real.
They have confiscated our health, wealth, love, and peace of mind under this ruse. This scam is known as The Matrix.
How did we ever get conned into believing that we are required to ‘earn’ our living?”
I believe there is an inherent difference between “laboring” by the sweat of one’s brow, vs. “earning a living”.
The use of money enables people to transfer other peoples labor into a commodity that can be unrighteously used in unjust and oppressive ways that result in varying degrees of slavery.
It also enables the banksters to counterfeit certificates of labor.
Although I appreciate your desire to get out of the system by getting rid of your ss number, etc. etc. etc. I am skeptical that true and total freedom and liberty can ever be obtained that way whilest in Babylon.
I don’t think that Babylon and Zion can peacefully co-exist… one will eventually overrule the other (Perhaps that is the foundational principle behind 103:6-8 and Jacob 5:73)
I find it interesting that the scriptures speak about bondage and deliverance in the latter days and the solution they offer seems to be from THE intervention of God and angels rather than man being able to figure out how to out smart a corrupt system and the slave masters that the Lord warned us about and gave two specific keys to the solution that we failed to actuate..
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For the overall yes that is true. God will show us that only His power can make us and keep us free. Yet just as there were those living the gospel before Jesus preached in in Jerusalem There are even now pockets of people living outside all government control. The SC is certainly trying to eliminate those pockets but as they tighten their grip more people will find way to get away also. It is like some one having the greater priesthood during a time when the vast majority have only the levitical .the house of Israel in Egypt vs Jethro’s tribe.