It maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no [one]‘s person


When Jesus quoted, “Is it not written in your law, I said, ‘Ye are Gods‘?” [John 10:34]  He was making the point that though He preachs Himself as the Son of God – the good news is that you are too!  God becomes flesh in everyone of us as well – and it is by the putting on of a “person” [persona, meaning mask].  It’s in how we take the word and make it flesh ourselves.  Taking our myths literally [meaning according to the literature, or as it reads].  Choosing the images that we will bring to life by living according to them.

But if the actor gets too into his part and forgets he is acting – he could then become a “hypocrite” [hypocrites, meaning actor].

Galatians 2:6 tells us that God accepts no one’s “person” – He doesn’t care about my mask, or the game I play, the “Self” I go around saying that I am.  Jesus said, “deny your Self” – quit the act and repent ["to change the mind"] of that stuff.  Stop parading around in your persona like it’s something special.  Have the same mind in you which was also in Christ Jesus, thinking equality with God was not something He needed to be grasping at — but rather devoted Himself to being a servant [Philippians 2:5-8].

Jesus’ teachings are dangerous to any -archist situation:

However, once gone, the clergy took Jesus and said, “Well fine, He was the Son of God – but let it stop right there.  We don’t want anybody else causing that kind of trouble.”  So He was relegated safely upstairs where no one else would get the same mind in them – and start being a big nuisance.

In order to make the gospel more useful/practical, it gets reduced down to some simple set of principles – as if Jesus’ main goal was to make 1st century Judean life easier.  In fact, ease of life seemed to be the furthest thing from His mind.  The gospel comes with full disclosure – following Jesus can be hazardous to your health and to your relationships with others.  When Jesus said, “Take up your cross and follow me,” the original context of the phrase meant, “to die on one,” which was a reason why many people didn’t really want to follow Him back then.  However, these days it means:  putting up with fellow church members you don’t particularly like, sitting through boring meetings, getting rid of this or that bad habit, or not getting angry in bad traffic on your commute, etc.

The things Jesus was all about [the miraculous works of the Father] are entirely outside of the scope of normal, human experience.  In time, the whole of the kingdom He preached was to be manifest to all – but certain things got labeled “spiritual” and others as “historical”.  So things like physical resurrections, literal second comings, supernatural gifts, prophecies, tongues, healings, and revelations were all ruled out and labeled as spiritual concepts.  Now everyone could join the church of the King who never reigned.  A triumphant rule was never a part of the program, you see – so the Gentiles get what they wanted, a church patterned after their idea of what a church should be.

The gospel is just another moral school of thought without active spiritual gifts, powers, miracles, and signs following them that believe.  It’s just another set of creeds or principles for civil policy and governance – one without the embarrassing holes in its hands and feet.  Salvation becomes a self-help program.  Christ-like discipline boils down to the “7 principles of…” or the “4 R’s of…”, etc.  When dead to the gifts of Holy Spirit, the gospel will be used to work for men and women – rather than working on them — creating them as new creatures patterned after the person of Jesus Christ.

Left-brain, right-brain, and the nature of “real”:

As I was reading the scriptures one day recently, I thought out-loud to myself:

“These are just arrangements of ink on paper, what makes me expect them to alter my physical reality?”

This post is the same thing – arrangements of pixels on a screen.  Such things don’t seem “real” — in our Western-sense of the word — so how can they “do” anything?

Reality, at first glance, seems to be a simple thing.  There is an endless detail of a physical, material world ever present and surrounding me.  These things are real because I can measure them with yardsticks, voltammeters, scales, etc.  You know, real stuff.

But now there’s the mind.  This immaterial knot of memories, ideas, and feelings that we call “ourself” also exists – just not in some measurable sense that science can describe.  Consciousness is not quantifiable, yet this fuzzy mosaic of awareness is the truest reality we can ever really know.

The “here-and-now”, material aspect demands our immediate attention.  The inner world of feelings and ideas are dismissed as “less important” – even though our physical world and entire civilization was once naught but ideas.  Our entire material experience is actually founded on a realm of consciousness who’s nature and geography we’ve allowed to largely go unexplored.

Before our Age of Reason, human beings had bona-fide strategies for interacting with imagination and the mind.  Their complicated magical systems and pantheons of Gods, Goddesses, demons, and spirits were all the images and names they used to label the powerful human forces.  These were the ancients’ attempts at mapping the whole of human existence – the physical as well as the non-.  They used the macro [planets] to symbolize the micro [levels of awareness/understanding].  They personified human desires, virtues, fears, and vices as the pantheons of Gods and demons as an attempt to better understand them, deal with them, and in some cases – become them.

The domain of the right-brain is [for the most part] a savage landscape that we wander without a map – because we’ve thrown them out with Atlantis, buried under the waves of left-brain rationalism.

The left-brain, conscious attention takes the “fuzz” of the external reality and draws nice little lines around things to give definition and order.  It uses invented intervals of measure [like inches, pounds, seconds, etc.] to construct a kind-of “grid” that can be placed on top of existence in order to better focus on parts of it and describe it.

It represents our human ability to focus on individual “here-and-now”s and “this-and-that”s.  It provides us with that sensation of “self” as some skin-encapsulated center of will/activity in the world, which is entirely an illusion [meaning it's a matter of convention, or an invention, a tool].  As a function of the left-brain-mind, it is only one part of you, the tip of all existence that pokes up through the surface.  It is this aspect that emphasizes [notices] separateness.  The left-brain can only see the parts, the bits, the boundaries of distinction [which can be helpful] – but if we’re not careful, we can start to think that the whole universe is naught but the particles and ignore the waves.  We see the images the left-brain uses to look at, think about, and interact with the rest of the world — but we can forget about the whole picture underneath.

We take something like nature, which is amoral, impartial, and anarchic — and come in and bring judgments like kindness and cruelty, meaning and order to the whole thing.  Nature itself, outside of our left-brain consciousness, is a blank canvas for our projection, and humans have been working for millennia to make nature a safe, organized place.

We’ve come up with city-states, monetary systems, concepts of property, monogamy, monoculture, etc., but no one realized how boring the whole thing would become.  Now we have the whole world property-lined, zoned, speed-limited, paved, taxed, regulation, registered, addressed, and licensed.  But nobody left room for life.  With no possibility of real disaster and chaos, we have no chance at real salvation and peace.  The same systems we made to keep us safe are the same ones that condemn us boredom.

Any attempt to control a single variable in a natural system will only result in more variables becoming chaotic.  This is because a natural system is at rest.  It is at equilibrium and it can stay at equilibrium without any energy input.  When force is applied to one part of the system, the other parts react proportionately in an attempt to restore that equilibrium point.  This is man’s fall, which is pride – trying to control the world, instead of being spontaneous as we suppose children or animals to be.  Until we reach the point we are at currently, where we spend most of our energy fighting to control what our attempts at control have caused.

However, there is a vast world beneath the left-brain’s conscious, “here-and-now” attention.  There is the “flood-light” consciousness of the right-brain-heart.  Here is where we can see the whole picture.  We can “zoom out” and see the Self that is below the surface [not just the front we put up for a nice display, like an embroidery], and we can see the connections that exists between other Self’s.

Jesus would want us to bring on the apocalypse:

So, really, the “unreal” is often more powerful than the “real”.  Think about what’s more powerful:

  • the physical computer you are looking at
  • or the idea of a computer.

Which has altered human existence to a greater extent – any one, physically real computer, or that nebulous idea of a computer?

Only ideas are immortal.  Stone crumbles, wood rots, paper decays, and people die.  But an idea – something as whisper-fragile as a dream – can endure.  It can change the way people think, the way they see themselves and the world – and that’s what will change the world.

The world is not this physical planet or the life that’s on it.  The “world” is our systems, politics, economics, bank notes, and borders – it’s our ideas about the world.  We term the end of the world “apocalypse” – which is nothing but the Greek word for revelation.  An earth-shattering revelation bringing about the biggest change in the human state of mind – large enough to completely end this world and usher in a new earth.

You see, the four horsemen don’t cause the apocalypse – just look around — they’ve been riding for millennia.  They are a description of how the world is:

  • Statism
  • War
  • Famine
  • Death

They are the reason we need an apocalypse.

And Jesus was that revelation — He brings that apocalypse.  His miracles were meant to show His disciples how to have a world without those horsemen:

  • There will be no hungry, so He feeds them
  • There will be no sickness, so He heals it
  • There will be no devils, so He casts them out
  • There will be no storms, so He calms them
  • There will be no death, so He raises the dead

Our life here on this world simply isn’t one of those things for which the concept of “meaning” has any purpose or beneficiality.  There is no sensical answer given to “What is the answer to the ultimate question of life?” because the question is itself non-sensical.  And life is not something we can just dream, wish, manifest, affirm, or BE into the shape we want it to be in — using the law of attraction, positive affirmations, prayers, etc.

Life is one big drama, it’s an act.  If it were a genre of acting, life would be improv.  I did improv in Speech and Drama in high school.  The number one rule they taught us when practicing for competitions was – you are not the most important person in the scene, everyone else is, and your job is to pay attention to them and help them out.  It all works because, well, you are in the scene too – and that same rule applies to you too [from the others’ perspective].  Thus, like life, there are no “leaders” in charge of the scene – only a group of servants serving the servants.

Life is not about achieving some “goal” at the end [whether we define it as a healthy retirement in this life, or this or that version of heaven in the next] – it’s like a dance, or a song.  The whole point of dancing is not to end up with your feet in a particular position on that part of the floor – the whole point of dancing is to dance.  The whole point of singing is not to get to that last note – but the whole point of music is all of the notes played.  It’s meant to be fun, but most of us turn into “that guy” – you know, the one when you’re playing flag football or Monopoly and he starts taking the whole thing too seriously, forgetting the whole thing was began as a way to play a game.

Life is about the acting – not the actor or the actress.  It’s interesting that we call God “The Supreme Being” – when “being” is a verb.  God is The Ultimate Doing – and we should be about doing the same thing, singing the same song.

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  1. That was awesome it made me think of when a comp of mine went off on an investigator. teaching the churchs version of the word of wisdom to a rastafarian guy and my comp was all uptight and in his gril telling him how bad of a sin smoking weed is, the guy just sat back in his chair with a baffled look on his face like you have got to be kidding me. When my comp finished his little tirade the guy just looked at him and said “man you need to relax you dont seem happy at all”. Members of the church are so caught up with the “very serious” business of preparing to meet god that they end up being like a guy who dug all his life with a golden shovel trying to find some deep hidden treasure that someone had told him about. Moses 6:61-62

  2. Elder — great story. You know, I think Romans 14 should really be our marching orders:

    Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth [only vegetables]. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

    One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

    But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

    Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother’s way. I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

    etc.

  3. Well now I know why my life has been a sh-t pile ever since I decided that Spencer Kimball didn’t have a revelation and got exed without a church trial. I guess it goes with the territory, and then some lame brain tries to tell me that it doesn’t matter they (blacks) should have had the priesthood anyhow and gives me some ridiculous explanation. Those priesthood leaders that went along with it will go to the back of the line to start over, behind those that didn’t have the priesthood in this life. Anyhow I look at this as the abomination of desolation spoken of by Danniel for our time. I have been called a racist, biggot etc, by the Mormons, infact that is usually the first thing that comes out of their mouth just like a bunch of liberals. Every professing saint better figure this out and fast if they want to resonate at the higher frequencies, the earth is changeing fast. D&C 107:40 “The order of this priesthood is confirmed to be handed down from father to son and rightly belongs to the literal decendents of the chosen seed to whom the promises belong” if this was the only scripture given on the subject it is enough, there is no need for any additional scripture. I’ve decided that the Mormons are the most gutless cowards there are. Just look at the wall street protesters, sh-t if the church new that any Mormons were in the protest I’m sure they would ex them just like they do those that don’t pay their taxs to the Luciferian federal reserve. And do you hear anything from the church/Mormons about supprting those “young warriors”? HELL NO THE WHOLE DAMN BUNCH OF THEM CAN GO STRAIGHT TO HELL! Anyhow forgive me if I am a bit overbearing, crude rude etc. But when are the Mormons going to wake up? How about all of you what are you doing to get rid of the Luceferian federal reserve? Are you still giveing your financial resources to build up the Kindom of the Devil? Are you all still paying for immoral wars killing innocent men women and children? And paying for abortions are you all so knieve to think your taxs pays to repair roads, bridges etc. Do you think God will hold you guiltless? If so you had better wake up fast for you are on the precipice of hell, I promise you you will pay for your cowardice! You all can start on your own house the wicked and corrupt leaders of the church, don’t think for one minute that they good ole righteous men , not only are they not feeding the sheep they are devouring the sheep! This is ment to be taken personal if this bothers you then you are who I am speaking to REPENT!! Get off your asses and do something!

  4. Brand nu — or Anon — I’m wondering, when you say:

    I decided that Spencer Kimball didn’t have a revelation and got exed without a church trial. I guess it goes with the territory, and then some lame brain tries to tell me that it doesn’t matter they (blacks) should have had the priesthood anyhow and gives me some ridiculous explanation. Those priesthood leaders that went along with it will go to the back of the line to start over, behind those that didn’t have the priesthood in this life.

    D&C 107:40 “The order of this priesthood is confirmed to be handed down from father to son and rightly belongs to the literal decendents of the chosen seed to whom the promises belong” if this was the only scripture given on the subject it is enough, there is no need for any additional scripture.

    It makes me think about my Scottish/Irish forebearers, who [as far as our scriptures tell us] did not receive any original “promises” themselves.

    As the literal descendent of Western Europeans [who are not the chosen seed to whom promises belong] — did you feel as negatively about me having the rights of the priesthood as you feel about black men having them?

    In other words — I’m asking that since you feel so strongly about Africans not being “the literal descendents of the chosen seed to whom the promises belong” — do you hold that same position to someone like me who also is not? Or maybe could we not grant that promises may have in deed been given to other races, promises that we know that of — until we receive their prophets and their scriptural records come forth?

    I read something like, “[God] hath made of one blood all nations of men” and wonder what good distinctions like “black” people, “white” people, etc. really are. When we start saying D&C 107:40 pertains to Africans — don’t we cut the sword both ways and say it applies to Western Europeans too? And Chinese? Etc.

    What does it mean to you that, “There is neither Jew nor Greek…“?

  5. A little research will reveal to you that you are from the house of Israel and are entitled to those promises, and I must say I am quite surprised that you have not already researched these things, before I made my stand against the new church policy (June of 1978) I spent months researching, fasting and praying on the subject. The ten tribes that were lead out of Israel in 588 BC were taken to eastern Europen initially and latter spread to western Europe, this has been documented and it is easy to research via the internet. Joseph and Brigham made many comments in regards to the abundance of the blood of Israel in western Europe and namely the British Isles, that must be gathered. In fact Brigham stated that the only people that he wanted or would be gathered would be the Israelites of the ten lost tribes. Just a tidbit here the name British in Hebrew is “covenant man” also the land of Dan is the mark of Dan or Denmark, this tribe left on its own in approx 750 BC. There is much that could be written on the subject but thanks to the wonderful internet it is just a finger tip away.I know the church is considered the gentile church but that was only because of it being outside of the Holy land and it being an ensign to the gentiles for the time of receiveing the fullness. I am sure you have read several times in the D&C where the Lord says take the gospel “first to the gentiles and then to the Jews” not at any time did He say take the gospel to the cainnaites. The Jews have been a tough nut to crack and few of them have even begun to accept Christ though it appears there is some headway in that area, Brigham Young said a pure jew would only believe in Christ until Chist comes and stands on the mount. Another interesting scripture and there a few more, is found in Zechariah chap.14 verses 20-21 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses,HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the Lords house shall be like the bowls before the alter. Yea. every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the Lord of host:and all they that shall sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Cainanite in the house of the Lord of hosts. Another D&C86 verses 8-10 Therefore, thus saith the Lord unto you, with whom the priesthood hath continued throught the lineage of your fathers- For ye are lawful heirs, according to the flesh and have been hid from the world with Christ in God therefore your life and the priesthood have remained, and must needs remain through you and your lineage until the restoration of all things spoken by the mouths of all the holy propherts since the world began. And another Alma chap.40 21-22 …………….until the time is appointed of god that the dead shall come forth, and be reunited, both soul and body and be brought to stand before God, and be judged according to their works. yea this bringeth about the restoration of those things which have been spoken by the mouths of the prophets. I am sure this will be an ongoing discourse and I have more to add so ask all the questions you like I am prepared to answer them,thanks and I hope there are more that would like to comment.

  6. Brandnu — this is long, so I expect much of it to get glossed-over/not read all the way — but:

    A little research will reveal to you that you are from the house of Israel and are entitled to those promises, and I must say I am quite surprised that you have not already researched these things

    No — I was quite aware of the claim that Western Europeans are a part of the lost ten tribes. I was making my claim in the hopes you would expound on how if we take things back far enough — one can find that many nations are in fact of Israelite descent.

    Luckily — you did as I had hoped — and now I can point out that a lot of the origins of Cain’s mark = black skin/Ham’s curse = priesthood restriction came from Victorian English attempts to justify African slavery. The Cain’s mark story is the Bible author’s attempt to explain the existence of the nomadic Sleb tribes of Arabia. These people were qayin [the word translated as "Cain" -- meaning, "workers in metal"]. Their cultural traditions explain that they are nomadic because, “the ground does not yield fruit to them.” Also, as a tribal group — they are known to take seven-fold revenge on someone who kills one of their tribe. Etc.

    Every generation back we go in time, the number of forebearers a person has increases at an exponential rate [2 parents, 4 grandparents, 8 g-grandparents, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, etc.]. So let’s do a mental exercise with me for a second and wind the clock back to a date you selected above [588 BC] and ponder the exponential number of forebearers scattered across the globe by that event. Now tell me what are the odds that each-and-every black person alive today does not have a single one of those people in their family tree?

    It cuts both ways too — now let’s say we can grant that Cain’s curse = black Africans [which I don't] — and now let’s say that being of his lineage disqualifies someone from receiving the rights of the priesthood, what would you say are the odds that you or I have absolutely zero Cainite/Hamite/whatever ancestors anywhere throughout the thousands of years since those events took place?

    Essentially, there is pretty flimsy evidence to assert that the historical character named Cain of the bible — is solely a forebearer of black Africans and that his lineage is found in no other human-being on Earth. Not only that — Cain [and Ham, if you're going to go there too] would be the ancestors of Arabs [ever seen pictures of Egyptians -- hint: they're not black].

    Let’s all just take as granted that the current scriptural record we have in the Bible is a pretty incomplete picture concerning the affairs of God throughout the whole human race. The Bible is the book that’s come by way of the Jew — it is their record — so guess what, it deals primarily with Arabians.

    I think, until the scriptural record is more complete, with the prophetic records that will come forth from Western and Eastern Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia, Pacific Islands, etc. — we should stick to the scriptures I quoted above [that you didn't address in your response to me]:

    I read something like, “[God] hath made of one blood all nations of men” and wonder what good distinctions like “black” people, “white” people, etc. really are. When we start saying D&C 107:40 pertains to Africans — don’t we cut the sword both ways and say it applies to Western Europeans too? And Chinese? Etc.
    What does it mean to you that, “There is neither Jew nor Greek…“?

    Race is but another “persona” — another mask. The main component of racial distinction is skin color — which is composed largely of just two things:
    (1) Melanin, which is in response to oxidative stress of UV light
    (2) Blood, which is visible through the skin in the vascular system

    Now — let’s really stretch our imaginations and think about how much protection from oxidative stress a resurrected body, which will also not quickened with hemoglobin — will be needing. So, I’ll ask again:

    * Given a future state in which no resurrected bodies will be colored by melanin and hemoglobin,
    * Given that God has made of one blood every nation of mankind,
    * And given that, as far as the gospel is concerned, “there is neither Jew nor Greek”…

    Why are we going to live-and-die by a doctrine of Afro-exclusion from the priesthood — when it’s on such flimsy ground to begin with? Shouldn’t we pick a better hill to die on than that?

    You know — I’ve been thinking about putting my thoughts together on human races for a future post — but haven’t yet. If anything Brandnu/Anon, our exchange has caused me to do so.

  7. For, behold, I say unto you that Zion shall flourish, and the glory of the Lord shall be upon her; and she shall be an ensign unto the people, and there shall come unto her out of every nation under heaven. (D&C 64:41-42)

    Wouldn’t that include African nations?

    And it shall be called the New Jerusalem, a land of peace, a city of refuge, a place of safety for the saints of the Most High God; and the glory of the Lord shall be there, and the terror of the Lord also shall be there, insomuch that the wicked will not come unto it, and it shall be called Zion. And it shall come to pass among the wicked, that every man that will not take his sword against his neighbor must needs flee unto Zion for safety. And there shall be gathered unto it out of every nation under heaven; and it shall be the only people that shall not be at war one with another. (D&C 45:69)

    Again, would that not include African nations? Also, if Zion will not be established by unrelated persons, wouldn’t that mean that all these races coming from every nation under heaven would be engaging in inter-racial marriages?

    Q. What are we to understand by sealing the one hundred and forty-four thousand, out of all the tribes of Israel—twelve thousand out of every tribe?

    A. We are to understand that those who are sealed are high priests, ordained unto the holy order of God, to administer the everlasting gospel; for they are they who are ordained out of every nation, kindred, tongue, and people, by the angels to whom is given power over the nations of the earth, to bring as many as will come to the church of the Firstborn. (D&C 77:11)

    Wouldn’t that include African nations, meaning that people of the African race would be receiving the high priesthood?

  8. Justin i for one would really like to see that post on the human races. And anon im surprised that out of all the events of apostacy of the church you chose to stand against blacks and the priesthood. Why not the discontinuation of plural marrige the total disregard of the law of concecration changes to the temple ordinances or better yet our nice 501 c3 corperate status with its terms and conditions. i think we have alot more to worry about than people with dark skin recieving the priesthood:) but what do i know. Also anarchist you mentioned inter racial marrige i know brigham youngs opinion on it but do you think the lord really cares i dont think if does but im un educated so maby you could give me the knowledge. Thanks a bunch :)

  9. All races were [at one point] a single race — the family of Adam and Eve. The division into separate races is a function of unique human conditions — meaning “race” is a form of the human ability to adapt to environmental conditions surrounding them.

    As a part of the restoration of all things [as LDSA brought up] — the gospel will be taken to every tribe, nations, kindred, tongue, etc. on the earth — gathering these races of men back into the one, single human family.

  10. With all due respect and I cannot express that enough ,it seems inconsistent to break from the LDS church bcause of its condemanation of polygamy and yet accept its reversal of the priesthood segregation. If the tree is poisoned then also is the fruit or in other words you can’t get good fruit from a bad tree. You must ask yourself this question, had the church not desgregated the prieshood would you have even considered it?

    Interesting enough the church has given up all its most controversial doctrines. Just think about it for a moment, and you will realize that the church today resembles little the church that Joseph restored.

    Starting with polygamy which was considered at one time one of the church’s most fundamental tennants. Next comes the “united order.” Heber j. Grant under the threat of excommunication took the church off the united order and into the specie money system. Since that time the church has been part of the financing of the kingdom of the devil namely the private federal Illuminati banking system. Next comes the desegegation of the priesthood, a reversal of a 6000 year old doctrine. All three of these tennents of the church in their respective time were very controversial and all three came under intense governmental opposition.

    It makes one wonder where it will stop if it ever does. The long term results of these doctrinal changes are interesting to say the least. Had the church not given up plural marriage and ultimately prevailed on the constitutional grounds of freedom of religion do you think that they today would be looking at the possibility of haveing to accept homosexual marriage? Or how about this what if the church had been remained faithful to the united order and upheld its covenent to be an ensign to the nations. Does it seem plausible that the rest of the country would have seen the genuis of our systems and rejected the Luciferian monetary systen? Isn’t that what it means to be light on a hill?

    It yet remains to be seen the long term effects of the desegregation of the priethood. This much I do know there has been mixed mariages since the desegregation. And it was a prophsied in the 85 sec of the D&C in reference to Ezra, check it out! This is strong inference and the penalty fits the crime.

  11. and you will realize that the church today resembles little the church that Joseph restored.

    So are you not counting the fact that Joseph ordained a black man to an office in the Melchizedek priesthood?

    Next comes the desegegation of the priesthood, a reversal of a 6000 year old doctrine.

    Sorry friend — but you failed to address my explanation that banning black Africans from receiving the priesthood has nothing to do with Cain and/or Ham — but has everything to do with white Europeans’ justifications of slavery.

    Also — you failed to address LDSA’s explanation that prophetic scriptures refer to a time when every nation, kindred, tribe, and people-group will have priests ordained from among them.

  12. I will quickly address these as I am starting to tire, Joseph ordained a black man and went back and reversed the ordination.
    the Pearl of Great Price refers to the egyptians fain laying claim to the priesthood, they were of that lineage that was cursed as pertaining to the piesthood. Twelve thousand high priests frome each of the twelve tribes of the house of Israel, these all are descendents of the covenant lineage to whom the promise were made. And I’m sure you know there is much more

    It is a trap to over intellectulize the scriptures, we will be judged from the books that are written. there is nothing that cannot be rationalized away to fit a private agenda.

    Did I miss something?if I did run it back pass me if you would please. Soon I will give up on this, this is a last attempt to offer the deeper aspects of truth, if i don’t see success i will accept the fact it is what it is, and keep the deeper things a mystery.

    Just a bit, the memories of the fathers are retained in the genetics, it is written “turn the hearts of the fathers to the children and the hearts of the children to the fathers” lest I smite the earth with a curse, for every sealing that fails there shall be a curse. There is to be an unbroken chain of priesthood through the covenant lineage al the way back to Father Adam. Some chains will have missing links. Sincerely Brand Nu; “a brand lucked from the fire”

  13. Before I vibrate at your higher wavelength, Brandnu — you’ll have to demonstrate:

    How does Cain and/or Ham get me to black Africans? What you’ve been saying relies on me accepting that two Biblical characters [whose are the ancestors of Arabian people] are the one-and-only forebearers of black Africans, and that no other racial group has the blood/genes of Cain and/or Ham in them.

    Further, Cain’s curse mentions nothing about rights of the priesthood or black skin — and Ham’s curse, which does mention priesthood, is said to pertain to Egyptians [who aren't black].

    Further — I brought up how black skin is solely a function of the coded amount of melanin called for in dermal tissue, which itself is a human adaptation to oxidative stress caused by UV radiation. How can a human adaptation to the environment in which they live be a basis on which to justify exclusion from the rights of the priesthood?

    How do your “the memories of the fathers are retained in the genetics” fit in with the scriptural, “[God] hath made of one blood all nations of men“? If we’re going to have an “unbroken chain of priesthood through the covenant lineage al the way back to Father Adam” — then you have to better demonstrate how excluding anyone with a certain amount of the wrong racial genes will get excluded — I’d be careful b/c for all you know, 80 or so generations ago [when there are about 1.21x1024 different humans you are related to], there are good odds that someone somewhere in there was at some point in human history related to Cain or Ham — and then you’ll be axed out too. See how crazy it can get?

    What good is your race-doctrine in a gospel that is without, “[either] Jew [or] Greek“? Or does that scripture means something other than — “there are no racial distinctions”?

    You are taking something that is conventional, applying only to unique human conditions on earth [i.e. race] and turning it into some eternal, everlasting principle — like there will be white, Asian, black, or Hispanic, etc. people in the resurrection. It’s absurd — or, as you put it, a “mystery”. Lol.

  14. Another thing I just thought of real quick:

    When the scriptures describe that resurrected persons will come forth in either the resurrection of just or the resurrection of the unjust — it is saying that there will only be two discernible groups [or races] of human beings — the just and the unjust.

    All those who come forth in the resurrection of the just will have a new body, patterned after the body of Christ, which is patterned after the body of God [meaning we'll all have the same "genes"].

    Now — what makes a person “just” or “unjust”? Not merits, not lineage — solely the state of the person’s right-brain-heart, and their faith in Jesus Christ. To bring us back to the OP — race is a “persona”, part of the “Self” that Christ said to deny — God looketh on the right-brain-heart of man, which has nothing to do with their genetic lineage and supposed curses on black Africans.

  15. So — now that I think the race issue is pretty well covered [unless Brandnu is coming back to connect the dots of:
    Cain’s curse –> Ham curse –> only modern black Africans not receiving priesthood…

    In the comments on Joana Smith’s most recent post, I wrote:

    I’m passionate about community — the kind of real community that only happens properly and sustainably when b/c it’s based on kinship [rather than just a shared belief in the gospel, or like-mindedness] — rather than trying to make a community [which is the result of familial love] attempt to produce the kinship bonding.

    Connectivity is the key I think — all we have are our tribal connections — that’s the only thing that’s real [by which I mean enduring]. I want a community that’s all about spreading and deepening those connections. All else is peripheral and conventional to me.

    For a time, humans gathered only according to their tribe and their land. Human “advancement” has really just meant that we could start “bonding” through commerce, or information, etc. — making communities out of largely unrelated persons.

    But I think we’ve had all the technology and advancement that we can handle. I mean, how many more different props and costume changes can a single play on a single stage have? How many more shiny things can I own?

    The price of this great advancement is that few of us find fulfillment in the work we do on this earth anymore — few of us have time to cook healthy food and raise healthy families — and by the time most of us stop working the jobs we don’t really like, our health and family is so damaged that we’ll spend the remaining years alone, medicated in a nursing home.

    Modern societies leave many feeling alone and detached from a tribal sense of community. And I think something like social-media comes in [as a response to our feelings of detachment] and says it can fix it. But it can’t provide fulfilling community and life any more than reading the scriptures can cause someone to be saved. The myths aren’t physical — until a human being takes the word and makes it flesh. Facebook friends aren’t connections — until we meet the face that’s only been [up until then] in the book.

    We keep getting bogged down in the myths. We fall for images and representations of real things, rather than what’s being imaged and represented [especially in religious matters].

    We can’t get bogged down in the images. We need to start taking our myths literally — which means, “according to the literature [the word]“. Taking the images and making them into physical reality.

    I think that’s part of what this post was about…

  16. OK — more concerning what I essentially just block-quoted above.

    In the OP, I wrote that the left-brain-mind:

    represents our human ability to focus on individual “here-and-now”s and “this-and-that”s. It provides us with that sensation of “self” as some skin-encapsulated center of will/activity in the world, which is entirely an illusion [meaning it's a matter of convention, or an invention, a tool]. … It is only one part of you, the tip of all existence that pokes up through the surface. It is this aspect that emphasizes [notices] separateness. … only see[ing] the parts, the bits, the boundaries of distinction [which can be helpful] – but if we’re not careful, we can start to think that the whole universe is naught but the particles and ignore the waves. We see the images the left-brain uses to look at, think about, and interact with the rest of the world — but we can forget about the whole picture underneath.

    In life, there is always an interchange between two personality types [what Alan Watts defined as]: prickles and goo — but I’d call the same thing left-brain and right-brain — you could call it swords and cups — matter and mind — etc.

    The prickly people are advocates of intellectual rigor, precise statistics, and clear logic. They are known very well in academic circles – where the people are always edgy. They like everything chopped-up, clear-cut, well-defined. And they accuse the other group of being disgustingly vague, subjective, and mystical — off in their own heads. They are the unbalanced left-brain dynamic — the princess trapped in the tower [of rational male suns].

    But the vague/mystical people accuse the pickley people of being mere skeletons with no flesh on their bones. They might say of the prickly people, “You know the words, but you don’t know the music.” They see the pieces in the context of the whole — the synergies and the interplays. They are the unbalanced right-brain dynamic — the lunatic [female lunar], werewolf, “out of their mind” [which strangely means too much in your own head].

    And so therefore, if you’re prickly — you think the ultimate constituent of matter is particles. If you’re gooey — you think it’s waves. If you’re prickly — you’re a Classicist. If you’re gooey — you’re a Romantic. In classicial philosophy, the prickly-types are the positivists, and the gooey-types are the idealists.

    But the nature of the universe is neither prickles nor goo – it’s gooey prickles and prickly goo. It’s neither left-brain-minds or right-brain-hearts — but both in proper balance. It all depends on your perspective.

    If you’re looking for prickly things — you’ll see them. Look with all your measurements, tools, and intervals and you’ll see structure, shape, clearly outlined boundaries, clearly defined persons and events.

    Look from the right-brain-heart and everything goes goes out of focus and you’ve got goo. You’ve got connected idea-space and morphic fields, etc.

    But you can’t separate them because they go together like insides and outsides — like male and female. You lose one and you’ll lose all concept of the other.

  17. The race discussion although off topic really answered alot of questions iv had thanks :)

  18. Oh — don’t get me wrong — I love off topic, so long as the discussion makes me think about new things. That’s what I like about the comment policy here — as opposed to other blogs that beat with the on-topic stick.

    I had never written down my views on race prior to Brandnu/Anon’s comment about the repeal of the black African priesthood ban — so I enjoyed it.

    It’s just that I had more to say on the subject of this post — so I reverted back.

  19. Come now let us reason together and I will show you my strong reasoning. If I didn’t know better I would say that some one doesn’t believe in ” lawful heirs” as stated in D&C 86; 8-10, “Therefore, thus saith the Lord unto you,with whom the prieshood hath continued through the lineage of your fathers. For ye are lawful heirs, according to the flesh, and have been hid from the world with Christ in God. Therefore your life and the priesthood have remained, and must needs remain through you and your lineage until the restoration of all things spoken by the mouths of all the Holy Prophets since the world began.”

    I wonder if this srip. makes you uncomfortable because if there are those that are “lawful” then who are those that are “unlawful”? Please I ask you who are those that are “unlawful”? If you say they are not the black race then you have taken a position of authority to tell us who they are, so who are they? If you say you don’t know who they are. Where do you get the authority to tell us who they are not?

    Brigham Young adressed this in depth. Do you believe him to be a prophet of God? He claimed authority in this matter an stated clearly that it was the African race, so why do you dispute it?

    You want me to draw a straight line of descendents back to Cain or Ham, you know this is not possible if it were,someone would have done it long ago and there would have never been a change in priesthood.

    “All one blood”, even Brigham said this but not them same gentics, not the same gene pool! I could get a blood transfusion from a black African but my genetics would not change. As I said,even Brigham said this but he didn’t backtrack on his previous position, or as they say today “flip flopped”.

    I feel disappointed that we have to go back to simple basics. I fear we shall never get past them, Remember that which is from the beginning is plainly manifest. The priesthood has always been segregated, even to the beginning. And yes of course in the resurrection there shall no diff, but also they shall be as diff. as the stars in heaven. Sincerely Brand Nu.

  20. Hey Justin.. thanks for involving me in your discussion. I always enjoy reading your stuff, and I like the way your style meanders and manages to be both prickly and gooey, it’s fun! It’s taken me a couple of days to think about what I wanted to say to you about this. It’s really lovely, and I didn’t want to just blurt something out. I’m bad with blurting…and I’m trying to stop. I’m glad that you noticed my image posts on Elephant a year ago (seeing from when your posts on this site date back to, it seems like we both started blogging at around the same time) and we have a lot of similar views, so I’m glad that we can start to engage in some sort of group discussion on persona, (or Person).

    “I did improv in Speech and Drama in high school.”

    …… me too. The rule I always thought was useful was the, “never say no” rule. If a partner proposes a new direction, you have to go. If you don’t it stops the action of the scene, and stopping the scene would be death. I always try to follow the action. The dance, as you refer to it.

    I really like this paragraph:
    “We’ve come up with city-states, monetary systems, concepts of property, monogamy, monoculture, etc., but no one realized how boring the whole thing would become. Now we have the whole world property-lined, zoned, speed-limited, paved, taxed, regulation, registered, addressed, and licensed. But nobody left room for life. With no possibility of real disaster and chaos, we have no chance at real salvation and peace. The same systems we made to keep us safe are the same ones that condemn us boredom.”

    I see what you mean………….I’m listening to traffic go by my house right now, We live on a busy street. Most days I ride my bike next to SUV’s to pick up my kids at school, but today I had to use the car and I got into a crazy senseless traffic jam in a parking lot–which is, the worst kind to me. Just feels so POINTLESS! All this strange 3-point shuffling of big awkward cars, engines left idling (for 15 minutes) running stinky, expensive gasoline into the air., this stuff that we fight wars for! On a day that was warm, 80’s in Houston…just getting stinkier and hotter feeling. I was thinking about how silly it all was, and why doesn’t everyone just get out and walk???…. But we couldn’t because we had created the mess. We were powering it! ..Usually, when I’m riding my bike, I’m next to those vehicles -who often think they’re so big that they have to drive CLEAR IN THE OTHER LANE to go around me. Are these cars getting bigger, I think? What is going on? These Escalades and Hummers… Why is that even considered attractive? ..Or comforting, or desirable? or safe ….It’s not! But it makes us feel that way. The structure. What is wrong with this picture? People around here like to build the biggest House that they can fit, and they have these tiny backyards that they pave with concrete anyway, and then they sit inside on their couches, then they go drive in their cars, then they eat lots of food, and that’s supposed to make them happy. They work for it, fight tooth and nail, sacrifice days. It’s just silly to me.. It’s like we’re choking ourselves. ..I look at these trees next to the road and their roots are next to the concrete and I think, “we should be more like them.” But we have to want it more.. You have to know who you are before you can change. I remember when I was younger, every new school year was like an opportunity. I liked to change. I like fashion that way too, in that it’s always changing. It’s also fun to repurpose. Adding a new twist to an old object can completely resurrect it….We need a new collective dream. And we need people dreaming more, their own dreams. I love color, too. Color is totally free.

    ….I was going past the cinema today and saw all these posters outside for movies I’d never heard of starring actors I’d never heard of (since I started my GreenMommy Revolution blog three years ago I haven’t really kept up with Movies/television)…but the people and the movies looked that perfect sort of predictable way where I knew I had seen that schtick a thousand times…. and was beyond bored of it. At some point, I realized that sitcom people would never get any better. And also, that they would never be me! So I stopped caring, and rather than sitting and getting all wrapped up in some character’s journey written by cheesey writers, I should energize my passions toward materializing my own. It’s about finding out who you are/ I think that as Christians, that is what God calls us to do. To realize our stories. It’s not hard (but it does take energy). You just have to be willing to go in the direction of the spirit’s urging, allow the Spirit to work on us, *like you said* opposed to, trying to make it work for us..But it’s still our hand, we must make a mark, make a cut that begins the new world…We must stand. Most people think they need “Acquiring.” Big concrete streets for their BIG cars, so they can buy more BIG plastic STUFF, but that is so far different from the world (the Earth), the dirt, that God gave us, that chaos that grows life.. Truly living is not about “Acquiring.” We can reduce, and be happier. Smell flowers… not cut ones from the supermarket, we don’t need perfect flowers, flowers growing in the dirt is fine. God gave us those.

    …..And what you say about how sitting in front of a computer looking at pixels doesn’t change the *real* world in the same way as than reading the scriptures doesn’t bring about salvation…Yeah, the facebookland, the wires and cables…You’re right, it’s what we have created to deal with the separation. ….But what else are we supposed do? The world is big, but it suddenly feels smaller when I look into my screen and see you. My family is scattered everywhere… And I have to say, my little brother has been on facebook more this past week, and I feel more connected with him, Of course it doesn’t hold a candle to what we could do if we were actually getting to share our real life. I remember real life with him and I loved it, but I don’t get to have it anymore, it’s too expensive to travel overseas, so the wires, the images, they are a sad and inadequate alternative to the real, but they help scratch that itch (just a little), they do.

    Anyway, Justin, your thoughts…as always, were so deep that I could probably just write a book responding and then I would be here for days, and that’s not what you said, you said God is about DOING and BEING. ..So I’ll go now, and thanks! But maybe if you respond back we can talk more about it… I liked the waves and structure/grid part, too…………

  21. Great post Justin really good. Okay everybody this is DYC4557. One of the contributors. So much has happened since I tuned in to this wonderful blog and became friends and cohorts of so many here. My mind and heart have been growing and accepting change at a rapid pace. So often I will be receiving learning from God about certain truths and come to this blog to see Justin or LDSA or someone who is commenting have been getting the same message.
    I have not read all the comments nor will I. I have full confidence that Justin has been handling them well.
    Time is precious. I will only state the truths which I feel God want people to know. You can disagree, call me names etc what ever. It is even funny to think about how it won’t hurt me nor will it change the truth. But I warn you if you read what I write one thing you can’t do is unhear the truth I will state. You can possibly even forget it for a while. But even if you do that sometime in the future it will be returned to your mind or heart and will work on you
    Justin talks about “city-states, monetary systems, concepts of property, monogamy, etc” Well all of that every bit of it is BS. It should not exist. And it only exists because people bow down to it. Those that will live in the terrestrial world will be those who will no longer bow down to it.
    As I see time getting closer and as it were shorter and I get smarter my tolerance for BS is smaller.
    You were made free and it was never intended that there be any other humans standing between you and God. The authority to preform ordinances has come into the world and should be freely given to all men who believe. The idea that it is then regulated by certain men in its use to preform saving ordinances is just another form of slavery. Having a government or a religion that tells you if you are married or divorced and who or how many people you can be married to is BS. It is not from God. Believing that you are limited to one man or woman as a marriage partner is also BS. Proof is you can have those truly charitable emotions for many people. Men and women alike. We may think women can’t but then that is part of the effects of the fall which can be overcome. All effects of the fall should be overcome as soon as you can do it. Charity and pure motivation sanctifies actions. Now if you don’t feel real unselfish charity for someone you have sexual relations with examine yourself and repent.
    We need to kick off all forms of external control over us, all of it. God and that which is inspired of Him is the one sure thing that never exercises control over you. You need to be truly self governing which is another way of saying, as LDSA wrote about, “be congruent to God” Be like Him. You are already in so many ways. Don’t waste you life and strength in the lie that you are sinful when the effects of sin can all be gone by believing that Christ has paid for it. If you believe Him and take Him at His word then you are clean. religions that tell you you need them to be cleaned are trying to enslave you.
    Get free of all things beneath the Celestial world.
    This may sound radical. You are radical. You are a GOD. You are just ina dense fog for you to learn or relearn who you are. You are God because you had an active role in your own creation. Your are God because you have the 100% control over creating your future even at this moment and from now for all eternity unless you go to the recycle bin with satan et al you will have power to be the deciding factor in your eternal existence. Couple that with a never ending existence and you have a self determining eternal being capable of obtaining all knowledge all power and all happiness.
    So, RAY FROM NOW ON IF SOMEONE ASKS IF YOU ARE A GOD, YOU SAY YES!!
    I think I will have to write a post on this core idea. It surely isn’t covered well enough here. But you are a GOD, not THE God but a GOD for sure. Start acting like it! Ok got it ?
    Okay go get ‘em tiger!

  22. Joana — thanks for stopping by — our conversations are different now with no FB, so it’s good to see you come by here.

    The rule I always thought was useful was the, “never say no” rule.

    I think those two rules go together. Your improv group is your family when you’re in front of people — if someone starts to go left, then [as family] you go left with them. I think that saying “no” is trying to make yourself the more important person in the scene.

    It makes me think about how God governs — by the will/consent of the governed. He lets us take the lead in the scene — to see where we end up. Life’s a lot like improv the more I think about it.

    These Escalades and Hummers… Why is that even considered attractive? ..Or comforting, or desirable? or safe ….It’s not! But it makes us feel that way. The structure. What is wrong with this picture? People around here like to build the biggest House that they can fit, and they have these tiny backyards that they pave with concrete anyway, and then they sit inside on their couches, then they go drive in their cars, then they eat lots of food, and that’s supposed to make them happy. They work for it, fight tooth and nail, sacrifice days. It’s just silly to me.. It’s like we’re choking ourselves. ..

    You know — you’d think a society wholly focused on the material would end their day with some sort of drunken banquet and lavish orgy — reveling in the physical sensations and material pleasures. But you don’t see that — instead, most end their day sitting on a couch with a passive viewing of a simulated reality on flickering screens [TV or computer]. Like what you said,

    So I stopped caring, and rather than sitting and getting all wrapped up in some character’s journey written by cheesey writers, I should energize my passions toward materializing my own. It’s about finding out who you are/ I think that as Christians, that is what God calls us to do. To realize our stories.

    I think people build the bigger houses, pave more grass with more concrete, buy comfier couches, demand more “convenient” food, drive bigger cars, etc. — is that they fear if they just leave things alone that they won’t happen properly. Jesus might have said, “Take no thought…“, but we’ve surely got to be more practical than that.

    But I think we are trying to do things on purpose that only happen properly when they are involuntary [or spontaneous]. And I think “spontaneous” is like what you were saying,

    You just have to be willing to go in the direction of the spirit’s urging, allow the Spirit to work on us, *like you said* opposed to, trying to make it work for us..

    I might also call it expediency — suitable to the circumstance, or unique conditions — allowing things to be fluid and adapt to “the differences of administration, as it will be pleasing unto the same Lord, according as the Lord will, suiting his mercies according to the conditions of the children of men,” which is one of our best gifts of the Spirit given to the church.

    Most people think they need “Acquiring.” Big concrete streets for their BIG cars, so they can buy more BIG plastic STUFF, but that is so far different from the world (the Earth), the dirt, that God gave us, that chaos that grows life.. Truly living is not about “Acquiring.” We can reduce, and be happier. Smell flowers… not cut ones from the supermarket, we don’t need perfect flowers, flowers growing in the dirt is fine. God gave us those.

    I’m convinced that we have all the technology we can stand. Mortality is a single play acted out on the same stage. With each passing generation, new actors come on stage and older actors depart — but the purpose [the whole show] never changes.

    We think we must “advance” — but the newest generation doesn’t know what came before — it’s all *new* to them. Just over the last year, we’ve been throwing away any toy that’s plastic [especially if it lights up and makes noise] — and you know what we’ve found? Our kids are just as happy with the wooden, heirloom-type toys we’ve replaced them with — than the plastic, battery-operated, prone-to-break-down ones.

    God did give us the dirt. My daughter and I talk about that on hot days when we go for walks. I’m usually barefoot — and we talk about how the concrete can be so hot, while the dirt and grass are so cool.

    I tell her that God gave humans barefeet because He covered the world in dirt and grass. But man thought he could do better than God and cover the world in concrete — so man had to invent shoes to walk on the concrete. You see — one thing we do begets the need to do another thing in response — so on and so forth — until,

    we reach the point we are at currently, where we spend most of our energy fighting to control what our attempts at control have caused.

    So yes — smell flowers — or “consider the lilies of the field.”

    OK — Joana — I’m going to address,

    Yeah, the facebookland, the wires and cables…You’re right, it’s what we have created to deal with the separation. ….But what else are we supposed do?

    in a separate comment — because this has gotten long enough — and it will only become longer.

    If you can’t tell — I enjoyed your comment. It’s good to see you here.

  23. dyc4557:

    This may sound radical. You are radical. You are a GOD.
    [...]
    I think I will have to write a post on this core idea. It surely isn’t covered well enough here. But you are a GOD, not THE God but a GOD for sure. Start acting like it! Ok got it ?

    The relationship between God and humans is the relationship between any one human and the realization of that person’s highest self.

    The only real difference between God and man is that man still sees a difference between God and man.

    I’d be interested in what you write about this idea.

  24. Justin your comments about being barefoot are so very true we are born to run very long distances. Not in shoes though and because we put on shoes running is the sport with the highest injury rate i highly recommend the book born to run i dont remember the authors name. Iv been working on a post on this very subject for the past 2 weeks. It will be up soon :)

  25. I think the discussion on social media and on a “facebookland” play right into talking about the left-brain, conscious focus-attention as being the thing that:

    * draws nice little lines around things to give definition and order,
    * uses invented intervals of measure to construct a “grid” to place on top of existence to achieving better focus on certain parts of it and to better describe it.
    * represents our human ability to focus on individual “here-and-now”s and “this-and-that”s,
    * provides us with that sensation of “self” as a skin-encapsulated center of will/activity in the world,
    *etc.

    Facebook [like the left-brain-mind] is a tool. That means that while it is entirely an illusion [meaning we just invented it] — it does have a purpose and can be used to do good work. So, in that sense, it is amoral — it’s not good or bad — it is neither in that regard.

    However, because it is only a tool — one must be careful to remember that it is only a part of things, something that has a very specific purpose, and should not be extended beyond that purpose [which is really what "evil" is -- something natural/normal extended beyond the context of its purpose]. We can wind up playing shadow puppets on the Wall — whether we’re talking about Facebook online or the left-brain in “real”-life.

    So see — you relate a scenario like keeping in touch with your brother — sharing words and pictures — and I can see the point of something like Facebook. From being on Facebook, I not only had connected with you — but we also found a member of our church who views things about the LDS church similar to my wife and I. Because conformity of belief is so valued in LDS congregations — we never would have learned that about each other just in meeting together on Sundays. All of those things are valuable.

    But the limitation of it all is that both Facebook and my left-brain-mind work with images — there’s the avatar of me as Robert Downey, but that’s not me, it’s just a persona [or mask] I wear to relate with other people online.

    But in “real” life — I have the same dynamic though. The persona I put on when going to church on Sunday is different than the persona I put on at home with my wife, at work with my colleagues, in public among strangers, etc. None of them are the whole me — all just different parts, different extensions of me — all are “me” presenting itself in a different context.

    I shouldn’t get wrapped up in being the “person” I am online — anymore than I should get wrapped up in being the “person” I am in my physical life. All of these are “selfs” that I am trying to deny — so I can just be — the naked “I am” that is without names, labels, distinctions, and designations. The “me” that is the sum-total of all the persons I go around saying that I am.

    Just like I should try and bridge the gap with online connections by making them into real connections — at the same time I should try and bridge the gap with [for example] who I am at church with who I am at home — making them all become each other — making them all real.

    Now — Joana — you asked me,

    But what else are we supposed do?

    and I’m not entirely sure I know. I thought about that question when I to you after I deleted my Facebook account.

    My thought was that even though something like Facebook is only a response to feelings of detachment in people — which it is completely unable to fix — that perhaps it must still be there for times such as you and your brother [for example].

    Meaning, that perhaps if the “persons” are incapable of connecting as they should [in both image and reality] b/c of living on different continents or circumstance or whatever — that perhaps the image [a face in a book] is better than nothing at all.
    ??
    That was my thought.

    It probably boils down to what you wrote about being, “willing to go in the direction of the spirit’s urging, allow the Spirit to work on us“, is it expedient — etc.

    Perhaps, so long as it is remembered that when we are dealing with images [online or "real"-life personas] that it is not the real thing, but only a substitution of the thing — and if we have that mind-set going into it and keep that idea in mind — then perhaps we can properly use the left-brain as the subordinate tool that it is — instead of letting it govern and define our world [which it was never meant to do].

    I don’t know — now I’m just rambling on…

  26. Justin said
    The only real difference between God and man is that man still sees a difference between God and man.

    My response is “Exactly”.
    And now how do we act upon that? What is the application for us, finding ourselves in this telestial world, what should we do? I think the most effective thing is to exercise 100% faith on Christ meaning know that He has paid for it and therefore we have nothing to fear and every reason to believe all things are possible. And with that belief firmly in place begin to examine any thing and everything which teaches us to doubt our hearts.
    If we allow the micro atmosphere of our hearts to not doubt our goodness and not doubt God’s ability and willingness to impart knowledge to us we will begin to see things we have never seen
    We are already connected to OUR God. He is already sending us info. It is us due to doubts about Christ that we allow ourselves to doubt who we are and what God is trying to tell us. We are told that we need to .(fill in the lie here)… to be good then we will be blessed. And it is not true. Faith and belief in the atonement of Christ is all we need to become a member of the one true church. It can happen in an instant and is between us and God. If we think it has to do with attending a certain group (LDS included) that idea will only prevent us from becoming part of Christ’s church. Goodness is in Christ and he will cleanse us of all without any help from the arm of men. At the appropriate time and place we will receive any and all ordinances we need. Our growth toward a full realization of our potential as Gods does not have to wait for any ordinance.

  27. dyc4557:

    And now how do we act upon that?

    By being creators. The physical world is the end result or product of all this underlying, collective mental activity.

    All images, symbols, myths, narratives, systems, religions, etc. are all the nuances, the shades of meaning, and the subtleties of idea. Humans use these varied systems of images to give form to the airy nothings of the right-brain.

    Like what God did. Whatever He imagines in His right-brain becomes reality in His left-brain [comes out from outer darkness and enters the inner sphere of light, or is created].

    The working of our right-brain/left-brain dynamic is entirely within the working of God’s left-brain only however. We cannot think up or imagine something that He hasn’t already brought into existence by thinking it up or imagining it.

    But we are able to take existing images [things that He has already imagined, created, and given purpose] and run them through our right-brain to imagine, create, and give purpose to them anew in our life.

    Meaning — I think we “act upon that” by starting to take our myths literally. “Literally” does not mean as historical, physical, or verifiable “fact” — rather it means to live the myth according to the literature. It’s about creating something physical by embodying [in yourself] what the myth says — to take the words and make them flesh.

    That’s our probation. A probation is a trial period — like a test. And a test is merely the presentation of various images of real things to see how you will respond to and work with them. So it can be decided if you can handle the actual thing in a real setting.

    So — for example — we have actual power [which is the voluntary cooperation of free agents -- where the greater serve the lesser] and we have the image of power [which is to be habitually obeyed -- the greater ruling over the lesser by "Divine Right"].

    The test is to see which one of those two will we bring to life/create by living according to it — actual/enduring images of real things, or the false/delusional images that Satan promotes. Upon death — Satan can then use our abuse of any of these false images of things as evidence to convict — to mark the grade on our mortality “test” as an “F”.

  28. Regarding Satan using our false images against us:

    Many people have not had experience in living with a liar. Satan is a liar and everything he says is a lie. The truth is not in him. For satan to witness against me he will have no choice but to take my real works the things which I created which are from and for truth or however you want to put it. Why is this so? Because though I might make some false stuff, I repent to damn fast. As soon as I become aware that anything I have done is out of harmony with truth I exercise faith in the atonement of Christ. And I have not been guilty but few minutes because in order to be guilty you must do it knowingly. My ignorant errors (can’t be sin if it is ignorant) do keep me from progressing but they do not condemn me. Light and knowledge is still streaming down and help is constantly being sent.
    But having lived with a actual liar I saw first hand how even the truly good intentioned and truly worthwhile creation I did were condemned as evil. I see that everything we do can be seen as evil or as good depending on what the observer want s to see.
    Don’t get me wrong there are good things and there are evil things. But either can be claimed as the other.
    For example. Jesus proclaimed himself the Son of God. one can say “how prideful” and another can say “how noble”. Niether denies the reality. They just claim He was 1 boastful and set Himself above others, that when He thus spoke all were not alike unto him. And if that were true it would be an evil thing which he did. Because even though Jesus is the begotten in the flesh of the Father He does not hold it over us nor proclaim Himself as more than us. If we were to witness and feel the spirit of his words we would say he was saying it to tell us we can trust him and that he is also saying we are his equal and he is mission makes him our servant. .So maybe better than say in praise “how noble” we would say “how humble”. But I think our left brain does not associate humility with Jesus saying “I am the Father’s only begotten of the flesh” as a humble statement of servant ship. The point being that just as people here could look at our actions and say Oh you are under Satan’s control So satan will say our creations which were in fact borne of goodness that they were with evil intent. *****IF WE BELIEVE HIM IN THE DAY he WILL HAVE POWER OVER US****** “That day” could be tomorrow. It might have been yesterday. It could be this very second. And something which is truly good in our hearts is being condemned by satan as evil.
    I suggest we don’t listen to him now or ever.
    If and when Father wants us to know something needs improvement it will come and a soft understanding mild feeling. It might makes us cry and cry for forgiveness. But if you feel you need to beg endlessly for forgiveness you aren’t listening to the voice of the good shepherd. You know if you were acting out of malice you might feel real sad for a long time. But again once you honestly turn to Jesus your pain is gone. Alma was three days in torment because he didn’t turn to Christ until after three days. As soon as he did he was delivered and could remember his pains no more.

  29. From here:

    Google and Facebook would have you believe that you’re a mirror, that there is one reflection that you have, this one idea of self. But in fact we’re more like diamonds, you can look at people from any angle and see something totally different.

    4chan founder Chris Poole discusses the problem with personal identity as conceived by Facebook and Google. Basically, that they expect us to maintain a single, consistent persona throughout life, which is not how we actually exist:

    With a video that follows.

    We all have different acts we put on [personas we wear] — I play one part at work, one part at home, one part among strangers, and one part at church. If we have online personas — then those are the exact same game. The Justin that speaks through a picture of Robert Downey as Sherlock Holmes is just another way for the actual me to express itself — just like the Justin at church and the Justin at work are two other ways for me to express itself.

    No one of those persons is the actual me — they are like the different colors of light extending beyond a prism — and the left-brain is a prism.

    It takes something that is a continuous happening [like the universe or me], and it breaks it up into measurable bits and divides it into separate persons, events, and things — like the white light broken into the colors.

    The gospel is about denying the reality of any one of these persons or selfs you go around saying that you are — and getting back to the white light on the other side of the prism.

  30. In the comments above with Brandnu that were about race, I said:

    Let’s all just take as granted that the current scriptural record we have in the Bible is a pretty incomplete picture concerning the affairs of God throughout the whole human race. The Bible is the book that’s come by way of the Jew — it is their record — so guess what, it deals primarily with Arabians.

    I think, until the scriptural record is more complete, with the prophetic records that will come forth from Western and Eastern Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia, Pacific Islands, etc. — we should stick to the scriptures I quoted above:

    “[God] hath made of one blood all nations of men”
    “There is neither Jew nor Greek…“

    I wonder what good distinctions like “black” people, “white” people, etc. really are. When we start saying D&C 107:40 pertains to Africans — don’t we cut the sword both ways and say it applies to Western Europeans too? And Chinese? Etc.

    Race is but another “persona” — another mask. The main component of racial distinction is skin color — which is composed largely of just two things:

    (1) Melanin, which is in response to oxidative stress of UV light
    (2) Blood, which is visible through the skin in the vascular system

    I found this, which says:

    Why do people differ in skin color?
    Synopsis: Pigmentation in humans reflects UV radiation and its effects on biology and health in recent human evolution.

    There you go — it’s actually not about Cain [who wasn't even the ancestor of black Africans anyway].

  31. Religion, Evolution, and the Ecstasy of Self-Transcendence (Video)

    This video talks about how humans are multi-tiered creatures: the “profane” or individual/self-interest component — the “sacred” or group/self-transcendent component.

    There was not only evolutionary selection for individuals within a group [competing self-interest] — there has also been selection pressure across groups [your "team" vs. my "team", etc.] — which explains why mitochondria reside inside of cells — and why spiritual self-transcendance and connectivity are common, even among people who wouldn’t even consider themselves “religious”.

    The feeling is what creates human groups or tribes — centered around a god, a country, an idea, etc. We are “homo duplex”, but we live currently as “homo monoplex”, living as separate bees without a hive [a "collective purpose"].


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