Comments on: Introducing a new bartering currency—the first coin: 1/2 Troy oz pure silver .999 fine http://ldsanarchy.wordpress.com/2008/11/21/introducing-a-new-bartering-currency%e2%80%94the-first-coin-12-troy-oz-pure-silver-999-fine/ Not your average Mormon blog Wed, 23 Dec 2009 03:21:31 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Establishing a Gift-Based Society « The Contrarian Mormon http://ldsanarchy.wordpress.com/2008/11/21/introducing-a-new-bartering-currency%e2%80%94the-first-coin-12-troy-oz-pure-silver-999-fine/#comment-3712 Establishing a Gift-Based Society « The Contrarian Mormon Thu, 08 Oct 2009 15:48:15 +0000 http://ldsanarchy.wordpress.com/?p=950#comment-3712 [...] in silver to a meeting, allow them to order some at the meeting (obviously I recommend using the Silver Bartering Currency, but any bullion silver will [...] [...] in silver to a meeting, allow them to order some at the meeting (obviously I recommend using the Silver Bartering Currency, but any bullion silver will [...]

]]> By: Mark Herpel http://ldsanarchy.wordpress.com/2008/11/21/introducing-a-new-bartering-currency%e2%80%94the-first-coin-12-troy-oz-pure-silver-999-fine/#comment-3580 Mark Herpel Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:46:30 +0000 http://ldsanarchy.wordpress.com/?p=950#comment-3580 I like the symbol and the quote. I think it's fantastic and we feature it every month in our magazine. His idea and the 1/2 size has caught on. Other groups are beginning to mint similar sized 'tokens' for barter. This movement is great and very inspiring. Here is a another of the most recent 'buy local' barter token. http://twitpic.com/eqfoy Mark I like the symbol and the quote. I think it’s fantastic and we feature it every month in our magazine. His idea and the 1/2 size has caught on. Other groups are beginning to mint similar sized ‘tokens’ for barter. This movement is great and very inspiring. Here is a another of the most recent ‘buy local’ barter token. http://twitpic.com/eqfoy

Mark

]]> By: Joe http://ldsanarchy.wordpress.com/2008/11/21/introducing-a-new-bartering-currency%e2%80%94the-first-coin-12-troy-oz-pure-silver-999-fine/#comment-3579 Joe Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:12:45 +0000 http://ldsanarchy.wordpress.com/?p=950#comment-3579 So whats up with that Agnostic Symbol on the coin? It would be nice to have some coins in the 1/2oz, but that symbol thing is just a little to weired for me. So whats up with that Agnostic Symbol on the coin?
It would be nice to have some coins in the 1/2oz, but that symbol thing is just a little to weired for me.

]]> By: Younger Dude http://ldsanarchy.wordpress.com/2008/11/21/introducing-a-new-bartering-currency%e2%80%94the-first-coin-12-troy-oz-pure-silver-999-fine/#comment-3249 Younger Dude Tue, 30 Jun 2009 05:04:22 +0000 http://ldsanarchy.wordpress.com/?p=950#comment-3249 JL said: "The main reason is that no one wants to feel duped that they believed someone or some idea that wasn’t true. It’s the embarrassment that can come that really makes people want to know the boundaries God has set forth in receiving revelation." Wow that is so true. So true on so many levels. There have been many times when I thought I was searching for the truth, only to realize I was trying to search for that which wouldn't make me look like an easily duped lemming. I didn't want to be embarrassed. The focus was still on what others would think about me, not on the truth. JL said:
“The main reason is that no one wants to feel duped that they believed someone or some idea that wasn’t true. It’s the embarrassment that can come that really makes people want to know the boundaries God has set forth in receiving revelation.”

Wow that is so true. So true on so many levels. There have been many times when I thought I was searching for the truth, only to realize I was trying to search for that which wouldn’t make me look like an easily duped lemming. I didn’t want to be embarrassed. The focus was still on what others would think about me, not on the truth.

]]> By: JL http://ldsanarchy.wordpress.com/2008/11/21/introducing-a-new-bartering-currency%e2%80%94the-first-coin-12-troy-oz-pure-silver-999-fine/#comment-3248 JL Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:06:10 +0000 http://ldsanarchy.wordpress.com/?p=950#comment-3248 LDS, I think it might be wise to have a separate section to speak on this subject. For some reason, it is always a hot topic. The main reason is that no one wants to feel duped that they believed someone or some idea that wasn't true. It's the embarrassment that can come that really makes people want to know the boundaries God has set forth in receiving revelation. Plus, I think the terms need to be defined, because revelation and prophecy are different, even though we use them interchangeably a lot in the church. LDS,
I think it might be wise to have a separate section to speak on this subject. For some reason, it is always a hot topic. The main reason is that no one wants to feel duped that they believed someone or some idea that wasn’t true. It’s the embarrassment that can come that really makes people want to know the boundaries God has set forth in receiving revelation. Plus, I think the terms need to be defined, because revelation and prophecy are different, even though we use them interchangeably a lot in the church.

]]> By: LDS Anarchist http://ldsanarchy.wordpress.com/2008/11/21/introducing-a-new-bartering-currency%e2%80%94the-first-coin-12-troy-oz-pure-silver-999-fine/#comment-3246 LDS Anarchist Sat, 27 Jun 2009 01:22:27 +0000 http://ldsanarchy.wordpress.com/?p=950#comment-3246 Ryan, I appreciate the advice and concern. Hmm... I'm not sure how to respond to this... Okay, let me tell you of a recent prophetic experience. One happened nearly two weeks ago. I had a dream in which there was a flood (I won't go into all of the details) and myself, my wife, my youngest child and a good, close friend of mine were contemplating how to escape with our lives. It seemed pretty hopeless, yet we made preparations to try to escape. In the dream I was tired and took a nap. After waking up (in the dream) I discovered the flood was now around us and my close friend, who is usually very positive and active, was now motionless, silent and depressed, as he contemplated his own mortality. I tried to cheer him up, but he was not responsive. It was strange seeing everyone with death on their minds. I then woke up. The dream was startling and my first thought was, "Was this inspired of the Holy Ghost?" I had the feeling that something ominous was coming. After awhile, I was finally able to go back to sleep. Then, I had a SECOND dream, again about impending death (I don't remember the second dream.) I woke up from the second dream and decided to check the news reports in the morning to see if there was anything about a flood or drowning. However, I found nothing. But the next day I discovered that the mother of another good, close friend of mine had passed away, about 24 hours after my double dreams. Cause of death? Her lungs filled up with fluid. In other words, <i>she drowned.</i> Now, I wonder, do I have stewardship over my friend's mother? I suppose this would make a good topic for an individual post, and I don't have time to do it justice in this comment, but I'll just give you some quick thoughts that you might consider. Could it be that the spirit of prophecy is not confined to a specific family tree? Could it be that since we are all children of God, and thus all brothers and sisters, that it is as proper for any man or woman to prophesy concerning any other man or woman as it to prophesy about their immediate blood family? Could it be that this is the reason why there have been men and women who could "prophesy all things"? Prophesying all things would undoubtedly mean prophesying beyond the immediate blood family. Could it be that the gifts of the Spirit were never meant to be narrowly confined according to our limited understanding of propriety, which is why they are for both members and non-members alike? (Oh the horror! Imagine a non-baptized woman prophesying or speaking in tongues! It <i>must</i> be from the devil!) ;) If prophecy must be spoken within narrow confines only for it to have the stamp of approval of God (stewardship), then surely none of the prophets sent by the Lord who were outside of the church leadership, for example, good ol' Lehi, must have been authorized servants. Again, I don't have time to really respond to this in the depth it needs, but you might want to consider that the gifts of the Spirit (including the gift to prophesy) do not have the same limitations or established protocols as the priesthood of God, and that this was designed by God this way for a very good reason. (I'm betting that this comment of mine is going to open up a whole new can of worms on this site...) Anyway, thanks for the visit, Ryan, and I'm glad you liked the coins. (Oh, one last thing: the circle-A stands for Anarchy is Order.) Ryan, I appreciate the advice and concern. Hmm… I’m not sure how to respond to this…

Okay, let me tell you of a recent prophetic experience. One happened nearly two weeks ago. I had a dream in which there was a flood (I won’t go into all of the details) and myself, my wife, my youngest child and a good, close friend of mine were contemplating how to escape with our lives. It seemed pretty hopeless, yet we made preparations to try to escape. In the dream I was tired and took a nap. After waking up (in the dream) I discovered the flood was now around us and my close friend, who is usually very positive and active, was now motionless, silent and depressed, as he contemplated his own mortality. I tried to cheer him up, but he was not responsive. It was strange seeing everyone with death on their minds. I then woke up.

The dream was startling and my first thought was, “Was this inspired of the Holy Ghost?” I had the feeling that something ominous was coming. After awhile, I was finally able to go back to sleep. Then, I had a SECOND dream, again about impending death (I don’t remember the second dream.) I woke up from the second dream and decided to check the news reports in the morning to see if there was anything about a flood or drowning. However, I found nothing.

But the next day I discovered that the mother of another good, close friend of mine had passed away, about 24 hours after my double dreams. Cause of death? Her lungs filled up with fluid. In other words, she drowned.

Now, I wonder, do I have stewardship over my friend’s mother?

I suppose this would make a good topic for an individual post, and I don’t have time to do it justice in this comment, but I’ll just give you some quick thoughts that you might consider. Could it be that the spirit of prophecy is not confined to a specific family tree? Could it be that since we are all children of God, and thus all brothers and sisters, that it is as proper for any man or woman to prophesy concerning any other man or woman as it to prophesy about their immediate blood family? Could it be that this is the reason why there have been men and women who could “prophesy all things”? Prophesying all things would undoubtedly mean prophesying beyond the immediate blood family. Could it be that the gifts of the Spirit were never meant to be narrowly confined according to our limited understanding of propriety, which is why they are for both members and non-members alike? (Oh the horror! Imagine a non-baptized woman prophesying or speaking in tongues! It must be from the devil!) ;)

If prophecy must be spoken within narrow confines only for it to have the stamp of approval of God (stewardship), then surely none of the prophets sent by the Lord who were outside of the church leadership, for example, good ol’ Lehi, must have been authorized servants. Again, I don’t have time to really respond to this in the depth it needs, but you might want to consider that the gifts of the Spirit (including the gift to prophesy) do not have the same limitations or established protocols as the priesthood of God, and that this was designed by God this way for a very good reason.

(I’m betting that this comment of mine is going to open up a whole new can of worms on this site…)

Anyway, thanks for the visit, Ryan, and I’m glad you liked the coins. (Oh, one last thing: the circle-A stands for Anarchy is Order.)

]]> By: Ryan http://ldsanarchy.wordpress.com/2008/11/21/introducing-a-new-bartering-currency%e2%80%94the-first-coin-12-troy-oz-pure-silver-999-fine/#comment-3245 Ryan Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:20:49 +0000 http://ldsanarchy.wordpress.com/?p=950#comment-3245 I like how the coins have turned out, they're very pretty. I'd be tempted to buy one just because I love the scripture you printed on it, "A just weight and balance are the LORD's." I don't like our current fiat currency and think we'd be much better off with a more honest banking system that's not reliant on debt. I don't feel comfortable with the circle-A symbol on the coin. The circle-A is an old cabalistic or occult symbol for rebellion and disorder and as the scripture goes, “Behold, mine house is a house of order, saith the Lord God, and not a house of confusion” (D&C 132:8) Which leads to my next gripe... (please bear with me!) It seems to me that you are treading the dangerous waters of making prophecies or revelations known to others which have been delivered to you by the Spirit. I believe in the gifts of prophecy and revelation strongly, but in my experience the Holy Ghost does not give us prophecy to deliver to other people unless they're in our stewardship. My Mom once had a revelation that someone was going to get run over very soon. She mistakingly thought it was someone in the neighborhood and told everybody to beware. She had my father bless the whole family before going out of town and sure enough, that same week my little brother was run over. I watched it happen - he was 2 at the time and I was 4 and the front wheel of a pickup truck went right over his back and shoulder. He was taken to the hospital and they couldn't find a scratch on him and released him the same day. He came back home and because I was a stupid kid at the time I asked him where he was because he missed the cool ambulances, which he loved to watch because of the lights/sirens. Anyway, the man who ran him over was inactive until that event, but became very active after that miracle. My mom later realized that it was naive of her to think somebody in the neighborhood would get run over because revelation to her could only be for her or her stewardship - her family! That's the natural order of things as taught by the Prophets. I have an uncomfortable feeling here that you're moving into the realm of giving prophecies to others. There are other spirits that can inspire and don't come from the Lord, it's hard to tell the difference at times - believe me I know. You may be genuine and I may be the fool, but I and my wife have a bad feeling about the advice given out here and wanted to let you know our feelings. I say things things in love and sincerety. Ryan L. I like how the coins have turned out, they’re very pretty. I’d be tempted to buy one just because I love the scripture you printed on it, “A just weight and balance are the LORD’s.” I don’t like our current fiat currency and think we’d be much better off with a more honest banking system that’s not reliant on debt.
I don’t feel comfortable with the circle-A symbol on the coin. The circle-A is an old cabalistic or occult symbol for rebellion and disorder and as the scripture goes, “Behold, mine house is a house of order, saith the Lord God, and not a house of confusion” (D&C 132:8) Which leads to my next gripe… (please bear with me!)
It seems to me that you are treading the dangerous waters of making prophecies or revelations known to others which have been delivered to you by the Spirit. I believe in the gifts of prophecy and revelation strongly, but in my experience the Holy Ghost does not give us prophecy to deliver to other people unless they’re in our stewardship. My Mom once had a revelation that someone was going to get run over very soon. She mistakingly thought it was someone in the neighborhood and told everybody to beware. She had my father bless the whole family before going out of town and sure enough, that same week my little brother was run over. I watched it happen – he was 2 at the time and I was 4 and the front wheel of a pickup truck went right over his back and shoulder. He was taken to the hospital and they couldn’t find a scratch on him and released him the same day. He came back home and because I was a stupid kid at the time I asked him where he was because he missed the cool ambulances, which he loved to watch because of the lights/sirens. Anyway, the man who ran him over was inactive until that event, but became very active after that miracle. My mom later realized that it was naive of her to think somebody in the neighborhood would get run over because revelation to her could only be for her or her stewardship – her family! That’s the natural order of things as taught by the Prophets. I have an uncomfortable feeling here that you’re moving into the realm of giving prophecies to others. There are other spirits that can inspire and don’t come from the Lord, it’s hard to tell the difference at times – believe me I know. You may be genuine and I may be the fool, but I and my wife have a bad feeling about the advice given out here and wanted to let you know our feelings. I say things things in love and sincerety. Ryan L.

]]> By: LDS Anarchist http://ldsanarchy.wordpress.com/2008/11/21/introducing-a-new-bartering-currency%e2%80%94the-first-coin-12-troy-oz-pure-silver-999-fine/#comment-3206 LDS Anarchist Tue, 09 Jun 2009 01:26:31 +0000 http://ldsanarchy.wordpress.com/?p=950#comment-3206 Mark, Wow, featured on a magazine! That's a first. You don't have my email address, so I will email you and then you can email me back. Thanks for the interest and visit. I'll check out your magazine now. Mark,

Wow, featured on a magazine! That’s a first. You don’t have my email address, so I will email you and then you can email me back. Thanks for the interest and visit. I’ll check out your magazine now.

]]> By: Mark Herpel http://ldsanarchy.wordpress.com/2008/11/21/introducing-a-new-bartering-currency%e2%80%94the-first-coin-12-troy-oz-pure-silver-999-fine/#comment-3205 Mark Herpel Mon, 08 Jun 2009 23:19:10 +0000 http://ldsanarchy.wordpress.com/?p=950#comment-3205 Very interesting post and information. We will feature you in our monthly magazine for community currency. There are several other groups working towards the same goal of alternative silver barter and community currency. Some see it as a 100% alternative for today's paper dollar, others see it as you do, money that will survive a paper currency collapse and should be used at some future point, still others see it filling in the cracks where paper money and credit can't reach. I will email you now with an offer. This is my community currency backed by silver, due out later this year: http://www.moneyart.biz/cc-news.html Mark Herpel editor@ccmag.net Skype IM 'digitalcurrency' http://twitter.com/dgcmagazine Very interesting post and information. We will feature you in our monthly magazine for community currency. There are several other groups working towards the same goal of alternative silver barter and community currency. Some see it as a 100% alternative for today’s paper dollar, others see it as you do, money that will survive a paper currency collapse and should be used at some future point, still others see it filling in the cracks where paper money and credit can’t reach. I will email you now with an offer.

This is my community currency backed by silver, due out later this year:
http://www.moneyart.biz/cc-news.html

Mark Herpel
editor@ccmag.net
Skype IM ‘digitalcurrency’
http://twitter.com/dgcmagazine

]]> By: Joseph http://ldsanarchy.wordpress.com/2008/11/21/introducing-a-new-bartering-currency%e2%80%94the-first-coin-12-troy-oz-pure-silver-999-fine/#comment-3054 Joseph Thu, 09 Apr 2009 15:16:47 +0000 http://ldsanarchy.wordpress.com/?p=950#comment-3054 Another comment. http://i1.democracynow.org/2009/4/9/north_carolina_town_prints_own_currency Another comment.
http://i1.democracynow.org/2009/4/9/north_carolina_town_prints_own_currency

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