Comments on: Abraham Lincoln

By: grego

grego — Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:31:05 +0000

Nice job. I can’t believe you took the time to give all those GA quotes, thanks!!

I liked the correlation with the war in heaven. One war was to kcik out usurpers from one’s own territory, the other war was to force people to remain in an abusive relationship they wanted out of.

I know you meant 13,000 instead of 13 here: “He imprisoned without trial some 13 northern citizens”.

I really like this quote and I believe it’s quite deep: “As long as LDS look upon him as a national hero, even a man of God, they will always be conditioned to look upon the State as a good thing.”

By: daryl

daryl — Thu, 22 Nov 2007 17:57:06 +0000

Thanks for this article – I am a huge fan of DiLorenzo, and have read some of his articles you cite. I haven’t read his books, but I refer people to them when I feel they might be interested in learning more about why I feel how I do. The more people who know the truth about his actions, the better. That he is so idolized is surely a sign of how far this society has fallen.

The funny thing is that when President Musharaff declared martial law in Pakistan recently, people derided him for using Lincoln as an example. But it’s really not too far off. Thankfully, he wouldn’t be able to even come close to Lincoln’s legacy without inciting a major world outcry.

By: dpc

dpc — Tue, 20 Nov 2007 23:07:38 +0000

Southerners dislike Lincoln, no doubt about that. I had a class in law school (in the South) on law and philosophy and I was surprised at the rancor that my Southern classmates felt for him and the his actions.

By: quantumsaint

quantumsaint — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:34:38 +0000

Excellent article. I will definitley have to read more about this when I actually have more than a 30 minutes in a day. I had read an article about 3 states wanting to secede from the union and I heard all sorts of nasty things said. I couldn’t believe it. Why not secede?

I think we have become overly patriotic. I have seen first hand a different form of government, so I have a great love for the freedom I have here. However, if enough people in a state – geographically speaking – no longer wish to be a part of the majority that refuses to allow them to live how they want to, then why try to force them? Who’s really running the show?

Just like you mentioned, God allowed Lucifer and the other 1/3 of those in God’s presence to leave according to their own will. How have we come to believe that we are more wise than God to deny others that which they choose to do? We LDS should be able to recognize the exercise of agency more than any other people on the planet, but we don’t. God does not force anyone to do anything. Obeying commandments is a choice. Lucifer has his hands in more things than just leading us away from religion. He blinds us to the agency of others and we become proud and arrogant in our beliefs and feel it is our duty – speaking of humans in general not LDS – to condemn or villify others. You and I know first hand what that is like merely being LDS. “Mainstream” Christianity villifies us all the time.

Even science is totally divided, but the masses don’t know it. Why not? Does truth disrupt order? Do we exist in a state of order? No. We are living in chaos. We only perceive order because we can go and stuff our fat faces with a bacon double cheeseburger and any time of the day. We can watch the same mind numbing tv show that slowly drains our creativity and abitlity to think critically at the same time each week and on the same channel. It’s utterly disgusting. I am truly beginning to hate the world. At the same time so many of us are completely lost in it’s kaleidascopic trance of fine dining, nice clothes, expensive cars, physically flawless celebrities and useless material trappings.

Sorry about the tangent. Thanks for the info.